How many people quitting?

[Jeryhn]

So you're saying:
- it's good that the merits are gimmicky because this way they do not provide a greater significant benefit for time spent earning them over other merits

No, I'm saying that if you expected them to be gamebreaking, you're a dumbass.

- it's good that new HNMs don't drop good things so that you can enjoy killing it in peace

No, its nice having something new, fresh and exciting, and actually offers rewards that more closely match its difficulty. Hydra is a fairly weak NM, isn't a clone of Fafhogg, and drops fairly weak stuff matching its difficulty. Isn't this what players have been complaining about when it came to CoP HNMs?

[Ryko]

Yeah it's sort of like "well it's good it sucks so people wont do it" <_>

And people were asking that mobs that were harder actually dropped stuff worth a damn, that doesn't automatically translate into "make easier HNMs that drop shittier stuff too".

[Raineer]

HNM endgame is definitely broken imo and SE refuses to see it. There's no reason that after a year and a half of trying to get one item off of one hnm that there's no other option for me from other mobs. No gear compares to half the stuff the old kings give. And the new kings aren't giving anything to hot to be replacements.

Like others said, if youre not into the hnm thing they're giving people a lot of things to do. Which is good thing becuase not everyone should have to do hnms in this game. The problem is they aren't fixing hnming at all, and for those like myself who wanted a piece or too off of hnms it's really killing the enjoyment out of the game.

Maybe I am being optimistic... but I can't help but think that SE might have some changes in store down the line that might be better for end game players. They've already included some rare/valuable items as rewards for Assault and now they've included some other different rare items for the ISBCs.

Perhaps there's more to come down the line... like Abjs from the highest level Assaults (once they are released) or expanding of the ISBCs to include more with varying drops/rewards. IIRC, the BCNM format wasn't comphrensively released in one patch... so perhaps this other stuff is coming.

/gasp... they might even release something better than abjuration gear.

It seems a little unrealistic for SE to "blow their wad" on all this stuff up front... though I understand how eager and impatient it makes everyone.

Yeah but how long do you wait? I think that's what this thread was about. It's not about "quitting over this patch", it's about quitting the entire game. We all have our reasons, mine is that you can spend thousands of hours working even for a single item and still not get it, for whatever reason. It may be that the content is just too rare, or there are those notorius players that just play more than others (lolgilsellers) camping things 24/7 while GM's tell you to delete your character when you get stuck in sky.

[Miji]

Well, here's my bit about the update. There is one thing I really don't like doing (and I'd expect most would agree with), and that's killing mobs repeatedly for long periods of time. Nearly everything in ToAU (other than assault) seems to based on meriting and getting IS. I don't want to log on to FFXI and be forced to merit if I want to experience the content. I used to like getting on and looking around for something to craft, but SE is taking that away from us slowly but surely (this isn't about making money, I just want to be able to craft without losing it). My optimism is running out for each update that's supposed to come out and enhance gameplay. Yes, the new abilities are nice, but who really wants to get another 400k+ worth of merits for your job? What are you going to use these new abilities on? I like the community aspect of FFXI, but they've degraded it to camping RoZ kings with your LS for hours or burning merits for even more time.

I'll remain optimistic about the end of the year update, but after that my patience will have worn out if it doesn't deliver. I hope the Colosseum will provide the opportunity for a community that FFXI could be, and for that I'll remain optimistic. I'd really like to see places in the game where people gather together and socialize apart from camping Fafnir and getting pissed at each other.

[Ksandra]

I don't see why people would quit over a bunch of new job specific merits.

Merits have always been very very marginal increases into categories of the player's choosing. People who were expecting the new job specific merits to fundamentally change the way their job is played, instead of provide small gimmicky JAs or small increases, are kidding themselves.

Who cares if Hydra's drops are useless? Drops from about 90% of the game NMs are useless. Hello Cerberus Meat. Sup Oxblood. And when was the last time you camped Helldiver for a Buburimu Gorget? Hydra is a pretty cool and interesting fight if nothing else, and it's nice for newer LSes to have more "practice" HNMs that aren't monopolized by the RMT, that coincidently you pay 7 mil to buy one of their Serket Rings off the AH. It's also nice to have a new HNM added to the game that I don't have to rush along with the 6 or 7 others I have to rush to get the claim.

