Defending Ring (lolsash)

[Map]

My shells achievements go beyond simply killing AV. We've probably done more shit in sea than any other shell server wide, killed more nms, and gotten more drops, and we only go twice a week. I'm not impressed by what ever credentials his shell has.

[Dezzimal]

You still have not named 1 fight in which NINJAS need subtle blow because the monster is spamming tp.

Charybdis.

Nicely done.

How many pages in the last 10 minutes is that, 5? lol

So ninjas should have the ninurtas sash over sams, so they can tank Charybdis better? gtfo.

I don't see you tanking charybdis now do I?

[aurik]

I didn't know Charybdis spammed TP attacks. But then again I like fighting it with smaller groups and a tank (and party) geared for evasion. Sure it attacks alot, but it doesn't hit a lot, and consequently doesn't spam TP moves.

Doesn't need to spam TP attacks for SB to work its magic. In fact, NMs with insane automed (fafnir) SB is actually worth less than NMs where they only use TP moves when you give them TP (Chary, Tiamat, Jorm, etc).

[Map]

Let me reprase that,

I'm not sure if that was directed at me aurik but if it was; both are true.

Not only is it Not the best item for SAM in that slot, but its better for NIN, I am fighting both using both arquments. If he is going for Attack prz use Swordbelt(+1) it gives double your attack, if your wearing it for subtil blow, lol at you. If your wearing it for haste, again, lol at you. At the same time, all of these stats help NIN, there is no better equip for NIN in that slot, it helps the intire alliance by being equiped[assuming the NIN has other haste gear]

The sash would literly be better in almost every other job's hands..

This may be the third or fourth time i've said this, but you're an idiot. Sash is the best belt for sam.

[Koyangi]

I'm not gonna say SAM should get Byakko's Haidate over most of the other jobs who can use, but if a SAM has a pair, it is better than wearing Shura Haidate(for TPing).

Y hello there page 11 post completely missed lol

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Let me reprase that,

I'm not sure if that was directed at me aurik but if it was; both are true.

Not only is it Not the best item for SAM in that slot, but its better for NIN, I am fighting both using both arquments. If he is going for Attack prz use Swordbelt(+1) it gives double your attack, if your wearing it for subtil blow, lol at you. If your wearing it for haste, again, lol at you. At the same time, all of these stats help NIN, there is no better equip for NIN in that slot, it helps the intire alliance by being equiped[assuming the NIN has other haste gear]

The sash would literly be better in almost every other job's hands..

This may be the third or fourth time i've said this, but you're an idiot. Sash is the best belt for sam.

You are a taru, by far the worst race for a SAM.

[Serif]

My shells achievements go beyond simply killing AV. We've probably done more shit in sea than any other shell server wide, killed more nms, and gotten more drops, and we only go twice a week. I'm not impressed by what ever credentials his shell has.

Map for Emporer or the United States!

[Tyche]

Were 0:4 on popping AV, that makes your shell > mine? Can't rank an LS on sea achievements...other LSs just find more utility in doing other things besides sea...like dynamis lord, Vrtra/Tiamat, w/e floats your boat.

[draxyl]

No matter how much sea you do, it doesn't reduce the amount of stupidity residing between your ears.

[Suiram]

Let me reprase that,

I'm not sure if that was directed at me aurik but if it was; both are true.

Not only is it Not the best item for SAM in that slot, but its better for NIN, I am fighting both using both arquments. If he is going for Attack prz use Swordbelt(+1) it gives double your attack, if your wearing it for subtil blow, lol at you. If your wearing it for haste, again, lol at you. At the same time, all of these stats help NIN, there is no better equip for NIN in that slot, it helps the intire alliance by being equiped[assuming the NIN has other haste gear]

The sash would literly be better in almost every other job's hands..

On the argument as to whether another job should have gotten it, like I said, it has been explained many times that their LS is point-based only and for good reason. Furthermore, I've yet to read any posts by someone in their sea LS saying "Map got the sash and he didn't deserve it, it should have gone to this NIN" or whatever.

As far as saying it's not the best waist for SAM, if this was a "what's the best waist for SAM" thread and not a "Let's pick on Map" thread, i'm sure you'd have been laughed back to "ZAM" by now, as they say.

