Chocobo digging hit with a sledgehammer

[Zalius]

I don't give a shit about your chocobo digging.

Then get the fuck out of the thread, genius. I stopped reading after that sentence.

in case you hadn't noticed, you're the one who's being pushed out of the thread 8D

[Fhqwghads]

I don't give a shit about your chocobo digging.

Then get the fuck out of the thread, genius. I stopped reading after that sentence.

in case you hadn't noticed, you're the one who's being pushed out of the thread 8D

O rly? Look, Mr. "I don't give a shit about chocobo digging but I'm posting in a chocobo digging thread", this is an A/B conversation. C your way out.

[NynJa]

WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP

[Fhqwghads]

WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP

That's what I've been trying to get you to do for a few pages now, but you won't. What makes you think I'm going to shut up when I at least have a reason to be in the thread in the first place?

[Zalius]

WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP

That's what I've been trying to get you to do for a few pages now, but you won't. What makes you think I'm going to shut up when I at least have a reason to be in the thread in the first place?

youre a penis

[Fhqwghads]

youre a penis

Take your fantasies somewhere else, weirdo.

[Zalius]

youre a penis

Take your fantasies somewhere else, weirdo.

zing

[Lordwafik]

8D

From this day forward we are mortal enemies.

[Heian]

Soooo is this guy gonna get IP banned or what he retardation isn't really that funny anymore.

[Zalius]

8D

From this day forward we are mortal enemies.

i hated the face for a while, but its good to use when theres an annoying air around

But fuck you, go throw a boomerang or play with a kangaroo or somethin

[Lordwafik]

stfu or i'll get a dingo to eat your babies!

[Heian]

stfu or i'll get a dingo to eat your babies!

My mother was eaten by a dingo when she was a baby.

[Zalius]

stfu or i'll get a dingo to eat your babies!

jokes on you, i poisoned the babies

[Reynard]

so can you buy greens in urghan to dig with or do i have to import? or is my dude kidnapped....

sorry to shamelessly bump a question actually about digging in the postpatch world, but I felt it got lost in the angry galka derail. somepage says no greens in urghan. I just got one attendant at stables atm on Siren. is there a kidnapable greens salesman?

[Priran]

so can you buy greens in urghan to dig with or do i have to import? or is my dude kidnapped....

somepage says no greens in urghan.

chances are

[Craghack]

I've read BG for about a year now I guess and have never felt compelled to start an account until now. I thought perhaps I could give an appropriate and somewhat intellegent response about choc digging in light of the recent adjustment. I do have /a10 digging. I also have 93 fishing, a craft at 100, and 4 jobs at 75. I say that not to brag but to say that I feel I can give an adequate comparison between the different areas of this game by the account of personal experiance.

I will also say that my opinion on this matter changed once I was formulating this post. I had planned to defend those campaigning against the changes in digging until I realized what the numbers were.

To my knowledge I was the first NA /a10 digger on my server. I kept very detailed reports on the digging habits of my competitors. It took me 12,211 stacks of greens to hit /a10. That took a total of 481 hours.

That's 481 hours that could have been spent leveling 3 more jobs from 37-75 at the meager rate of 4k/hr. That's 481 hours in sky collecting gear. That's 481 hours of making consumables. Etc, etc, etc.

In those 481 hours leveling I made exactly 49,910,120 gil profit. That comes out to 103763 gil/hour. Bear in mind also that this was done a long time ago when prices were below what they are now (maybe 15 months ago? I can't remember). By todays standards there is a very good chance I would have made 200k/hr leveling digging. Granted, elemental ores were higher then, but on my way to /a10 I dug very few of them because I tried to avoid crowded zones to enable faster leveling.

I certainly could not make 200k/hr leveling fishing. I probably couldn't make 200k/hr crafting even with a level 100 craft if I expected to move all the merchandise in a resonable amount of time. Furthermore, after I hit /a10 I would estimate the gil/hour increased.

Now, of course, it seems high level diggers are being punished. There is no way to utilize the skill we have worked so hard to cultivate. I could be bitter, but digging has been very very good to me. And if SE wants to limit my digging to 3 hours a week, I will be more than glad to accomodate them.

In response to some other posts:

The effort it takes to level in my experiance goes like this:
1) fishing to 100 (and its not even close)
2a) /a10 digging
2b) leveling a durable craft
3) leveling a consumable craft
4) leveling a job to 75

The fishing nerf and digging nerf are similar in one way; they lessened the gap between profitability of a max level and a mid level fisher/digger. I can catch any money fish on my friends level 45 fisherman with lu rod, the difference between 45 and 93 is nothing unless you are going for ebisu fish.


No diggers don't lose gil like crafters can. However, there is an opportunity cost involved in digging. This not only includes the time spent on that particular dig, but also the time leveling the craft. So the arguments of 'its easy money and I'm glad its nerfed because its pure profit' are of course lacking at best. Most endgame players log on daily with a single purpose in mind--to progress their character. The idea that a 'failed' digging session not cost anything just doesn't hold water. It costs time. Like I said, in the time it took me to level digging I could have 3 more level 75 jobs......and the 9 stacks of kindred seals that come with it (average ks99 drops on last 50ish runs was about 9.5M each, so roughly 85M).


Yes there is a difference between fishing and digging when it comes to targeting materials. If I dig rolanberry I might get an Ori ore, or I might get a bunch of junk. If I dig deserts I might get darksteel and gold ore, or I might get a bunch of bonechips. In fishing if I go to SSG everytime I reel in a fish it will be a grimmonite, nebi, or bastore bream. There is no chance of getting a worthless tricolored carp (and no chance of junk items if you have apron or know how to determine whats on the hook).


Of course in the time it took me to type this out the thread has been completely derailed (wonder why it took me 15 months to open and account here?), but perhaps someone will realize what a spectacular run /a10 diggers have had and be appreciative of it rather than bitter.

[Fhqwghads]

You brought up a lot of good points, Craghack, and some of them myself or others have brought up before. Now that you've made a reasonable and logical post, I am sure that other people will descend on you and point out you have 1 post, so your views don't matter.



The one thing I'll say about your post is yeah, A10 diggers can take it stride I suppose. Those of us who never got a chance to get A10 aren't very happy over these changes, however, and I doubt people will hit A10 anytime soon, unless chocobo raising is some sort of miraculous fix.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

You brought up a lot of good points, Craghack, and some of them myself or others have brought up before. Now that you've made a reasonable and logical post, I am sure that other people will descend on you and point out you have 1 post, so your views don't matter.

No, he was sensible. Unlike you.

[Daahan]

stfu or i'll get a dingo to eat your babies!

i don't know why but i found this extremely fucking hilarious.

and senor Fhwgwadghs, rule of thumb: don't fuck with a forum moderators.

[Priran]

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?f ... =33;page=1

one even compared digging to goldsmithing

oh lordy