How many people quitting?

[Raineer]

Do you mean like.. assault and ISNM instance? Or are you hung up on some technicality of it actually being a true instance or something?

It seems to me like they added a LOT of "instance" style stuff. The assault missions are extremely varied and some are a little challenging, the ISNM missions are currently limited, but then so were BCNM when they were released. If you mean instanced as in, 40 man raid dungeons ala WoW, this isnt WoW. SE LIKES people to compete for NMs and the likes, if you dont like it you are already playing the wrong game.

SE is getting there, but still not even close.

You claim that "SE likes people to compete for NM's", I see it as "we place restrictions on how quickly you can get stuff because we like your money". Please don't take my tone wrong, I'm not some born-again SE basher... I like FFXI, and was a total fanboi until I actually experienced the competition and noticed a pattern that permeates throughout FFXI.

Assaults are instanced, yes... I guess we need to not get hung up on that, I do mean that multiple copies can run at once but also that you can repeat it as much as you want.

What if....and believe me this is a hy-po-thet-i-cal (<3officespace)...assault didn't have a one-tag-per-day limit? Hmmm? How does that break the game? Why couldn't they have done that? I can't see any reason besides SE execs sitting around a table saying "wow, there's another 6 months of each subscriber guaranteed, DANCE PUPPETS DANCE!!!!!" Ok the ending is embellished but yeah...there's no reason to have a restriction on it.

[Garret]

MMO's are designed to be time wasters to be sure.. The whole reason I played so much FFXI is that this much time wasting in RL would cost me like $50+ a night at a bar or dance club, or I can spend 8 hours a night for $15 a month and stay totally occupied. It's saved me tons of RL money and I love MMO's for that, but it's all about the way you waste your time

Wow, someone who understands MMO's.

[Immortaldonut]

Those are the hottest looking spells/abilities in the game, bar none.

i dunno... i really like some of the AMII spells lol... Flood II really looks cool. I didn't take a screenshot of it, but it looks like a huge water column that bursts up from the ground. Burst II is kinda neat looking also.

[SephYuyX]

I get magic/abilites/WSs soley for animation.

[Kurp]

It seems to me like they added a LOT of "instance" style stuff. The assault missions are extremely varied and some are a little challenging, the ISNM missions are currently limited, but then so were BCNM when they were released. If you mean instanced as in, 40 man raid dungeons ala WoW, this isnt WoW. SE LIKES people to compete for NMs and the likes, if you dont like it you are already playing the wrong game.

I doubt people will be doing ISNM in ten days time when Dragon Talons are 50k and Behemoth Horns are being sold to NPCs. If they added some really kickass rare weapons, armor, or spells to their loot pools it may have been different though. I just don't think people are going to be dogpiling over the Company Fleuret or Water IV though.

[Sirenia]

I'm done with this game.

Why?
-Extreme time waster.
-SE sucks.
-WoW is more fun, challenging but not exhasting, awesome PvP, and <3 instanced material.

I'm going to give you a hint. Every MMO is an extreme time waster. Have fun in WoW. Bye!

Thank you, I will have fun! =)
No not every MMO is an extreme time waster.
Waiting for 3 hours for a HNM to pop...which may or may not be the one you want is.
And like Raineer said, its all about how you waste your time.

[Shuemue]

What's all this about dragon talons?

Am I gonna be able to get a cheap genie weskit?!

[Lordwafik]

I'm done with this game.

Why?
-Extreme time waster.
-SE sucks.
-WoW is more fun, challenging but not exhasting, awesome PvP, and <3 instanced material.

I'm going to give you a hint. Every MMO is an extreme time waster. Have fun in WoW. Bye!

Thank you, I will have fun! =)
No not every MMO is an extreme time waster.
Waiting for 3 hours for a HNM to pop...which may or may not be the one you want is.
And like Raineer said, its all about how you waste your time.

Ya know, nobody is holding a gun to your head saying OMGZ U MUST CAMP!!!

