How many people quitting?

[Ryany]

I will say that even though some of the new job specific merits may be a letdown, the black mage tier2 ancent spells do look very useful. I was testing out burst2 and probably hitting for 300ish more than what a thunder4 would hit for on a non magic burst. The spell cost was a lot more cost efficient than a thundaga3 and probably roughly comparable with thunder4 in terms of mana efficiency. Cast time seemed to be comparable to the tier4 nukes and not the tier1 ancient magic.

Has anyone tested the new NM magic resistance thing? Is resistance built by number of nukes or by damage done? If it is by number of nukes, tier2 ancient seplls will be very useful at getting the most out of black mages before the resistance goes up.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

You can introduce more endgame bling but shells like these won't stop camping kings. They're too into the drama and the "thrill of the hunt."

they'll stop if the same crap drops in KS99, or Tiamat or Vrtra or Ouryu or Bahamut's Zaghnal had 80 DMG and made every player without a Ridill quit sitting in DA and level DRK.

Ridill is better on DRK than on WAR.
LOL DERAIL ACCOMPLISHED

[Raineer]

don't forget about that little problem with Ulli they failed to fix.

Ironically they made it easier for gilsellers to claim since they are typically the ones who couldn't care less about flying across the room to claim. "Legit" players might have qualms about being so obvious therefore making it harder for them to claim, bots or not.

[layoneil]

Has anyone tested the new NM magic resistance thing? Is resistance built by number of nukes or by damage done? If it is by number of nukes, tier2 ancient seplls will be very useful at getting the most out of black mages before the resistance goes up.

most eyeball tests just shows things being more random than usual. it's probably not really going to be seen until someone tries to manaburn Ouryu or take on Bahamut v2 again.

[PussPuss]

Play an MMO soley for items, prepare to hate it eventually. Sounds sappy and stupid, but you start playing an MMO because it's fun, you keep playing because of the people. If you made no friends in the game or you don't have fun with them anymore and expect SE to keep pumping out new items to keep your interest, just keep a tissue box handy for all the crying you're gunna do.

[Janice]

This update has closed the deal for me. I loved ToAU for the last 3 months. It was the best time I have ever had, and a large part of that good feeling was the rational that maybe SE had finally woken up and we would see some dramatic improvements for high lvls. But the truth is ITS THE SAME OLD SHIT FROM SE YET AGAIN.

If you like the same old shit, good for you. Then you'll enjoy this game for years to come.
If you like to complain about the same old shit, good for you. You will enjoy plenty of stuff to complain about while still playing for years to come.
But if you are fed up with the same old shit, well hopefully you can break free from the game. If you can, good for you.

But after I see this update, I invision a future 2 years from now where people are still camping 3 kings, still doing dynamis (normal, not CoP), limbus dying out for a lot of people since they won't be adding anything new. Tons of new NM's that drop gear that is designed to eat up inventory space while only being good on darksday, fullmoon, rainy weather.

I'll come back in 2 years just to see how close I was.

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

Bullshit, if you count just the end game linkshells on the Cerberus servers (YF, IonStorm, Dynasty, WW, Cato, LoveNeko, Highpower, Nyanchi) that's at least 400-450 people, and that's probably undershooting it. The end game community isn't a small block. It's divided for sure, but a good part of the level 75s move into this group at one point or another during thier time in FFXI. The simple addition of tier 2 abjurations would be enough progression to content people for another fucking year and a half even if there were no other item additions.

Yet we get Hydra armor. I don't even see why they bothered to add it unless they're getting sadistic pleasure out of watching end game bitch. The mere addition of an upgrade to gavial (an armor which is NEVER used) shows their utter disconnect from what is useful in their own damn game.

SE can't help it if the people who play almost 24/7 blow through the content faster than they can deliver it. What happens when people get their tier 2 abjurations? Wouldn't they start bitching how they want tier 3 abjurations?

Established linkshells on Asura, and I'm sure every other server, are STILL busy getting their members 2nd and 3rd jobs abjurations while the less experienced shells are fighting for table scraps.

You can introduce more endgame bling but shells like these won't stop camping kings. They're too into the drama and the "thrill of the hunt."

The more you post, the more it's obvious you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

First of all, we're complaining about abj. because, get this, it's been 3 years since they've added those set. It's more than long overdue for a tier 2 abj. With the introduction of tier 2 abj, maybe these dominant LS would actually move on to better things, while allowing those "less experienced shells fighting for table scraps" to move on up? Brilliant idea, isn't it? Everyone wins.

As for why LS are still fighitng kings for their 2nd and 3rd job: SE's horrible itemization and loot destribution. Having the majority of the best items in the game on one mob is a flaw. While Jorm, Vrtra (and Hydra in the future) sit unclaimed for days because their loot pool is a joke, you have 200 people in DA camping the same mobs for the last 3 years beacuse said mob drops some of the best item in game. If they'd just spread out the king sets to Vrtra, Jorm, Tia, and Hydra, we'd have less LS domination, and overall speed up the process of pimping out LS, giving ways to less experienced ls to move up.

