Defending Ring (lolsash)

[Setats]

More off-topic:

I love that somehow "if you really want +6% haste, go get a speed belt" is really considered a valid argument for some on this matter, like Speed Belt is a really easy item to obtain.

Not like KA is botted constantly by gilsellers and other groups, and not like the belts sell for 80-150m... I mean, unless you are rich in RL and buy gil normally or you bot heavily in this game (in either case you blow in my book), it shouldn't even be considered as something you shrug off as easy to get.

Easy in comparison to Sash? Maybe in some ways for some, but that's not the argument here. In either case they both require a lot of extremely different forms of effort to obtain now, and regardless in some ways a Speed Belt is more difficult. (IE, you don't have to be able to camp at all times of the day for sea)

You could argue it's easier to get a Hauberk+1 in comparison to an Adaman Hauberk as well, and the difference between the two is very small in reality (so it's really a fair comparison). You're not much of an HNM LS though if you tell your WARs/DRKs/BSTs that they shouldn't want an Adaman Hauberk, and to go get a Hauberk+1 because it's easier to obtain for basically the same improvement.


EDIT: Made a few points more clear, before I get flamed up the ass.

This is very true. This is also the reason most HNM LS's dont buy gear for their members, but instead give them synthesis materials obtained from HNM. While something like strider boots might be just as useful as gaiters, you don't see accomplished LS's camping Simurgh to get striders to pimp their THFs. It's all about the rarity of items and the glory of the kill. This is the very reason Sash is held in such high regard.

These days I think I have a better chance of getting sash before speed belt. Of course, my LS is active in sea, so that might have something to do with it.

The above examples may not be the case for all HNM LS's, but that's generally what I see.

[Devek]

AV isn't exactly heavilly camped though... nothing stops you from getting your own sash and giving it to a nin.

[Zalius]

AV isn't exactly heavilly camped though... nothing stops you from getting your own sash and giving it to a nin.

shut the fuck up

"Nothing stops.." blahblahblah ITS AV

[RKenshin]

AV isn't exactly heavilly camped though... nothing stops you from getting your own sash and giving it to a nin.

A million factors do... Unless you prove me wrong and get yourself a Sash by the end of the week, I won't believe otherwise.

[Machazareel]

AV isn't exactly heavilly camped though... nothing stops you from getting your own sash and giving it to a nin.

Aside from the mass rape that ensues unless you somehow get his 2hr's disabled, yeah, nothing stopping you at all.

[Stellar]

I agree, my chances of getting a speed belt are slim to none.. Chances of getting to lot on Ninurta Sash all depend on how gay our next AV decides to be..

I guess the real question is.. Are all of the ninja's who would have lotted the sash against Map currently wearing speed belts? I'm gonna bet no...

[Plow]

Anyway, he challenged us to name "one good reason". I named 2, and he says "oh they don't count". Righto then.

Your 2 points weren't any good at all. Your first point was that sams don't need haste, cause they can get tp else wear. You fail to realize that with more haste, sams can get even more tp. Your second point you never defended, and have failed to bring up an instance where subtle blow is a factor in a fight.

I don't interject in every thread about the sash. Infact, I pass up almost all the cheap shots you guys try and take at me or my shell. Here i'm finally standing up to your guy's beligerance, and you have not lived up to talk.

Ok first off I want to say I agree with the person who mentioned that, unlike WoW, you don't need x people to have x gear to beat *anything* in ffxi. Really. Quite literally every mob in this entire game (ok maybe not av....) could be beaten by an entire group of people in full af1.

But I have a couple reasons why it's better for nin:

Haste: Sure, it's cool for sams. But haste on nin = utsusemi recast down = best use in the game, bar none. Period. There's just no arguing against that.

Spell interrupt: Rather you care about this or not, the best job for this stat is nin, followed closely by pld and tanking wars. Once again, there's really no argument against that.

Subtle blow: Once again, ninjas melee mobs more than any job (monks situationally, but overall ninjas will be engaged the most), so once again, they'll get the most use out of it.

Attack: Meh.


3/4 stats on the belt there is basically no arguing that nin uses more. I kinda skipped about 10 pages of this thread but from what I saw no one appeared to be spelling it out quite so simply because these things are just common sense for anyone that understands the mechanics of fights.

[Eaglestrike]

I agree, my chances of getting a speed belt are slim to none.. Chances of getting to lot on Ninurta Sash all depend on how gay our next AV decides to be..

