How many people quitting?

[layoneil]

Sure, Hydra doesnt drop good gear, but the fight is hella fun.

kind of good for the 30 people that get to fight it every week, but usually doesn't matter to the 10k other people on the server that won't even see the mob.

Not to mention, the setup of the new merits is so arbitrary in its 20 minute recast, meritable to 15 minute recast, it screams for rebalance in the near future.

screaming for rebalance like the 1 Fire Crystal that drops off Tiamat or the entire Garrison and Expeditionary Force systems that are completely useless.

SE's track record for re-anything is despicable.

Quitting over the update? Are you fucking crazy?

i doubt a lot of people are quitting over the update. everyone has this thing or that thing they don't like about the game. everyone tolerates those short-comings for the things they do like.

as the game progresses, the short-comings increase in scale. people see each update as a chance for those short-comings to be removed/replaced.

when those changes don't happen, or when those changes appear to happen and fall short, that's when they finally give up hope and quit. it's not directly quitting because of things in the update.

people quit because of previous issues they had, and they wait around till an update to give SE one last chance to convince them to stay.

besides for DRKs and THFs, this update didn't really do that for most people.

[Dreizehn]

i quit last month after finally getting fed up with SE doing nothing to fix sky from being whored by RMT all day...i was hopeful that i would return in august after hearing they fixed pop conditions for Ulli...i just got done reading the ulli thread on these forums and i'm not opitimistic about returning.

[Gilanth]

If you want to grind xp out your ass all day this update wins!!!



I quit 2 days before it came out Hunter is now the life for me

[Lordwafik]

People are retarded. They thought the merits will turn them into hercules, and anything they breathe on will die on sight (except for a mithran monk on asura, she has this ability irl and in game).

Expect too high = you will always be dissapointed, no matter what the situation is.

Some things I can agree with, like protectra only 5 more than the last, but other jobs completely got fixed from the problems they've been complaining about, with the exact fixes that were requested (thief wanted higher dmg, drk wanted absorb TP, smns wanted their BP's, etc).

ISNM arent there for anyone to really make a big profit, they were there to change the market, they worked well there. Now who is gonna complain when they cant get a talon for their weskit? Also who is going to complain about their 30 seals going to waste? Nobody, because it didnt cost 30 seals. It's just IS points, which you can use on anything else, and unlike stupid ENM, there's no 5 day lockout nor a 1 time use.

Who's going to complain about the flooded crap except for RMT ? Behe horns to my knowledge never were expensive, dragon talons were, but were too expensive to the point where nobody would risk making dragon rings. Now you can make dragon rings (so long as the flood keeps up!).


Blahblahblah

I can understand the complaints about hydra, but maybe this is SE subtly telling you to put your mind on something else. Kill hydra for the challenge, get the shitty drops, and it's not worth monopolizing.

Upset there was nothing to monopolize? I have no sympathy for you, because I got sick to death from camping NM after NM for items that we "needed" (which we didnt, but everyone needs full sets of zenith/adaman/hecatomb/shura now a days right?).

Im upset that hydra doesnt have anything great, but kinda happy at the same time, because a LS wont have to "max out" it's members, trial members, new recruit who become trial who become fulltime, etc etc.

[Raineer]

If you want to grind xp out your ass all day this update wins!!!



I quit 2 days before it came out Hunter is now the life for me

haha, yeah that was my same impression. The new unlockables are cool, the 3/6/9/9 structure is decidedly not. It's true that merits are alot easier now, but not everyone has that much time.

Also forget to mention my excitement at Phalanx II.. woot woot for Refresh/Haste/PHALANX chains now -.-

[Norelco]

This thread is incredibly stupid.

"ZOMG! I didn't get what I wanted in the update! WAHHHHHHHHHHHH! I'm quitting!"

Bye jerks.

Learn to read.

Learn to comprehend. Your question is worthless. If any of your friends quit the game as a result of this update then you:

a.) have incredibly stupid friends
b.) must be stupid yourself

So, with that said, re-read.

actually you yourself are

1. incredibly stupid
2. cant read and still incredibly stupid

he asked how many ppl are quiting as a result of the update, not that he is quiting. by your first post in a lame ass attept to flame, you implyed that the OP was complaining about the update and was going to quit when he was simply asking a question. You sir are an ass.

Why dont you go out and shave a few faces and leave the critical thinking up to the adults boy...

"Learn to read."

Where did I imply that he was quitting or complaining? It was a generalized statement to anyone who might have or who may be quitting as a result of this update. You lose.