But hey, maybe I should just quit the game, and all these game flaws would just go away for delusional people like you, right?

[Septimus]

Let us imagine, if you would, the following scenario. Suppose there is a new restaurant in town. Now this restaurant was opened by an owner who has made several other very successful restaurants in the area, so people have high expectations to begin with. Now, said restaurant have a several excellent chefs that make remarkable appetizers, entrees, and desserts.

So when you go to said restaurant, you look through the menu filled with appealing pictures and descriptions. But the catch is the wait staff is terrible- they ignore customers, get the orders mixed up or completely wrong, take long smoke breaks in the alley before they place your order with the chefs. So you have a conundrum, the food is exquisite but the service is terrible. So your options are that you can just put up with the sub par service, you could try to complain to get something done about the service, or you could just not go there even though you thoroughly enjoy the food.

It is amazing the number of masochists who play this game. There seem to be two major categories- the Maxx crowd who enjoy bad content with a hearty "thank you sir, may I have another", and the Fluxx crew who despise the game and want to quit but do not. Personally, I belong to a third group- the people who like the game, but can name hundreds of ways the game could be made better and are not shy about it.

[Vedder]

First of all, we're complaining about abj. because, get this, it's been 3 years since they've added those set. It's more than long overdue for a tier 2 abj. With the introduction of tier 2 abj, maybe these dominant LS would actually move on to better things, while allowing those "less experienced shells fighting for table scraps" to move on up? Brilliant idea, isn't it? Everyone wins.

As simple as it sounds... I believe this is the winner.

Loot needs to be spread or new mobs need to drop better loot. Just like on a highway, a pipe, a train station... it's best to avoid bottlenecks. In FFXI it appears the bottlenecks are the 3 Kings.

[Garret]

It is amazing the number of masochists who play this game. There seem to be two major categories- the Maxx crowd who enjoy bad content with a hearty "thank you sir, may I have another", and the Fluxx crew who despise the game and want to quit but do not. Personally, I belong to a third group- the people who like the game, but can name hundreds of ways the game could be made better and are not shy about it.

Win.

SE does a lot of things worth complaining about, but FFXI is still a fun game because I can sit and do one activity or another with 20-60 of my in-game friends. Entire sections of the content could use improving in a million different ways but there are enough events I find enjoying to keep me playing while I hope they fix the areas I don't enjoy for one reason or another.

It'd be great if I could get that M. Body I've been wanting for years off of Bahamut 2, or if Vrtra dropped E. Body for our War, or even if Jorm dropped a multi-attack staff that could do double, maybe even triple, digit damage but they don't, and probably never will. It's even possible some day they may release actual good new gear from whatever the end area of ToA is, can always hope. Until then I'll stick with the events, and people, that do make this game fun.

[Norelco]

Sure, all of this can be done if SE simply ignores the fact that the majority of their player base doesn't care about Kings/isn't there yet.

I do a /sea every evening to see how many people are online. While DA can get up to 200 people packed in there easily on a daily basis, I can't ignore the fact that there are usually 3300+ other people happily doing something else.

Everyone in FFXI pays the same $12.99/mo base rate regardless of how much or how little they play, and regardless of what you choose to do while you're in game. The game doesn't revolve around you, or me, or anyone in particular.

SE said it themselves. They're going to take care of fixing the more current material in the game, and if they have time, they'll go back to the old material and tweak it if they feel it's necessary. With that said, you bet your ass their first priority is making those 3300 other players content.

Edit: And maybe I am delusional, but I'm having fun in this game. I feel sorry for cranky bitches like you who can't find something better to do.

[Mifaco]

Tier II abjurations would end up just like AF2+1. Here, I can predict what it will look like 2 years down the road when Square introduces it.

Kriegsherr's Cuirass

Effects for Kriegsherr's Cuirass:

* HP +63
* Strength -12
* Dexterity -12
* Vitality +22
* Charisma +22
* Defense 67
Abjuration dropped from: Hydra

[Raineer]

Tier II abjurations would end up just like AF2+1. Here, I can predict what it will look like 2 years down the road when Square introduces it.

Kriegsherr's Cuirass

Effects for Kriegsherr's Cuirass:

* HP +63
* Strength -12
* Dexterity -12
* Vitality +22
* Charisma +22
* Defense 67
Abjuration dropped from: Hydra

You forgot Blue Box.

[Manako]

It is really depressing that we are pretty much stuck fighting the same mobs to get our abjurations etc, nor (imo) does it make much sense. Harder things (like the wyrms) should drop better items, and what logical reason is there for them not to?

Look at erase or Raise III, at first it only dropped in one or two locations and now it is commonplace. Making even the current abjurations drop off these mobs would be a million times better, let alone better stuff. Just gotta wait for the Zam people to get to this level so they can start all those threads "we need easier/more abj locations" like they did whining about Raise III costing too much.

[AriaEminence]

I quit the game last week (4th time).