I havent camped any HNM for like... 5 months now? Im happy.

[Kurp]

What's all this about dragon talons?

Am I gonna be able to get a cheap genie weskit?!

Check the AH for talons heh.

[Raineer]

I'm done with this game.

Why?
-Extreme time waster.
-SE sucks.
-WoW is more fun, challenging but not exhasting, awesome PvP, and <3 instanced material.

I'm going to give you a hint. Every MMO is an extreme time waster. Have fun in WoW. Bye!

Thank you, I will have fun! =)
No not every MMO is an extreme time waster.
Waiting for 3 hours for a HNM to pop...which may or may not be the one you want is.
And like Raineer said, its all about how you waste your time.

Ya know, nobody is holding a gun to your head saying OMGZ U MUST CAMP!!!

I havent camped any HNM for like... 5 months now? Im happy.

lolmandau noheca

haha i kid

[SephYuyX]

Aye, when I hunt HNM, guess what? I can do work, browse the internets, watch a movie or play another video game on my laptop or one of my video game systems. Shit, I even clean the house sometimes.

[Norelco]

browse the internets

laughed at this

[Isildur]

You claim that "SE likes people to compete for NM's", I see it as "we place restrictions on how quickly you can get stuff because we like your money". Please don't take my tone wrong, I'm not some born-again SE basher... I like FFXI, and was a total fanboi until I actually experienced the competition and noticed a pattern that permeates throughout FFXI.

I have to agree with Raineer on this one, i've always felt that endgame equipment is too restricted and unobtainable. When you have 250 people in DA all trying to claim a dragon that drops 2 rare body abjs nothing else in the game does, you need to fix your damn game. Regretfully, i admit that most people quit the game after they obtain highly-saught after items and thats what SE is afraid of....if they instanced fafhogg drops, you'd see every damn DRK/WAR on the server wearing an adaberk, but if SE was smart about it they'd make the instanced fight much harder to compensate for a market flooding of body abjurations.

More instanced fights = win.

[epigram]

You really do need some sort of limit though. 1 tag a day is good, it means that you can still make a profit at the AH with items, since people can't just farm out 100,000 AP in a day.

It also allows people with limited play time to compete with people with much greater play times. Now, this fails for anything that you can't schedule or do on your own time like 21hour NM's. Fafnir/Aspi/KB are retarded, Sky pop item nm's are retarded, they need to fix those so everyone can enjoy them instead of about 20-60 people per server.

[Delekii]

Do you mean like.. assault and ISNM instance? Or are you hung up on some technicality of it actually being a true instance or something?

It seems to me like they added a LOT of "instance" style stuff. The assault missions are extremely varied and some are a little challenging, the ISNM missions are currently limited, but then so were BCNM when they were released. If you mean instanced as in, 40 man raid dungeons ala WoW, this isnt WoW. SE LIKES people to compete for NMs and the likes, if you dont like it you are already playing the wrong game.

SE is getting there, but still not even close.

You claim that "SE likes people to compete for NM's", I see it as "we place restrictions on how quickly you can get stuff because we like your money". Please don't take my tone wrong, I'm not some born-again SE basher... I like FFXI, and was a total fanboi until I actually experienced the competition and noticed a pattern that permeates throughout FFXI.

Assaults are instanced, yes... I guess we need to not get hung up on that, I do mean that multiple copies can run at once but also that you can repeat it as much as you want.

What if....and believe me this is a hy-po-thet-i-cal (<3officespace)...assault didn't have a one-tag-per-day limit? Hmmm? How does that break the game? Why couldn't they have done that? I can't see any reason besides SE execs sitting around a table saying "wow, there's another 6 months of each subscriber guaranteed, DANCE PUPPETS DANCE!!!!!" Ok the ending is embellished but yeah...there's no reason to have a restriction on it.

Arent there lockouts on the endgame instances in WoW too? Im sure I remember reading like 5 day lockouts and crap like that?

