Defending Ring (lolsash)

[Dezzimal]

I don't care about discussing tiamat strategy, this whole thing spawned from nin/drk needing to melee tiamat for extra hate, and thus needing the subtle blow. If nin/drk is so great, then they wouldn't melee gd for hate and the subtle blow arguement is once against obsolete.

You throw around the word need like an STD in a brothel. Nothing is needed, it is only a question of benefit. NIN/DRK w/ ninurta's sash is inherently better than NIN/DRK without.

[Map]

at least I'll gtfo 6% faster.

[aurik]

at least I'll gtfo 6% faster.

No faster than a speed belt

[Dezzimal]

at least I'll gtfo 6% faster.

SAM herald's gaiters? WTF is this world coming to...you can't even equip those and at least get it right, its 12% faster.

[Map]

at least I'll gtfo 6% faster.

No faster than a speed belt :roll:

but i'll have that nice whopping 6 attack, and spell interuption down to boot.

[Charitwo]

You're the one replying to the Tiamat comments thus avoiding that the sash should have gone to a fucking NINJA.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

DAMNIT. Its dinner time. Pause the drama please.

[aurik]

at least I'll gtfo 6% faster.

No faster than a speed belt

but i'll have that nice whopping 6 attack, and spell interuption down to boot.

Neither of which saved you from this sound thrashing.

[Freight]

jesus fucking christ map, do you have any reading comprehension skill whatsoever? For fuck's sake.

[Ploid]

Once again gratz on the sash.

I'm sure there are ninjas out there that would love to have one (nin, drk, war, blu, heck very few job that wouldn't). I don't understand the people saying buy a speed belt and give the sash to a nin (in seashell). Why not tell him to give his osode to a bst or brd that hardly attend any where near as much as he do (example). He has the option of a JSE body right? With sash he's giving up 6 attack of swordbelt +1 for 6 haste, and subtle blow (every job can use and with he has 12 now). That's not bad at all vs 4haste and 3accu for 17 atk (swift belt). It's useful for sam, and just about any other job. Isn't that what the whole thing was about?

[Khalil]

I remember an old saying; "it's best to stay silent and let others think you may be intelligent than to open your mouth and prove them otherwise."

A NIN/DRK with proper gear like Haste+% and Enmity+ is probably better equipped to get hate than a normal equipped PLD. Not only does Souleater create a fuckton of hate, but meleeing him for added hate.

I'm sorry if you had not well equipped NINs in your LS or even meet them, but the simple fact that you've meet soo many suggest either two things;

1) there are a lot of shitty NIN tanks in Titan or
2) you're holding a grudge against NINs and simply won't allow any good ones to get through your mind

Which one is it, Map?

[Freight]

okay, we've said it's good for sams already. IT'S BETTER FOR NIN, LISTEN PLZ

edit: it's also better for pld, thf, war, drk, or even a drg as far as i'm concerned, but that's already been said

[TomodachiF]

Doesn't matter who it's better for if he deserved it and it's good for him...exactly the same arguement on NIN with Dring over pld/wars...good Nin's will use for macro swaps...not full time...does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to have like SAM not being allowed to have the Sash...

Edit: Didn't finish. No it shouldn't. If that's the case then by that same logic NIN's shouldn't be able to lot, not like it matters, 99%/100% of the people complaining shouldn't complain since they aren't even in his LS or did any of the work for it from the start

[Tom Chambers]

Once again gratz on the sash.

I'm sure there are ninjas out there that would love to have one (nin, drk, war, blu, heck very few job that wouldn't). I don't understand the people saying buy a speed belt and give the sash to a nin (in seashell). Why not tell him to give his osode to a bst or brd that hardly attend any where near as much as he do (example). He has the option of a JSE body right? With sash he's giving up 6 attack of swordbelt +1 for 6 haste, and subtle blow (every job can use and with he has 12 now). That's not bad at all vs 4haste and 3accu for 17 atk (swift belt). It's useful for sam, and just about any other job. Isn't that what the whole thing was about?

Not for them. What is it for them? Who has any fucking idea?

[aurik]

Once again gratz on the sash.

I'm sure there are ninjas out there that would love to have one (nin, drk, war, blu, heck very few job that wouldn't). I don't understand the people saying buy a speed belt and give the sash to a nin (in seashell). Why not tell him to give his osode to a bst or brd that hardly attend any where near as much as he do (example). He has the option of a JSE body right? With sash he's giving up 6 attack of swordbelt +1 for 6 haste, and subtle blow (every job can use and with he has 12 now). That's not bad at all vs 4haste and 3accu for 17 atk (swift belt). It's useful for sam, and just about any other job. Isn't that what the whole thing was about?

Not for them. What is it for them? Who has any fucking idea?

I'm pretty sure my whole argument was about why it's more useful on a ninja than a Samurai. I mean, that's what Map asked us to provide, and that is what we did provide.

[Freight]

ignorance is bliss

[Koyangi]

Just because NIN can equip a Speed Belt doesnt make the usefullness of the sash for a NIN any less legitimate, we are comparing Ninurtas Sash on NIN vs a SAM, and everything NIN's do most of the time VS what SAM's do most of the damn time, NIN fukin wins, you lose.

[Ryko]

lol what a fucking tool

[Khalil]

Haste setup is only for exp I would say.

On HNM, SAMs always have a ton of TP rdy, you will either wait for BLMs to be rdy with the recast, or for hate control or for other ppl having TP.

But when you speak of Ninurta, it's a waist equip, it can replace by Life belt because you can get accuracy from other piece and still have capped accuracy. But Ninurta on a SAM is a total waste of a good equip.

This is a quote from one of my SAM buddies in my LS. I could place a post on several other FFXI boards and see their point of view.

[Epical]

Holy shit I was gone for 4 hours and I come back and this thread has doubled in size. As of right now, five things need to happen:

1) Wafik needs to contribute his wise words to this thread.

2) Ruke needs to flame Map's ass out of the water.

3) Russta just needs to post. I love Russta.

4) Sendoh or Xav needs to nazi-ban Map for being a fucktard.

5) We add Map to the Legenday Retardation thread as an honorary member, who was accepted in with above-average retardery. Flying colors, maybe?

Serenity. 8)