It's depressing what this game comes down to really. Camping 3 kings every single day for a possibility of 9 hours altogether is no "game", it's work to me. Then you fight Tiamat for a few hours, maybe loljorm or lolvrtra if you feel like spicing things up. You can also spend an hour waiting to gather for a 3 hours dynamis in which none of your AF2 will drop in anyways, and besides even if it did the level 73 BLM that just joined will win it. Oh I forgot, you can do sky too... wait, you can't. There's sea... wait again.

I think honestly that this game is approaching the end of its lifespan. I won't dog people that still play, because even though I despise the game it's the people that made me always come back. I just don't understand how some people still find enjoyment in a game after such a depressing patch as this.

I'm aware I'm still whoring up the FFXI forums, I can't get away from reading the threads to save my life :\

[FFXIFlux]

It is amazing the number of masochists who play this game. There seem to be two major categories- the Maxx crowd who enjoy bad content with a hearty "thank you sir, may I have another", and the Fluxx crew who love the game, but are bored since nothing has been added for 9+ months. Personally, I belong to a third group- the people who hate the game because I can name hundreds of ways the game could be made better and are not shy about it.

Fixed.

[BRP]

Personally, I belong to a third group- the people who like the game, but can name hundreds of ways the game could be made better and are not shy about it.

Can I be that group too? Can I? Can I?!

Anyway, this update isn't too bad. I don't know, I think so differently than people who are willing to camp hours and hours for kings. To me doing a quest with no reward, but makes laugh and learn is worth it.

Anyway, when I try to think like people who are lootwhores or see any progresson in this game as armor... no offense... I do see how this is a flawed update. However, I say, progression armor is probably not the answer. It would have been if SE changed everything in the game so far, but progression armor would simply make crafting obsolete. HOWEVER! Tier 1.5 armor isn't a bad idea. I'm mean DRG/SAM is a really small range. The stats on Hydra armor should have been changed Gavial armor, just like they changed Dagger damage. From there, they should make Hydra armor with the same stats, but with stuff like Store TP+1-2 on each piece, Burn: Regen(helps you kill Cerberus?!) on each piece, Latent: STR+10-18 on each piece(Latent is active at 0 TP), Jump TP Bonus on like hands or feet, and Enhance Zanshin on head or legs. That is a really great set, but it doesn't completely replace anything DRG or SAM wear, it simply gives them more options and a very good WS set up. Tournament Lance gives Store TP+3, so now DRG can good return on their WSes with a Store TP set up or also a Jump TP Bonus set up, SAM can make a Zanshin set up(hey, some guy said he wanted it once). Well that was a hell of a paragraph.

But really, its easy to see that SE obviously has no real manager. I mean... think about it... even within expansions, could the guy behind Limbus really be behind CoP Dynamis? Or the guy behind Walahra Turban be behind Amood and Hydra Mail? It seems SE needs a smart person who knows how the game works(like, has played it, in a real server) and will listen to smart people. So the way I see, SE isn't a single team, but a mess of a team with a handful of smart people and a handful I would kill personally.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I quit the game last week (4th time).

It's depressing what this game comes down to really. Camping 3 kings every single day for a possibility of 9 hours altogether is no "game", it's work to me. Then you fight Tiamat for a few hours, maybe loljorm or lolvrtra if you feel like spicing things up. You can also spend an hour waiting to gather for a 3 hours dynamis in which none of your AF2 will drop in anyways, and besides even if it did the level 73 BLM that just joined will win it. Oh I forgot, you can do sky too... wait, you can't. There's sea... wait again.

Theres a ton of content you could have done instead. But no, you wanted to get ridills, ebodies, etc. If that's what you want you're asking for monotony. This game has a rediculous amount of breadth, if I get sick of one thing I can always do another, maybe go back to the 1st one if I feel like it.

[divisortheory]

In a few days every LS is gonna be sitting in DA again.

this is what we mean when we say you are setting your expectations too high. If the only thread you're holding on by is the one waiting to see when they're going to make alternatives to Fafnir and King Behemoth, quit the game now, because you will be disappointed every single update from now until the end of time. Just quit the game, seriously.

[Krandor]

I quit the game last week (4th time).

It's depressing what this game comes down to really. Camping 3 kings every single day for a possibility of 9 hours altogether is no "game", it's work to me. Then you fight Tiamat for a few hours, maybe loljorm or lolvrtra if you feel like spicing things up. You can also spend an hour waiting to gather for a 3 hours dynamis in which none of your AF2 will drop in anyways, and besides even if it did the level 73 BLM that just joined will win it. Oh I forgot, you can do sky too... wait, you can't. There's sea... wait again.

Theres a ton of content you could have done instead. But no, you wanted to get ridills, ebodies, etc. If that's what you want you're asking for monotony. This game has a rediculous amount of breadth, if I get sick of one thing I can always do another, maybe go back to the 1st one if I feel like it.

The problem is that anyway you slice it, what people want out of endgame content in any MMORPG is new items to make their character better, it's the nature of the beast. Some of the "fun" content out there offers shit for decent items, so on a whole people aren't interested in it.