In the end, FFXI is a money-making machine, as is WoW. Eventually you run out of things to do in WoW, too.

[Guyverarmor]

Arent there lockouts on the endgame instances in WoW too? Im sure I remember reading like 5 day lockouts and crap like that?

In the end, FFXI is a money-making machine, as is WoW. Eventually you run out of things to do in WoW, too.[/quote]

QFT Sup Wafik

[Matricide]

timers killed the new merits for me. you think flashy shot with less than a 15 minute timer is broken? what a fucking joke. is berserk broken? thats gotta be the most acceptable timer for me yet you think 15 minutes is ok. flashy shot should be on the same timer as unlimited shot. it wont make it overpowered, but i guess thast asking a lot, what with the sharpshot on a 5/1 minute timer (berserk what?) that doesnt even do anything anyway.

hell ES is on a 10 minute timer and that essentially does what flashy shot does for rangers.

timers could have made or broken these new merits, and SE went with broken. and not in a good way.

[Norelco]

Camping HNM is like millions of sperm trying to be the lucky one to finally penetrate the egg. Let's compare the two, using Dragon's Aery as an example.

You gather enmasse in a tiny little compartment after first traveling through a winding fallopian tube. Then, you deal with the Darters, which in my mind is like birth control. If you claim Fafhogg, which is like penetrating the outside wall of the egg, there is a chance the birth control Darters will kick in and start attacking you, thus trying to prevent the fertilization process. But birth control isn't always 100% successful so there is a chance you can overcome these Darters and proceed with fertilizing the egg, aka, killing Fafhogg. Another thing that can prevent fertilization of the egg is the other sperm fucking up your shit by trying to flail you or KS your egg. When and if you finally kill Fafhogg, you have successfully fertilized the egg. The drops you get depend on the types of chromosomes SE randomly throws at you...sometimes you'll get a Dalmatica (girl), and other times you'll get a Koenig Cuirass (boy)...and in extremely rare occurrences you may get twins (multiple abjurations). All in all the entire procreation and birthing process is a tiring one.


http://www.abdn.ac.uk/newsletter/iss.../sperm_egg.jpg

[epigram]

To keep people going in this game after they are done leveling you need to:

-Create competition and rewards
-Keep items rare but obtainable

I still think a sysmessage once every 2 or 3 hours with the name of LS, and time to defeat some monster is a good system for acknowledgement and competition. If your in Jeuno/Whitegate and see:

System Message:
The following Linkshell Challenge Rankgs:
SpawnMoreOverlords: 2085 Points (High Point Kill, Level 120 Wyrm, 20min)
GreatestMoustacheRide: 1267 Points (High Point Kill, Level 156 Rarrab 32min)
YinDynasty: 1264 Points (High Point Kill, Level 122 Corse)

Once every update you could give something nice to the group with the greatest HPK, or number of Points. Maybe 12% speed bonus or 5% exp bonus.

Hmm.... I think I might start an alla post about an HNM arena idea. Pick monster type, pick level, go fight it, get drops, do it once every three days, get your name in sysmessage every 2-3 hours with standings :D

[Gafgarionn]

timers killed the new merits for me. you think flashy shot with less than a 15 minute timer is broken? what a fucking joke. is berserk broken? thats gotta be the most acceptable timer for me yet you think 15 minutes is ok. flashy shot should be on the same timer as unlimited shot. it wont make it overpowered, but i guess thast asking a lot, what with the sharpshot on a 5/1 minute timer (berserk what?) that doesnt even do anything anyway.

hell ES is on a 10 minute timer and that essentially does what flashy shot does for rangers.

timers could have made or broken these new merits, and SE went with broken. and not in a good way.

How does a 15 minute timer make these merits worthless? Man, you people have your expectations set wayyyyyyyy too high. Remember, this is SE. SE is still the same group of stingy bastards it has always been; neither this update nor the expansion as a whole have changed that. Take the abilities for what they are and quit bitching (or just quit the game, that works too).