P.S. AFK shaving faces.

EDIT: Also learn how to spell. It's "attempt" and "implied". Now go kill yourself.

[Kurp]

Quitting over the update? Are you fucking crazy?

People will quit over this update, no doubt about it. I'm not one of them though, but I can understand why. I think this update was hyped up to be the update that could have changed the game for the better.

The merit changes, as a whole, could have completely changed the face of endgame class balancing. Dragoons, Beastmasters, and other classes that really don't get a sniff in endgame fights could have been boosted up greatly to compete with other jobs. But, no. Nothing changed. It's still gonna be the same classes on the inside and the same people watching from the sidelines.

Add to that the utter lack of any gear worth really going after. We're getting the same shitty loot pools that Tiamat and Jormungand offered. We can hope for more, but I really doubt we'll ever get anything.

This update was a pretty big dissapointment for me. I really thought we'd get a bunch of stuff to make the game fresh again, but that isn't the case.

I don't think it's too 'fucking crazy' to imagine a few people quitting over it. A lot of people are just tired of all the letdowns.

[Nagamaki]

haha, yeah that was my same impression. The new unlockables are cool, the 3/6/9/9 structure is decidedly not. It's true that merits are alot easier now, but not everyone has that much time.

You realize its actually 3-4-5? Still a good amount, but a lot less than attribute merit cost.

As for the merits all being horrible, people don't even know what half of them really do yet, but they're totally fine with going directly for "omg all new merits suck" conclusions.

[Sirenia]

I'm done with this game.

Why?
-Extreme time waster.
-SE sucks.
-WoW is more fun, challenging but not exhasting, awesome PvP, and <3 instanced material.

[Norelco]

I'm done with this game.

Why?
-Extreme time waster.
-SE sucks.
-WoW is more fun, challenging but not exhasting, awesome PvP, and <3 instanced material.

Bye!

[solsovly]

I'm done with this game.

Why?
-Extreme time waster.
-SE sucks.
-WoW is more fun, challenging but not exhasting, awesome PvP, and <3 instanced material.

I'm going to give you a hint. Every MMO is an extreme time waster. Have fun in WoW. Bye!

[Raineer]

haha, yeah that was my same impression. The new unlockables are cool, the 3/6/9/9 structure is decidedly not. It's true that merits are alot easier now, but not everyone has that much time.

You realize its actually 3-4-5? Still a good amount, but a lot less than attribute merit cost.

As for the merits all being horrible, people don't even know what half of them really do yet, but they're totally fine with going directly for "omg all new merits suck" conclusions.

Actually yeah I'm happy with that conclusion. However I am speaking about my own job and not others, if I played one of the other classes like PLD/THF/WAR then I'd be hanging around. Bio3/Dia3 is cool, the rest I didn't need. However since it's SE I'd level one of them to 75 just to see it nerfed, and they'd have around $100 more of my money and god knows how much of my time just to sit at HNM's all day again.

All they need to learn is the meaning of the word instanced and I'd be happy. Bahamut V2 was a big win, no doubt at all. Is it unreasonable to expect to have anything else instanced? True instances to me would involve less pre-reqs than 99 KS's, etc.

[Immortaldonut]

i like the new patch. Raptor Mazurka was enough to keep me mildly amused after work on tuesday for about 2 hours. The new red mage merits look pretty sweet at first glance, but i don't have much time to go merit atm. Figuring out a workable strat on Hydra was really fun.

If you were really into e-peen and monopolizing HNM this update horribly failed.

If you were into having a good time with your friends, it has been great (except for drgs).


It's nice to be in camp 2.

i really couldn't agree more. most people i know also fall into this category.

[Raineer]

I'm done with this game.

Why?
-Extreme time waster.
-SE sucks.
-WoW is more fun, challenging but not exhasting, awesome PvP, and <3 instanced material.

I'm going to give you a hint. Every MMO is an extreme time waster. Have fun in WoW. Bye!

That's funny I've played WoW for like a full month and haven't seen one darter or spent 1 second LFG or camping anything. Anyways this isn't a wow thread so I won't expand on that.

MMO's are designed to be time wasters to be sure.. The whole reason I played so much FFXI is that this much time wasting in RL would cost me like $50+ a night at a bar or dance club, or I can spend 8 hours a night for $15 a month and stay totally occupied. It's saved me tons of RL money and I love MMO's for that, but it's all about the way you waste your time :D

[Suiram]

All they need to learn is the meaning of the word instanced and I'd be happy. Bahamut V2 was a big win, no doubt at all. Is it unreasonable to expect to have anything else instanced? True instances to me would involve less pre-reqs than 99 KS's, etc.