[aurik]

My shells achievements go beyond simply killing AV. We've probably done more shit in sea than any other shell server wide, killed more nms, and gotten more drops, and we only go twice a week. I'm not impressed by what ever credentials his shell has.

You're a complete fucktard.

First, let me be clear. I am not in Friction's shell. I am not on Friction's server.

I am not on RKenshin's server either, and he was probably the very first person to prototype nin/drk with katanas on Grand Wyrms, another situation where SB on the ninja would benefit the fight to a nontrivial degree.

You are not in a position to dismiss this claim. The fact that you are totally ignorant of how mobs gain TP (duh they gain TP from magic damage? y r ther so many garoodaz?) reinforces this fact. You're a melee DD, and apparently a particularly ignorant one at that. You just need to be swapped in and press your WS macros and obviously don't pay any attention to how the tank/healer parts of a NM function.

Fact remains that tebbad/gregale wings wipe shadows, and inflict nasty status ailments that cause a shitload of mp to recover completely. And a wing + double-attack during PMS mode on Tiamat could wipe out a tank from full. But you keep thinking that mob TP is unimportant, because as long as you press your macros in the right order you'll do just fine.

[Senoska]

hes saying its the best, I am saying its not. There are many other options, what did it come out to 6TP? Lol. You can get this faster buy meditating and poping sleep potions with an opo opo necklace.

I'm sure map earned it but, again, its wasted on his charater. Anywho I got to go I've got people yelling at me to go, ive been reading this thread insted of packing for meh trip~ take it easy BG, see ya tuesday ~.~;;

[inafume]

I didn't know Charybdis spammed TP attacks. But then again I like fighting it with smaller groups and a tank (and party) geared for evasion. Sure it attacks alot, but it doesn't hit a lot, and consequently doesn't spam TP moves.

Doesn't need to spam TP attacks for SB to work its magic. In fact, NMs with insane automed (fafnir) SB is actually worth less than NMs where they only use TP moves when you give them TP (Chary, Tiamat, Jorm, etc).

I understand Subtle Blow and what it's good for. I was just taking issue that someone *needed* SB for Chary. It's a easy fight when you go with the adage less is more. THF get one really awesome piece of SB gear (DH) and I still use SH when tanking Chary.

Now Ash Dragon is a much better answer. Not that it's worth fighting anymore.

[Map]

My shells achievements go beyond simply killing AV. We've probably done more shit in sea than any other shell server wide, killed more nms, and gotten more drops, and we only go twice a week. I'm not impressed by what ever credentials his shell has.

You're a complete fucktard.

First, let me be clear. I am not in Friction's shell. I am not on Friction's server.

I am not on RKenshin's server either, and he was probably the very first person to prototype nin/drk with katanas on Grand Wyrms, another situation where SB on the ninja would benefit the fight to a nontrivial degree.

You are not in a position to dismiss this claim. The fact that you are totally ignorant of how mobs gain TP (duh they gain TP from magic damage? y r ther so many garoodaz?) reinforces this fact. You're a melee DD, and apparently a particularly ignorant one at that. You just need to be swapped in and press your WS macros and obviously don't pay any attention to how the tank/healer parts of a NM function.

Fact remains that tebbad/gregale wings wipe shadows, and inflict nasty status ailments that cause a shitload of mp to recover completely. And a wing + double-attack during PMS mode on Tiamat could wipe out a tank from full. But you keep thinking that mob TP is unimportant, because as long as you press your macros in the right order you'll do just fine.

I'm not argueing that TP gain is worthless on HNM, i'm argueing that subtle blow on ninjas is for HNMs. And it is worthless. And if subtle blow is so spectacular, i might add, it's a good thing i've got 6 of it for my ws spam.

[Tom Chambers]

Clearly, the sash is the best waist item for a SAM tping, although situationally a Life Belt could come in handy...maybe.

Clearly, SeaShell is an only Sea LS so they have to run on points (which I think is the best way anyway, but that's a whole other argument). Map and the aforementioned DRK were the alone at the top.

Clearly, there's no reason to cry about who has the sash.

Clearly, people still do, and I don't fucking know why.

[Banstick]

You still have not named 1 fight in which NINJAS need subtle blow because the monster is spamming tp.

Charybdis.

Nicely done.

