Thief Damage increase Fact or Fiction?

[Quicklet]

Avatar accuracy is the least of a SMN's worries when their horribly gimped job is the target of SE's continual neglect.

Funniest thing I've heard all day. You should be thankful that SMN avatar hate / TPless hits haven't been nerfed like they should (and probably eventually will) be.

[aurik]

Avatar accuracy is the least of a SMN's worries when their horribly gimped job is the target of SE's continual neglect.

Funniest thing I've heard all day. You should be thankful that SMN avatar hate / TPless hits haven't been nerfed like they should (and probably eventually will) be.

psst, it's a satire of Flux

[Quicklet]

Is it? I don't even really pay attention to who posts what anymore.

[Lordwafik]

Is it? I don't even really pay attention to who posts what anymore.

Just follow the trail of vaginal acid dripping between fluxes posts.

[Eaglestrike]

I think the way it goes is...

Melee delay reduction caps at ~24-26%
And spell recast reduction caps at ~50%
So max you can rip off delay(not counting dual wield) is 25% total, about, and 50% for spells.

Maximum haste attainable strictly through gear is 25%. I believe melee delay reduction is something like 70% cap from what I think Wafik posted somewhere before. It's pointless to have more than 25% haste in gear as you'll see no benefit, but all other ways to get haste is not included in that 25%. Also, I think nin latent effect ring/earrings are exempt from this cap, but I don't have any way of testing it.

[Lordwafik]

<3 update

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/746...cordto2.th.jpg

[Lockecole]

Quick question about haste builds and such, since I couldn't find the previous thread where the cap and info and such was listed, and earlier in this thread people were listing their builds and such.

Anyways, I was told that the spell 'Haste' is 10%, and if I remember correctly, the cap on gear for haste was 25%. I was just wondering if the 10% from the spell was included in that or not, if that makes sense. If the spell did count towards the cap, you could have 15% from gear, and then 10% from the spell; and if it didn't count, then you could get 25% from gear, and 10% from the spell.

I was jut thinking about it recently is all, and I remember reading it as 25% cap from gear, which confused me a bit is all.
Sorry !

Haste spell is 15%. Stuff like Refueling/Haste Belt are 10%. Gear is 25% cap as far as magical recasts are concerned, the other half is 25% cap also, which involves enchantment items, bard songs, and Haste spell: for a total of 50% cap. Delay definately can be brought below 50%, but wether or not you can get reduced delay through equipment beyond 25%, I'm not sure. Nny tested somewhere on these forums.

[Raineer]

Delay definately can be brought below 50%

As seen here, might be OFN but I think it's a cool video. Yes they are cheating with red HP too. Towards the end you see it in assault lol, not a bad idea but needs a bard slot.

[FFXIFlux]

Avatar accuracy is the least of a SMN's worries when their horribly gimped job is the target of SE's continual neglect.

Funniest thing I've heard all day. You should be thankful that SMN avatar hate / TPless hits haven't been nerfed like they should (and probably eventually will) be.

psst, it's a satire of Flux

Apparantly not a very good one. I thought it was just typical Priran idiocy.

[Stellar]

Haste spell is 15%.

Actually it's 12%

[aurik]

Haste spell is 15%.

Actually it's 12%

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/index.php/Haste

[DrObvious]

Haste spell is 15%.

Actually it's 12%

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/index.php/Haste

I'm not sure how linking a wiki proves anything, common belief quoted by "experts" has been proven wrong before such as bio dot not being variable.

But yeah, it's 15% lol.

[aurik]

Haste spell is 15%.

Actually it's 12%

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/index.php/Haste

I'm not sure how linking a wiki proves anything, common belief quoted by "experts" has been proven wrong before such as bio dot not being variable.

But yeah, it's 15% lol.

It shows who has the burden of proof. Claiming something extraordinary that is contrary to popular belief requires at least some explanation.

[Stellar]

Go equip yourself with 12% Haste gear and cast Utsusemi: Ni

Your recast will be 39 seconds...

Go equip yourself with 15% Haste gear and cast Utsusemi: Ni

Your recast will be 37 seconds...

Cast Haste on yourself and remove all haste gear...

Your recast will be 39 seconds...

Am I missing something about magical haste effecting recasts differently than haste gear? Haste is very obviously 12%... Go test it.

oh and edit -
I realize a 39 second recast could also result from an 11% increase, but i've tested other gears with it to prove it is 12%. Now if for some odd reason if it increases attack speed 15%, but recasts only 12%, then I dunno what to tell ya...

[aurik]

What haste gear did you use to reach 12/15%?

[Stellar]

There's alot of different gears you can test it with

Use Haidate, Swift Belt, Fuma Sune Ate for 12%

Haidate, Speed Belt, Koga Tekko(Night) or Dusk +1 for 15%

Cheaper route

Haidate, Turban, Quick Belt, Fuma Sune Ate - 15%

[aurik]

IT does matter which gears you use to get haste. I'm replicating your experiment as we speak. I'm using BBelt + fuma.

[aurik]

Using mnk/nin, naked except for the gear mentioned

Black belt only: 39 sec recast ni
Black belt + fuma kyahan: 38 sec recast ni
Nothing + Haste: 38 sec recast ni

[Stellar]

Yeah, you're right.. Not sure where I got my numbers before, but I obviously don't understand haste on a 45 second timer like I thought i did... I wonder if they changed the formula since a long time ago or something, no way I could have pulled this out of my head, lol..

[Nodachi]

Maybe it was Victory March you were thinking is 12%? Pretty sure it is anyway :/