Sange

[Drinhkinn]

I would think so

No kidding?

I want some tests to see some hard evidence. If it doesn't stack, im not gonna get the merit as I already have the gloves.

I'm probably not gonna be able to play before enxt weekend anyway so hopefully someone tests it out by then.

[Miruka]

the nin merits are utter crap... im actually gonna merit ninja tool expertise fully cause after you have full merits in that its something like 35% activation rate (w/o koga tekko)... at least you can physically see your merits working for you lol. San ninjutsu seems like a waste of time and sange doesnt seem worth it since shuriken are expensive as fuck

I'm pretty sure level 3 is the cap for all the new Group 2 abilities. Otherwise we'd have NIN's running around with 2.5 minute Shuriken-barrage. Which, as you know, would be totally stupid since they are far too expensive to solely use with an timed ability that gives five hits worth of TP... ... ...

The San Ninjutsu don't particularly look all that interesting, but Sange seems like an ability you can push to abusive levels. Even the 350g Shuriken are D41, which shouldn't fare badly in a five-hit barrage. (And then there's the burst of TP.)

[ertyu]

how much do the gloves give you? % activation wise

edit: boourns... someone told me you could put 6 into one tning and for some reason I believed him =/ well if thats the case then i guess 3 ninja tool expertise 3 sange for me... I knew I would use my capped throwing one day!

[Lockecole]

the nin merits are utter crap... im actually gonna merit ninja tool expertise fully cause after you have full merits in that its something like 35% activation rate (w/o koga tekko)... at least you can physically see your merits working for you lol. San ninjutsu seems like a waste of time and sange doesnt seem worth it since shuriken are expensive as fuck

I'm pretty sure level 3 is the cap for all the new Group 2 abilities. Otherwise we'd have NIN's running around with 2.5 minute Shuriken-barrage. Which, as you know, would be totally stupid since they are far too expensive to solely use with an timed ability that gives five hits worth of TP... ... ...

The San Ninjutsu don't particularly look all that interesting, but Sange seems like an ability you can push to abusive levels. Even the 350g Shuriken are D41, which shouldn't fare badly in a five-hit barrage. (And then there's the burst of TP.)

::Watches the price of Bomb Cores go up when every NIN is throwing theirs trying to make a macro for Sange::

[Wizerd]

how much do the gloves give you? % activation wise

edit: boourns... someone told me you could put 6 into one tning and for some reason I believed him =/ well if thats the case then i guess 3 ninja tool expertise 3 sange for me... I knew I would use my capped throwing one day!

They seem to give me around 35-50% activation I think. That's based off my tools lasting approximately 1.5-2x longer. No hard numbers.

[ertyu]

wow nice i didnt know it was that much... now i need to hope they drop ;_; all that stacked would seem hot to me

[Drinhkinn]

Little late response, but yeah from my experience the average activation rate is around 40%.

And since that number is already pretty high, that's why I'm wondering if they are allowing it to stack. If it does, either the merit trait gives a very low % increase, or alot of it and gloves+merit will be like 70% rate, in wich i'll cream my pants.
If its too low, ill prolly get 1 of each San because Sange looks ok, but helluva not cost efficient, and swapping in/out the ungur boomerang when tanking causing tp reset, I rather not go there.

[Miruka]

::Watches the price of Bomb Cores go up when every NIN is throwing theirs trying to make a macro for Sange::

Yeah, trying to think of a way to set up my macros so I don't throw my precious range items on NIN or another job by accident, lol.

Thinking I can probably just have a line before Shuriken swap and /ra that goes /equip ammo (nothing).

[Excalin Garisk]

::Watches the price of Bomb Cores go up when every NIN is throwing theirs trying to make a macro for Sange::

Yeah, trying to think of a way to set up my macros so I don't throw my precious range items on NIN or another job by accident, lol.

Thinking I can probably just have a line before Shuriken swap and /ra that goes /equip ammo (nothing).

dont think it throws anything but the ninja stars when JA is used >.>

[Ksandra]

for those that tried a ninjitsu san spell how many points did you have in them?

From what it looks like from rdm merits and other ones, these spells/abilities aren't that hot unless you cap them. Would be interesting to see how much dmg a lvl 3 san spell does before deciding if they're crap.

[Russta]

the nin merits are utter crap... im actually gonna merit ninja tool expertise fully cause after you have full merits in that its something like 35% activation rate (w/o koga tekko)... at least you can physically see your merits working for you lol. San ninjutsu seems like a waste of time and sange doesnt seem worth it since shuriken are expensive as fuck

I agree. I think Sange is good but having to pay for any carry Shurikans at the expense of Ungar Boomerang/Bomb Core and then losing shadows for it is weak.

And elemental sans? I have my Jelly Ring thanks.

[Navia]

so what's the tp return for this move with full shadows? 26% ?
Too bad it doesnt give alittle more, would almost be like a baby meditate if it gave more tp return and would be worth giving up bomb core/ungur.

I think i could have alot of fun with this as /rng and it would help with not missing , adding sange at the end of a full tp slugshot->barrage->melee tp ->slugshot/jin->lose tp return from 2nd slugshot by swapping to shuriken -> finish with sange.

That would let you put out more damage in a fairly short amount of time.
Sange will be great for mpk'ing charmed people in dynamis
If you're gonna die, at least sange->mijin is a better way to go out.