Thief Damage increase Fact or Fiction?

[Soma]

Max'ing out Assassin's Charge is my priority as of now.

I'm not sure how effective Aura Steal is. I'm curious as to how effective Aura Steal is on HNMs. If it can dispel Cerberus' stoneskin or Proto-Ultima/Hydra's physical/magic shield, then I'm unlocking this first. But the possibility of it dispelling those moves seem highly unlikely.

I'll probably upgrade Feint as well just for the sake of Dynamis Lord.

I haven't had much time to merit lately, so I'm well behind. But I'm still quite excited :wink:

[Kuponut]

what new merits you guys go for? im thinking 3 in assassins charge, 1 in the steal, cant decide other 2

meh, then again thats after i finish my useless smn merits for pure aesthetics! (heavenly strike on fafnir and hydra is fun to watch, i wanna try on bahamut)

Assassin's charge looks great, the other three for me really depend on how effective they are, how long Feint lasts and such.

I sold all of my Thiefly sellables awhile ago, to help my clothcraft level, I will have to buy them back now to merit!

[Soma]

Feint on a 6min timer would be great for an HNM like Hydra

You don't really need Feint for Hydra. Hydra has a crappy evasion to begin with. No one had trouble hitting in our linkshell and most of them weren't using sushi.

[Lockecole]

Max'ing out Assassin's Charge is my priority as of now.

I'm not sure how effective Aura Steal is. I'm curious as to how effective Aura Steal is on HNMs. If it can dispel Cerberus' stoneskin or Proto-Ultima/Hydra's physical/magic shield, then I'm unlocking this first. But the possibility of it dispelling those moves seem highly unlikely.

I'll probably upgrade Feint as well just for the sake of Dynamis Lord.

I haven't had much time to merit lately, so I'm well behind. But I'm still quite excited :wink:

Well Cerb's Stoneskin/Blaze Spikes is dispellable, Proto-Ultima/Hydra are just forms they take, not really a buff so much. I don't see you succeeding on a steal from Cerberus though.

[Lordwafik]

Lol, that actually makes me think a little. I've used sole sushi all the time on NIN.

Senjuirikio/Fudo, Walahra Turban, Pln. Khazagand, Koga Tekko / Dusk Gloves, Byakko's Haidate, Fuma Sune-Ate, Swift Belt, Forager's Mantle, Flame Ringx2 (picked sattva for PLD), Brutal Earring, Ethereal Earring, Bomb Core, Peacock Charm. Also have 8 katana upgrades.

Switch to Meat? It's been so long that I don't know what other good foods there are, besides Sis Kebahi (sp), which seems like it's for WS whores. I still do fine for WS, since I have all the ws gear I can really get, besides HQ shura kabuto and stuff like that.

Edit: Whoops, meant to say Meat.

You have some uneccesary(sp?) STR while TP'ing, those flames i'd reccomend swapping to snipers if you're going to start using meat. Otherwise your gear seems fine, and gj on them merits.

Upkeep cost of meat is more expensive than sushi, but the results are very rewarding.

You'll also need to get used to hitting less, you wont have 99% acc like before, so you'll need a life belt and optical hat etc on the times where a higher evasive mob is pulled.

Try it out for a while, if you dont like it, you can always go back.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Max'ing out Assassin's Charge is my priority as of now.

I'm not sure how effective Aura Steal is. I'm curious as to how effective Aura Steal is on HNMs. If it can dispel Cerberus' stoneskin or Proto-Ultima/Hydra's physical/magic shield, then I'm unlocking this first. But the possibility of it dispelling those moves seem highly unlikely.

I'll probably upgrade Feint as well just for the sake of Dynamis Lord.

I haven't had much time to merit lately, so I'm well behind. But I'm still quite excited :wink:

Well Cerb's Stoneskin/Blaze Spikes is dispellable, Proto-Ultima/Hydra are just forms they take, not really a buff so much. I don't see you succeeding on a steal from Cerberus though.

Since when could you dispel cerb's stoneskin...

[Karny]

Not sure if this is stated else where, but anyways.

Warriors charge is usable on WS, atleast on some reports.

