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    Here's what I tested on for those conclusions :

    Dynamis - Beaucedine statues, eyes to find out the 90% reduction on Chi applied.
    Dynamis - Beaucedine PLDs and Genbu to confirm it goes through invincible (doing half what your melee does on the same mob with regular melee, all buffs included)
    Apollyon SW mimics and elementals to confirm that it ignores physical resistance factors
    Kirin, other summoned gods and totally random mobs to confirm that its half of melee damage, not ignoring defense.

    Some things that I didn't test yet are if it'll get the bonus Chi and SW get against mobs weak to that type of damage, like Cerberus. In his case its kinda moot since 115% (approx) of 50% is far from even the base 100%, but maybe they'll make more mobs like that (only other thing I can think of with that is the Galka automaton in RSE ENM). I haven't been able to test yet on things with physical resist buffs, phases or forms but it *should* work on all of those (like hydra or ultima shields, omega 4 legged, cerb in his weird, possibly day based physical resist mode..). Also while I was able to confirm that gods don't have physical filter, its possible some other NMs/HNMs with that take very low melee damage have a filter and not only high defensive stats, I'll need to test on land turtles and Fortitude at least.

    On another note, Penance seems pretty cool. What it does is add "Inhibit TP" to your Chi Blast (you'll see it wear off in log) that has a duration of 20s per level (so 20, 40, 60). What this does is reduce all TP gained by the mob by 25% while it is active. I need to do more testing, but results so far indicate it affects all TP gain methods (hitting the mob, spells on the mob, the mob hitting people). It may or may not affect auto TP, but I can't think of anything with auto TP I could charm to confirm. This 25% is applied after TP is calculated and stacks with Subtle Blow in the following way:

    (BaseTP+3 * (1 - SB%)) * 0.75

    That means if your base TP per his is 5, base mob TP is 8. After SB it becomes 4, and after Penance is becomes 3. The fact that it affects everybody else attacking the mob is what makes this interesting though, and 3 MNKs with lv3 Penance rotating Chi can keep a mob in permanent Penance state.

    Also important to note, this affect doesn't seem to have anything to do with boosts or how much your chi does, so its at full effectiveness even if you just toss in a Chi while meleeing.

    Another thing I haven't tested with either ability is possible stat modifiers, but since they seem to use fairly simple formulas I think they probably don't have any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plow
    it's pretty nice when someone aggroes elems in celestial nexus
    If you aggro elementals in Celestial Nexus then you deserve to die lol thats all there is to it. And even if you don't its not like running from them is hard

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    You could test TP regen on mob if you find a BST main with the hat drop from Xolotl
    http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6251
    charm, pettp, chi, use hat, and pettp until meditate is over.
    I tested in ballista and chi doesn't change tp gained from meditate as sub, but it could still be slightly different for mobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagamaki
    I can't think of anything with auto TP I could charm to confirm.
    Try magmatic erucas in fire weather or puks on wind day. There was the "Strange mob behavior thread" and Epigram found that the crawlers have some kind of tp regen in fire weather, don't think the wind day puks are confirmed though.

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    Btw, it does stack with souleater, the added damage is still magical though, so on magic resistent mobs like besieged it gets blocked a lot.

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    Remember black mage af3? The black mage casted burn and never got a chance to nuke once... I litertly killed it in like 10 seconds..

    http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4239/img0001eb6.png

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    That'll get patched, that thing resists everything including Chi Blast and Spirits.

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    Its just blm af3.. its a cakewalk.. why would some code monkey spend the 4 min to patch that from a fully decked out 75 monk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devek
    Its just blm af3.. its a cakewalk.. why would some code monkey spend the 4 min to patch that from a fully decked out 75 monk?
    Because if the BLM AF3 NM takes full damage, chances are something else does that shouldn't as well.

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    That wasn't "full damage" for me though...

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    What kind of damage is souleater? Same as formless strikes?

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    What kind of damage is souleater?
    Soul Eater's damage is the same type as the damage its based on.

    PS. I'm might be asking something stupid right now, cause it has probably be said a lot, what is the duration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRP
    What kind of damage is souleater?
    Soul Eater's damage is the same type as the damage its based on.

    PS. I'm might be asking something stupid right now, cause it has probably be said a lot, what is the duration?
    3 min duration, 10 minute recast

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    Hitting elementals in SW Apollyon for just as much damage...

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    Formless strikes would have been nice to have when a Monk and I were killing Sewer Syrup.

    Btw, you mentioned killing elementals..I was under the impression formless strikes only worked on notorious monsters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beave
    Formless strikes would have been nice to have when a Monk and I were killing Sewer Syrup.

    Btw, you mentioned killing elementals..I was under the impression formless strikes only worked on notorious monsters?
    What the fuck does an attack being magical have to do with NMs. Just shut up and lurk damnit.

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    Someone's hostile. Changing physical attacks to magical attacks would help for NMs. For example I mentioned Sewer Syrup (slime mob fyi) meaning physical attacks do less damage, therefore magical attacks are better. You understand? Probably not. Veins in your forehead probably popping too much for you to comprehend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beave
    Btw, you mentioned killing elementals..I was under the impression formless strikes only worked on notorious monsters?
    Remeber what you say

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beave
    Someone's hostile. Changing physical attacks to magical attacks would help for NMs. For example I mentioned Sewer Syrup (slime mob fyi) meaning physical attacks do less damage, therefore magical attacks are better. You understand? Probably not. Veins in your forehead probably popping too much for you to comprehend
    Actually it wouldn't matter for like 90% of NMs out there.

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    I remembered saying only. It was my understanding the formless strikes only worked on notorious monsters. Maybe it was just mentioned somewhere that it helped mainly for NMs.

    I quit FFXI last month, so now I only have forums to keep me notified what's going on ingame. Forgive me since I've not seen what any of the new merits do ingame. I only get to read about them online. Viewpoint is key

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