I actually like the merits. I see them as useful in a lot of "oh shit" situations. However I don't think the problem (at least for me) is so much that Hydra's drops are useless. It's that EVERY hnms drops are useless besides the RoZ hnms which were released like 3 years ago. (besides tia)

I personally could fight Jorm everyday without ever getting anything from it simply because I really enjoy the fight. I think it's good actually for SE to make mobs more about the stradegies and the kill versus just the gear. The problem is 1. people come up with a stradegy and they nerf it. 2. they aren't doing a very good balance of hnms for gear drops and hnms for the fun fights.

As someone said above ya I admit they may amaze us and fix the whole behe/aspi/fafnogg abj issue in a future patch. That's kinda why I'm waiting for the WoW expansion to come out before I make my decision. By the time it comes out most of this stuff will get released I think, and it'll give us a better idea on whether or not SE actually fixed stuff or just handed out some placebos.

Tbh I always get torn between WoW and FF. I liked playing FF from 1-75. And I like FF's systems much better than WoW. The thing that has always killed me is Blizzard takes care of their game where SE doesn't. If you've played both you'd se that Blizzard is constantly trying to tweak both old and new content to better suit their player base. And they actually listen to their players (shocking I know). I'd rather have that kind of attitude, then play a game that's fun but has problems and see the creators time and time again ignore the problems and try to throw out some skittles once in awhile hoping people will stay.

I don't mean to turn this into a WoW vs. FF rant. Just a little let down. I really thought SE finally woke up and decided they'd try and fix things but the reality is starting to sink in and I don't think I want to wait for yet another expansion just to be let down again. I think I may give up hnming for awhile and see if FF still holds my interest or not. Probably good to take a break at least. XD

[Anyway]

I always get a good laugh when I'm watching Attack of the Show and every time FFXI has been brought up, Kevin gives the same reaction "Wait a second, there are people who still play that game? hahahahahah"

[Avvesione]

I liked the update. Even tho I didn't get Massacre Elegy or anything cool/useful, I'll take what I can get and go with it.


P.S. for Lordwafik

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and all the others that you hate

[aurik]

So you're saying:
- it's good that the merits are gimmicky because this way they do not provide a greater significant benefit for time spent earning them over other merits

No, I'm saying that if you expected them to be gamebreaking, you're a dumbass.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5535/usefulhz1.png

Big gap between what they are and what they could have been without breaking the game.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Goddamnit, just enjoy the fucking game you pay for. Here's a thought: You can do anything in this game without a ridill. You don't need fucking ridills. Goddamn, you fucking idiots.

Anyway, you're a fucking idiot.

[Jeryhn]

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5535/usefulhz1.png

Big gap between what they are and what they could have been without breaking the game.

Nice graph. But you rated A. Body as "phenominal" while E. Body gets a mere "excellent". Pardon me if I find it a little subjectively skewed.

Aren't you upgrading the relic dagger anyway? Why are you still complaining?

[Feep]

"Goddamnit, just enjoy the fucking game you pay for. Here's a thought: You can do anything in this game without a ridill. You don't need fucking ridills. Goddamn, you fucking idiots."

Quoted For The Ultimate Truth of Vana'diel.

[Cephius]

So you're saying:
- it's good that the merits are gimmicky because this way they do not provide a greater significant benefit for time spent earning them over other merits

No, I'm saying that if you expected them to be gamebreaking, you're a dumbass.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5535/usefulhz1.png

Big gap between what they are and what they could have been without breaking the game.

I realize the gif was meant mostly to be a joke but why is Nidhogg listed when his drops are already there I guess in terms of a good balance of fun/difficulty on the fight?

D ring should be on par or greater than blackbelt/ridill imo!

Also, Armanie and Marxeno deserve a spot on this legendary timeline.

[Roranora]

As long as additions are around "Decent" on that pretty accurate chart (lol@meleeSMN), we'll have more additions of things to do end-game and hopefully as a result, less monotony. I don't expect more Fafnirs added, but they could at least one-up CoP Dynamis with Hydra.

On a side note, I thought Frenzy Sallet couldn't completely kill you.. god that torque is useless.