I guess the real question is.. Are all of the ninja's who would have lotted the sash against Map currently wearing speed belts? I'm gonna bet no...

Upon talking to someone in Map's LS, it was explained to me that they didn't really have many active NIN's in the LS and Map was tied with a drk + 2x mage job (or something) for most points. The main nin's had like half as many points if they were still in the LS.

[Uubu]

you missed the point that people don't care if Map has the sash or not, its the fact that hes being a flaming turd trying to justify the use for sam over nin.

[Lordwafik]

you missed the point that people don't care if Map has the sash or not, its the fact that hes being a flaming turd trying to justify the use for sam over nin.

i agree with this post.

[Eaglestrike]

you missed the point that people don't care if Map has the sash or not, its the fact that hes being a flaming turd trying to justify the use for sam over nin.

i agree with this post.

I do too, flame away he is being stupid about it. But there is a reason why he has the sash. I'm sure there's a reason he's stupid too, but that didn't originate with the Sash.

[neophytal]

you missed the point that people don't care if Map has the sash or not, its the fact that hes being a flaming turd trying to justify the use for sam over nin.

i agree with this post.

I do too, flame away he is being stupid about it. But there is a reason why he has the sash. I'm sure there's a reason he's stupid too, but that didn't originate with the Sash.

wow lol

[Kaylia]

If people want to argue about giving the belt of the OMGTank, we should give it to PLD/NIN since they can't equip speed belt as far as I can remember, and they would benefit from the chance to avoid being interupted as much as ninja.

Having other alternative that will do the same damn shit in any situation (difference less than 1%), it's just a e-penis gear that everyone should have the right to have. Novio going to a WHM is lame, ninurta going to any melee is fine.

There is loot distribution trouble far more serious than this one. I don't even understand why people argue about the benefit in this case.



Ontopic offtopic, chance of interupt seem to be a real percent added early. On war/nin, when I was dual wielding wood/maneater, I wasn't interupted like 1/20, maybe a little more but not much ( woodvile has 5% chance). Since I got a ridill and use maneater, I get interupted a lot less than this on xp mobs and higher). It's possible there is a cap at 25% for gear, because I never really noticed it going higher on job like blm wth A+ in the skill. (as opposed to sub level skill)

[Scar]

PLDs can wear Speed Belt.

Level: 55
Flags: Rare
Slot: Waist
Type: Armor: Belt
Jobs: BRD BLU BST COR DRK DRG NIN PLD RDM RNG SAM THF WAR
Races: All
Defense: 0
Auction House Category:
Armor / Waist
Effects for Speed Belt:
Haste +6%

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/1868

[Raineer]

PLD can use speed belt.

[Kaylia]

Damn, thought they could not. Anyway, pld can use the belt just the same for HNM then

[Khamsin]

If people want to argue about giving the belt of the OMGTank, we should give it to PLD/NIN since they can't equip speed belt as far as I can remember, and they would benefit from the chance to avoid being interupted as much as ninja.

Having other alternative that will do the same damn shit in any situation (difference less than 1%), it's just a e-penis gear that everyone should have the right to have. Novio going to a WHM is lame, ninurta going to any melee is fine.

There is loot distribution trouble far more serious than this one. I don't even understand why people argue about the benefit in this case.

Would you have said the same about Ridill, and offered to let SAMs and THFs lot, too?

[Sci]

Instead of more complaining, I'll pose a more interesting question (and a further derail from defending rings). If a Mars Ring dropped (I don't think one did) would Map have lotted that instead?

Map himself said lolsubtle blow, lolspell interrupt. So he got the sash for +6 atk over a speed belt. Mars Ring is +8 atk and +1 acc over a Sniper+1/Toreadors.

Let's face it, probably no one is ever going to be able to get both Ninurta's Sash and a Mars Ring. So I would honestly think that any DD job would prefer the Ring. Since Speed Belt + Mars Ring > Ninurta's Sash + Sniper+1 for pure melee stats.

[Kaylia]

There is loot distribution trouble far more serious than this one. I don't even understand why people argue about the benefit in this case.

Would you have said the same about Ridill, and offered to let SAMs and THFs lot, too?[/quote]


If there was another 39 dmg sword that multi proc 2-3 time that cost 40m, I could care less if a thf or anything would outlot me on Ridill, as long they can get any benefit from it.

It's the *best* sam's belt, so yeah, I don't have any problem with that. Sam don't really use sword, so it would be lame if one lot on ridill.

[Senoska]

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