But what I heard from Assassin's Charge, it dosen't help WS.

Anyone who could answer if it's usable on WS?

[Ramuss]

It is i believe.

[Lockecole]

Max'ing out Assassin's Charge is my priority as of now.

I'm not sure how effective Aura Steal is. I'm curious as to how effective Aura Steal is on HNMs. If it can dispel Cerberus' stoneskin or Proto-Ultima/Hydra's physical/magic shield, then I'm unlocking this first. But the possibility of it dispelling those moves seem highly unlikely.

I'll probably upgrade Feint as well just for the sake of Dynamis Lord.

I haven't had much time to merit lately, so I'm well behind. But I'm still quite excited :wink:

Well Cerb's Stoneskin/Blaze Spikes is dispellable, Proto-Ultima/Hydra are just forms they take, not really a buff so much. I don't see you succeeding on a steal from Cerberus though.

Since when could you dispel cerb's stoneskin...

Well, I know his Blaze Spikes can be dispelled, I just kinda bunched Stoneskin/Blaze Spikes together cause its the same move.

[Lordwafik]

Max'ing out Assassin's Charge is my priority as of now.

I'm not sure how effective Aura Steal is. I'm curious as to how effective Aura Steal is on HNMs. If it can dispel Cerberus' stoneskin or Proto-Ultima/Hydra's physical/magic shield, then I'm unlocking this first. But the possibility of it dispelling those moves seem highly unlikely.

I'll probably upgrade Feint as well just for the sake of Dynamis Lord.

I haven't had much time to merit lately, so I'm well behind. But I'm still quite excited :wink:

Well Cerb's Stoneskin/Blaze Spikes is dispellable, Proto-Ultima/Hydra are just forms they take, not really a buff so much. I don't see you succeeding on a steal from Cerberus though.

Since when could you dispel cerb's stoneskin...

Well, I know his Blaze Spikes can be dispelled, I just kinda bunched Stoneskin/Blaze Spikes together cause its the same move.

It's just like when Sea pots use the shitty Ice spikes + Def boost move, or when mamools use the Accuracy+Evasion move, 1 is dispellable, 1 isnt no matter how many times you dispel.

That's what im hoping aura steal removes.


And WTF people stop saying AC doesnt stack with triple attack, it's stupid posts like that which causes rumours.

[maddog]

anyone try magnet knife yet? seems to proc often (about 1/fight in mamool staging point). it would seem pretty nice for ballista =P

also once heard gravity lowers evasion, im no rdm so i have no idea about that

[Karny]

And WTF people stop saying AC doesnt stack with triple attack, it's stupid posts like that which causes rumours.

Not trying to be wise ass, but you mean WS?

And I didn't say anything, I was just told it didn't work with WS... was just trying to cut the wings of the rumours once and for all. Atleast for few people who read this...

[Lordwafik]

And WTF people stop saying AC doesnt stack with triple attack, it's stupid posts like that which causes rumours.

Not trying to be wise ass, but you mean WS?

And I didn't say anything, I was just told it didn't work with WS... was just trying to cut the wings of the rumours once and for all. Atleast for few people who read this...

Yah I meant WS.

It's really annoying that one person on KI said it doesnt stack, now a ton of people keep asking if it stacks, both in PM's and /t in game. A stupid rumour who started from someone who doesnt understand how TP gain works.

Kind of like the rumour that "THF have weakened" because a thf on ki did his "tests" using dancing edge on bunnies, and couldnt do more than 200 dmg when he used to previously, stating THF is weakened, and not knowing that his first hit killed off the frigging rabbit.

[Ichthyos]

also once heard gravity lowers evasion, im no rdm so i have no idea about that

it does.

[Eaglestrike]

And WTF people stop saying AC doesnt stack with triple attack, it's stupid posts like that which causes rumours.

Not trying to be wise ass, but you mean WS?

And I didn't say anything, I was just told it didn't work with WS... was just trying to cut the wings of the rumours once and for all. Atleast for few people who read this...

Yah I meant WS.

It's really annoying that one person on KI said it doesnt stack, now a ton of people keep asking if it stacks, both in PM's and /t in game. A stupid rumour who started from someone who doesnt understand how TP gain works.