[Siatdiat]

Going to derail my own shitty thread and make it into a conjecture thread for bsts to figure out what new jugs they might add for ToAU. So far, the only families we dont have covered with a jug is birds and amorphs. With the new killer instinct merit, its screaming for these last 2 families to have a summonable jug option. Im looking at hopefully a Colibri jug for the bird family, having a hard time thinking of a ToAU only amorph type mob though. Discuss.

[aurik]

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5535/usefulhz1.png

Big gap between what they are and what they could have been without breaking the game.

Nice graph. But you rated A. Body as "phenominal" while E. Body gets a mere "excellent". Pardon me if I find it a little subjectively skewed.

Aren't you upgrading the relic dagger anyway? Why are you still complaining?

What's wrong with that? Hauberk+1 is decently close to e.body providing a buyable alternative that is just a few stat points short, whereas rdm and brd have to give up a headpiece (hi2u duelist chapeau) to get the 1/t refresh. A.body > E.body for this reason.

And no, I'm not upgrading the relic dagger, and just because I find doing my own thing in this game enjoyable doesn't mean I have to be blind to the fuckoff massive shortcomings.

[Aurin]

I quit before this update.. but I logged on to check out Hydra and I lol'd.

I forget who posted it in another thread(Tape I think), but they pretty much hit the nail on the head.. None play FFXI anymore. FFXI Plays you.

[Priran]

http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/9ec48c03d8.jpg

Say NO to Besieged Strategy updates.
Say NO to shitty ideas.

[Jeryhn]

What's wrong with that? Hauberk+1 is decently close to e.body providing a buyable alternative that is just a few stat points short, whereas rdm and brd have to give up a headpiece (hi2u duelist chapeau) to get the 1/t refresh. A.body > E.body for this reason.

Adaman/Armada Hauberk does a hell of a lot more for the 3 job classes that can wear it than freeing up a head slot for 4 out of the 5 jobs that can wear Dalmatica. Hell, when it comes to RDMs, the head slot argument only applies to RDM's who already have a Duelist's Chapeau (Newsflash: Most RDMs don't have one).

Dalmatica has substantially better alternatives (most easier to get than an A.Body abjuration) for most of the jobs that can wear it. E.Body > A.Body by a long shot.

And no, I'm not upgrading the relic dagger, and just because I find doing my own thing in this game enjoyable doesn't mean I have to be blind to the fuckoff massive shortcomings.

I'm not providing some fanboy argument for SE here. I'm well aware of the game's flaws. Be careful that Flux doesn't draw you into his loathing-but-still-paying spiral of madness.

[aurik]

What's wrong with that? Hauberk+1 is decently close to e.body providing a buyable alternative that is just a few stat points short, whereas rdm and brd have to give up a headpiece (hi2u duelist chapeau) to get the 1/t refresh. A.body > E.body for this reason.

Adaman/Armada Hauberk does a hell of a lot more for the 3 job classes that can wear it than freeing up a head slot for 4 out of the 5 jobs that can wear Dalmatica. Hell, when it comes to RDMs, the head slot argument only applies to RDM's who already have a Duelist's Chapeau (Newsflash: Most RDMs don't have one).

Dalmatica has substantially better alternatives (most easier to get than an A.Body abjuration) for most of the jobs that can wear it. E.Body > A.Body by a long shot.

Please, 3acc 3atk 4str 4dex does nothing when your alliance is 60% black mages. In big fights, mp regain is of utmost importance, while damage rate isn't quite so big of a deal -- not that the war/nin in the adds party having e.body will do much to improve that damage rate anyway.

And dalm + rdm af1 is way better than verm cloak, as is dalm for brd adding 50mp in addition to refresh in addition to any head slot (turban for haste + mp + hp?)

And no, I'm not upgrading the relic dagger, and just because I find doing my own thing in this game enjoyable doesn't mean I have to be blind to the fuckoff massive shortcomings.

I'm not providing some fanboy argument for SE here. I'm well aware of the game's flaws. Be careful that Flux doesn't draw you into his loathing-but-still-paying spiral of madness.

Well maybe you should leave the whole "you play the game therefore you cannot criticize it" argument at home. I'm saying they could have done a substantially better job with JSM2s without breaking the game.

[Flarega]

Biggest problem with the update I think is besieged and the archaic mirror guards. Other than that its had me playing more than usual so I guess it's a win for me.