Except... Bahamut 2 isn't instanced. Although Assaults are I guess.

[divisortheory]

I'm with wafik and Delekii. And not becuse i'm a THF either, it just seems like people would have learned what to expect from SE by now, and not go into each update thinking they're going to do 3k bursts, or 2.5k blood pacts.

What kind of abilities were you expecting for jobs? Were you expecting WHM's devotion ability to be able to be used every 3 minutes? That would ruin the game, lol. It would be fucking retarded how easy shit would be if that were every 3 minutes. What did you expect from NIN, Utsusemi:San? Why? What do you really need it for? Jubaku:Ni? Sorry, they were trying to solve the problem of RDMs not always being needed anymore, so THEY got Jubaku:Ni (aka Paralyze II). People complain about San Ninjutsus, but elemental Ninjutsu is still a great tool in NINs arsenal, and having a third tier is... guess what, more powerful than a second tier!

SAM - It's a TP machine, did you expect SAM to be getting 100TP every 15 seconds now? No, that's broken.

BLM - Sorry, the ancient magic 2 is fucking powerful, GTFO if you don't like this shit.

Flashy Shot - Once again, great ability, shorten it's recast time down to like 15 minutes and you've got a winner. What were you expecting, every 5 minutes do an attack that ignores level difference on what is already the most powerful weapon skill in the game? BROKEN.

SMN - These new Blood Pacts are pretty fuckign weak, these need to be rebalanaced.

WAR - Tomahawk and Warrior's Cry are tight, Defense down and double attacked Weapon skills. great for merits, or HNMs.


Anyway, history will repeat itself, and we'll see all these cries and whining with the next update too. Even if SE up and banned every single known gilseller in the game across all servers, people would still find a reason to bitch. The reason is that every single person has a different idea about what they consider perfect, and if things aren't perfect according to their own vision after every update they go all emo and /wrists.

[Delekii]

haha, yeah that was my same impression. The new unlockables are cool, the 3/6/9/9 structure is decidedly not. It's true that merits are alot easier now, but not everyone has that much time.

You realize its actually 3-4-5? Still a good amount, but a lot less than attribute merit cost.

As for the merits all being horrible, people don't even know what half of them really do yet, but they're totally fine with going directly for "omg all new merits suck" conclusions.

Actually yeah I'm happy with that conclusion. However I am speaking about my own job and not others, if I played one of the other classes like PLD/THF/WAR then I'd be hanging around. Bio3/Dia3 is cool, the rest I didn't need. However since it's SE I'd level one of them to 75 just to see it nerfed, and they'd have around $100 more of my money and god knows how much of my time just to sit at HNM's all day again.

All they need to learn is the meaning of the word instanced and I'd be happy. Bahamut V2 was a big win, no doubt at all. Is it unreasonable to expect to have anything else instanced? True instances to me would involve less pre-reqs than 99 KS's, etc.

Do you mean like.. assault and ISNM instance? Or are you hung up on some technicality of it actually being a true instance or something?

It seems to me like they added a LOT of "instance" style stuff. The assault missions are extremely varied and some are a little challenging, the ISNM missions are currently limited, but then so were BCNM when they were released. If you mean instanced as in, 40 man raid dungeons ala WoW, this isnt WoW. SE LIKES people to compete for NMs and the likes, if you dont like it you are already playing the wrong game.

[Raineer]

Except... Bahamut 2 isn't instanced. Although Assaults are I guess.

Hmmm.... Can't you do it over and over if you have Monarch Orbs? If the only pre-req is killing Ouryu (and CoP mission) and there's no time-delay between fights I don't think that's too bad.

As for "instanced" I guess I don't know since when I was in infinitum we were the only LS that could kill it, and I think they still are.

[Suiram]

Oh, I thought you meant 'instanced' as in 'different groups can fight the same battle simultaneously', as opposed to Dynamis, Limbus, etc.

[Delekii]

SMN - These new Blood Pacts are pretty fuckign weak, these need to be rebalanaced.

That might be true, but if I was a SMN (and I wish to god I had the patience to level that job), I would put 1 merit in every one of those pacts, just for the graphic alone. Those are the hottest looking spells/abilities in the game, bar none.

For example:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...enlystrike.jpg