Defending Ring (lolsash)

[Khamsin]

Subtle blow affects TP gained from spell damage. You lose.

Your server spams the elemental wheel on grand dragons? you lose.

Not that I would actually suggest it, but in this light, even a BLM would make better use out of the sash than a SAM would.

They can get their next round of Thunder IVs off sooner, and give it less TP in the process.

[Senoska]

I don't understand people's arguements against Map here, with the exception of Aurik's (who is arguing that other jobs benefit more from the sash, which I don't think anyone here disputes). But if you read BG frequently, you have to have noticed every thread someone makes a joke "lol give sash to a SAM" or some variant of it, and I get the feeling half of them haven't even killed prudence.

It's been stated in previous threads that his sea LS is 100% points-driven, since they are comprised of members of multiple HNM LSs, so it essentially has to be. If your HNM LS doesn't or didn't do sea, would you rather see something like a sash go to a NIN in a rival HNM LS who attended half as many events as a SAM in your HNM LS?

Once you get past the fact of how he got it, can you dispute that there is no better SAM waist piece? The consensus appears to be no.

Map is one of the early "sea pioneers" in my view, like Kaylia on Ifrit, who supplied a lot of useful information to the general community when your LS probably was spending 5 hours popping Temperance or getting sheer animosity. If I was him, who had to read "lol SAM sash" as an aside comment every day in some thread on these boards, I'd probably have snapped a long time ago.

people say "lol sash sam" becasue he goes into every thread he can and brags about it. The only reason I am attacking Map is becasue he is using the sash and saying its the best item for SAM in that slot, which its clearly not.

[Map]

Any spell that does 0 dmg gives 0 tp. However, ninjas DO use the elemental wheel. Particularly recently I saw a SS of Friction using elemental wheel for a stunning 2 dmg, but more importantly reducing Cerb's resistance for an incoming magic burst. Would have helped there too.

Once again, I'm going to laugh at your shell, for feeding a mob pointless tp from elemental wheel, so that your blms can feed it more pointless tp by their shitty resisted nukes on cerberus.

[Arvin]

Any spell that does 0 dmg gives 0 tp. However, ninjas DO use the elemental wheel. Particularly recently I saw a SS of Friction using elemental wheel for a stunning 2 dmg, but more importantly reducing Cerb's resistance for an incoming magic burst. Would have helped there too.

Once again, I'm going to laugh at your shell, for feeding a mob pointless tp from elemental wheel, so that your blms can feed it more pointless tp by their shitty resisted nukes on cerberus.

lol samurai sash

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Tiamat or Jorm with summoners using pld/nin + nin/drk. Ninjas engage with katanas on the ground to generate hate (especially with souleater after a roar). SB reduces the TP gained by the Wyrm during this process.

Give up yet?

We TA from our badass sams to generate hate for the ninjas, rather than feeding a mob pointless tp. Actually, we rarely even have ninjas tanking grands, cause plds(like our one with an aegis) hold hate and tank them much better. LOL@your ninja/drk having to melee grand dragons for hate.

Fun fact: Souleater hits also do a ton of damage, and with NIN's hit rate...

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/162...youknowtd9.jpg

[aurik]

Any spell that does 0 dmg gives 0 tp. However, ninjas DO use the elemental wheel. Particularly recently I saw a SS of Friction using elemental wheel for a stunning 2 dmg, but more importantly reducing Cerb's resistance for an incoming magic burst. Would have helped there too.

Once again, I'm going to laugh at your shell, for feeding a mob pointless tp from elemental wheel, so that your blms can feed it more pointless tp by their shitty resisted nukes on cerberus.

OK, you laugh at that shell. That's Dynasty on Cerberus btw, one of the more...successful...shells in the multiverse.

[Senoska]

Any spell that does 0 dmg gives 0 tp. However, ninjas DO use the elemental wheel. Particularly recently I saw a SS of Friction using elemental wheel for a stunning 2 dmg, but more importantly reducing Cerb's resistance for an incoming magic burst. Would have helped there too.

Once again, I'm going to laugh at your shell, for feeding a mob pointless tp from elemental wheel, so that your blms can feed it more pointless tp by their shitty resisted nukes on cerberus.

and I laugh at your shell for having SAMs full time melee on grand wyrms, whats your point?

[Map]

people say "lol sash sam" becasue he goes into every thread he can and brags about it. The only reason I am attacking Map is becasue he is using the sash and saying its the best item for SAM in that slot, which its clearly not.

As stated earlier, people bring up "lol sash sam" waaaaaay more often then I've had to defend myself for having it. And if you don't think that sash is the best thing for sam's waist, good god I hope you never play any melee job.

[Senoska]

I'm 75 WAR.

[Map]

Any spell that does 0 dmg gives 0 tp. However, ninjas DO use the elemental wheel. Particularly recently I saw a SS of Friction using elemental wheel for a stunning 2 dmg, but more importantly reducing Cerb's resistance for an incoming magic burst. Would have helped there too.

Once again, I'm going to laugh at your shell, for feeding a mob pointless tp from elemental wheel, so that your blms can feed it more pointless tp by their shitty resisted nukes on cerberus.

OK, you laugh at that shell. That's Dynasty on Cerberus btw, one of the more...successful...shells in the multiverse.

Yeah, want me to post what my shells done? Fuck your shell.

[Arvin]

Any spell that does 0 dmg gives 0 tp. However, ninjas DO use the elemental wheel. Particularly recently I saw a SS of Friction using elemental wheel for a stunning 2 dmg, but more importantly reducing Cerb's resistance for an incoming magic burst. Would have helped there too.