Kind of like the rumour that "THF have weakened" because a thf on ki did his "tests" using dancing edge on bunnies, and couldnt do more than 200 dmg when he used to previously, stating THF is weakened, and not knowing that his first hit killed off the frigging rabbit.

Hey let them think THF is weak still. That means we won't get nerfed since so few will play the job. Kinda like SMN isn't getting nerfed becuse it hasn't become a bandwagon job despite its power at almost all HNM's. they just start to melee in exp...

[huckster]

Since there are some uber THFs reading this thread - what meat food do you use?

Couerl Sub? Sis Kabobi? Hedgehog Pie?

And there's a nice info on Aura Steal on Alla forums.

[Secksi]

1 point in feint so far, only HNM I've fought since then was hydra.

It lasts maybe 20? seconds, I never timed it. Seems less but I could be wrong.

Went outside to play with a DC spider(Bhaf) with a level 69 whm friend who has about 180 staff skill(I believe). Feint took it from high eva to low eva for him.

Shitty shitty testing I know, but the eva down seems to be quite good, however the duration is quite short. Like it was said earlier, one point for the extremely quick fights, that's about it.

<3 Hedgehog Pie.

[Soma]

Since there are some uber THFs reading this thread - what meat food do you use?

Couerl Sub? Sis Kabobi? Hedgehog Pie? Smile

In merit PTs, Red Curry if there is a BRD present. Without a BRD, it's a complete waste. I don't even merit without a BRD since I can hardly contribute without the 150 atk provided by Red Curry.

[inafume]

I can only go by anecdotes since I don't use a parser. With meat, DOT is definitely increased. The past two days I've xp'ed on Abraxas twice, a little soloing on Lesser Colibri, and did Dynamis-Sandy.

I alternated meat and sushi on Abraxas, and with meat my single hits averaged somewhere between 40-70 with occasional criticals over 100 (which never happened before on XP monsters). WS damage *seemed* to be the same as before but I'm just going by memory (Dia 2 was being tossed, very seldom an acid proc'ed). With sushi DOT and WS damage was the same as pre-patch, maybe a little higher DOT but nothing to sneeze over.

Colibri was the same (though no food). Other than an increase in DOT, WS damage didn't seem to change.

Dynamis was different. With meat, DOT was higher, and WS damage was higher than previous.

So just judging from my few (unparsed) experiences, DOT is increased, it levels out the playing field a little so THF can compete with other jobs. But it won't make THF jump to the top of the invite list.

[Keido]

I still use sushi and love the new abilities! 1744 SB on Abraxas. I only have 1 level of Assassin's charge but its only going to get better. Perhaps now thief will get some respect (ok I can hope to be more than a TH whore). Here is my setup.

TP gain:
Head: Walahra Turban
Neck: Spike Necklace +1
Body: Homam Corazza
Legs: Assassin's Culotte
Hands: Assassin's Armlets
Feet: Assassin's Poulaines
L. Ring: Sniper Ring
R. Ring: Sniper Ring
Belt: Life Belt
Back: Amemet Mantle +1
Range: Comet Tail
Main Hand: Blau Dolch
Second Hand: Thief's Knife

Weapon Skill:
Head: Hecatomb Cap
Neck: Thunder Gorget
Body: Dragon Harness
Legs: Dusk Trousers (LOL Stupid Nidhogg only drops M and E body for my LS)
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings
L. Ring: Adroit Ring
R. Ring: Rajas Ring
Belt: Warwolf belt
Back: Comanders Cape
Range: Comet Tail
Main Hand: Blau Dolch
Second Hand: Thief's Knife

Merits:
4 Dex merits
4 Hp merits
8 Dagger merits
4 Evasion merits
5 Triple Attack merits
1 Assassins Charge merit
4 Critical Hit merits
1 Enemy Critical Down merit

I am planning on putting in 4 more Hp merits 1 more Dex merit 2 more Assassins charge merit 2 Feint merits and 1 Aura Steal merit.

Any hints and tips would be welcomed. So far I do not have a problem dealing out pretty good damage. I do swap in my Daylight dagger for the THF knife during the day.