How many pages in the last 10 minutes is that, 5? lol

So ninjas should have the ninurtas sash over sams, so they can tank Charybdis better? gtfo.

and TT,and demonic typhia...tooo just to name some,play by your rules.
you said name 1 and i did.

[Dezzimal]

I didn't know Charybdis spammed TP attacks. But then again I like fighting it with smaller groups and a tank (and party) geared for evasion. Sure it attacks alot, but it doesn't hit a lot, and consequently doesn't spam TP moves.

Doesn't need to spam TP attacks for SB to work its magic. In fact, NMs with insane automed (fafnir) SB is actually worth less than NMs where they only use TP moves when you give them TP (Chary, Tiamat, Jorm, etc).

I understand Subtle Blow and what it's good for. I was just taking issue that someone *needed* SB for Chary. It's a easy fight when you go with the adage less is more. THF get one really awesome piece of SB gear (DH) and I still use SH when tanking Chary.

Now Ash Dragon is a much better answer. Not that it's worth fighting anymore.

Would you not contest that Chary would be easier with a ninurta's sash?

[aurik]

I didn't know Charybdis spammed TP attacks. But then again I like fighting it with smaller groups and a tank (and party) geared for evasion. Sure it attacks alot, but it doesn't hit a lot, and consequently doesn't spam TP moves.

Doesn't need to spam TP attacks for SB to work its magic. In fact, NMs with insane automed (fafnir) SB is actually worth less than NMs where they only use TP moves when you give them TP (Chary, Tiamat, Jorm, etc).

I understand Subtle Blow and what it's good for. I was just taking issue that someone *needed* SB for Chary. It's a easy fight when you go with the adage less is more. THF get one really awesome piece of SB gear (DH) and I still use SH when tanking Chary.

Now Ash Dragon is a much better answer. Not that it's worth fighting anymore.

Still worth more to have nin tank chary with sash while a sam with another belt meditate->WS. In fact, in any case where there are both a sam and nin meleeing a mob with TP moves and you must distribute a speed belt and sash between the two, ninja is a better choice to have the sash. I'll leave the math as an exercise to the reader.

[Suiram]

Clearly, there's no reason to cry about who has the sash.

Clearly, people still do, and I don't fucking know why.

It's because people who like to post on BG but have nothing useful to contribute--like Senoska or Banstick but unlike Aurik--bring it up in every other thread "lol SAM got a sash" to earn themselves cool-points. Just do a search for "sam AND sash" and you'll see what i'm talking about.

[aurik]

My shells achievements go beyond simply killing AV. We've probably done more shit in sea than any other shell server wide, killed more nms, and gotten more drops, and we only go twice a week. I'm not impressed by what ever credentials his shell has.

You're a complete fucktard.

First, let me be clear. I am not in Friction's shell. I am not on Friction's server.

I am not on RKenshin's server either, and he was probably the very first person to prototype nin/drk with katanas on Grand Wyrms, another situation where SB on the ninja would benefit the fight to a nontrivial degree.

You are not in a position to dismiss this claim. The fact that you are totally ignorant of how mobs gain TP (duh they gain TP from magic damage? y r ther so many garoodaz?) reinforces this fact. You're a melee DD, and apparently a particularly ignorant one at that. You just need to be swapped in and press your WS macros and obviously don't pay any attention to how the tank/healer parts of a NM function.

Fact remains that tebbad/gregale wings wipe shadows, and inflict nasty status ailments that cause a shitload of mp to recover completely. And a wing + double-attack during PMS mode on Tiamat could wipe out a tank from full. But you keep thinking that mob TP is unimportant, because as long as you press your macros in the right order you'll do just fine.

I'm not argueing that TP gain is worthless on HNM, i'm argueing that subtle blow on ninjas is for HNMs. And it is worthless. And if subtle blow is so spectacular, i might add, it's a good thing i've got 6 of it for my ws spam.

It's not worthless. If anything, unless you're zerging with a bunch of melee jobs or have a blm division dropping a ton of damage magic, a grand wyrm gains a good share of its TP from the nin/drk whacking it when it lands. Reducing that amount by 8-9% means less TP moves which means a smoother, faster, less dangerous fight.

And as I stated before, nin tanks give the wyrm much more TP over time than your infrequent WS "spam". Therefore, giving them the SB reduces TP given a lot more than having it on some person that occasionally swaps in to WS.