Once again, I'm going to laugh at your shell, for feeding a mob pointless tp from elemental wheel, so that your blms can feed it more pointless tp by their shitty resisted nukes on cerberus.

and I laugh at your shell for having SAMs full time melee on grand wyrms, whats your point?

yo like

sams meleeing "grand" dragons isn't even that bad aside from vrtra.

oh wait, lol. i forget its so much easier if everyone levels summoner and zergs it to death with bloodpacts

[aurik]

people say "lol sash sam" becasue he goes into every thread he can and brags about it. The only reason I am attacking Map is becasue he is using the sash and saying its the best item for SAM in that slot, which its clearly not.

As stated earlier, people bring up "lol sash sam" waaaaaay more often then I've had to defend myself for having it. And if you don't think that sash is the best thing for sam's waist, good god I hope you never play any melee job.

You're confusing "best thing for sam's waist" with "better on a sam than a ninja" You're arguing the second using arguments from the first, and it just. does. not. work.

[Map]

Any spell that does 0 dmg gives 0 tp. However, ninjas DO use the elemental wheel. Particularly recently I saw a SS of Friction using elemental wheel for a stunning 2 dmg, but more importantly reducing Cerb's resistance for an incoming magic burst. Would have helped there too.

Once again, I'm going to laugh at your shell, for feeding a mob pointless tp from elemental wheel, so that your blms can feed it more pointless tp by their shitty resisted nukes on cerberus.

and I laugh at your shell for having SAMs full time melee on grand wyrms, whats your point?

yo like

sams meleeing "grand" dragons isn't even that bad aside from vrtra.

oh wait, lol. i forget its so much easier if everyone levels summoner and zergs it to death with bloodpacts

I said that our shells keep sams in to melee our hnms, and then later clarified that was for sky/ground hnm and kings, and not for grands. Read before talk seno.

[Suiram]

people say "lol sash sam" becasue he goes into every thread he can and brags about it. The only reason I am attacking Map is becasue he is using the sash and saying its the best item for SAM in that slot, which its clearly not.

As stated earlier, people bring up "lol sash sam" waaaaaay more often then I've had to defend myself for having it. And if you don't think that sash is the best thing for sam's waist, good god I hope you never play any melee job.

You're confusing "best thing for sam's waist" with "better on a sam than a ninja" You're arguing the second using arguments from the first, and it just. does. not. work.

I do believe he was arguing against the first here.

[Tymon]

http://i7.tinypic.com/21amseg.jpg

Someone go 10 pages back and get a score of map vs the people of this board plz

[aurik]

people say "lol sash sam" becasue he goes into every thread he can and brags about it. The only reason I am attacking Map is becasue he is using the sash and saying its the best item for SAM in that slot, which its clearly not.

As stated earlier, people bring up "lol sash sam" waaaaaay more often then I've had to defend myself for having it. And if you don't think that sash is the best thing for sam's waist, good god I hope you never play any melee job.

You're confusing "best thing for sam's waist" with "better on a sam than a ninja" You're arguing the second using arguments from the first, and it just. does. not. work.

I do believe he was arguing against the first here.

You guys will have to step back, and explain to me why the sash should go to a ninja instead of a sam. Think of your arguement slowly, so you don't sound like a complete idiot.

[Tyche]

Any spell that does 0 dmg gives 0 tp. However, ninjas DO use the elemental wheel. Particularly recently I saw a SS of Friction using elemental wheel for a stunning 2 dmg, but more importantly reducing Cerb's resistance for an incoming magic burst. Would have helped there too.

Once again, I'm going to laugh at your shell, for feeding a mob pointless tp from elemental wheel, so that your blms can feed it more pointless tp by their shitty resisted nukes on cerberus.

OK, you laugh at that shell. That's Dynasty on Cerberus btw, one of the more...successful...shells in the multiverse.

Yeah, want me to post what my shells done? Fuck your shell.

I hope thats not a way to say "damn im badass for killing AV" beings you got that sash from a wall-hacked AV iirc?

[Senoska]

Let me reprase that,

I'm not sure if that was directed at me aurik but if it was; both are true.

Not only is it Not the best item for SAM in that slot, but its better for NIN, I am fighting both using both arquments. If he is going for Attack prz use Swordbelt(+1) it gives double your attack, if your wearing it for subtil blow, lol at you. If your wearing it for haste, again, lol at you. At the same time, all of these stats help NIN, there is no better equip for NIN in that slot, it helps the intire alliance by being equiped[assuming the NIN has other haste gear]

The sash would literly be better in almost every other job's hands..

[inafume]

I didn't know Charybdis spammed TP attacks. But then again I like fighting it with smaller groups and a tank (and party) geared for evasion. Sure it attacks alot, but it doesn't hit a lot, and consequently doesn't spam TP moves.

[aurik]

Any spell that does 0 dmg gives 0 tp. However, ninjas DO use the elemental wheel. Particularly recently I saw a SS of Friction using elemental wheel for a stunning 2 dmg, but more importantly reducing Cerb's resistance for an incoming magic burst. Would have helped there too.

Once again, I'm going to laugh at your shell, for feeding a mob pointless tp from elemental wheel, so that your blms can feed it more pointless tp by their shitty resisted nukes on cerberus.

OK, you laugh at that shell. That's Dynasty on Cerberus btw, one of the more...successful...shells in the multiverse.

Yeah, want me to post what my shells done? Fuck your shell.

I hope thats not a way to say "damn im badass for killing AV" beings you got that sash from a wall-hacked AV iirc?

No, I think he's saying his ground HNM shell. He's pretty ignorant of cross-server issues; he seems to not even know Dynasty is (21 ridills or something?) nor the fact I'm not even on Cerberus (hi2u from Atomos ftw)