Defending Ring (lolsash)

[Sasarai]

It's the *best* sam's belt, so yeah, I don't have any problem with that. Sam don't really use sword, so it would be lame if one lot on ridill.

Situationally it COULD be the best SAM belt, though even in these situations it isn't that much better than the alternatives.

This is the best NIN belt in all situations.

[Kaylia]

It's the *best* sam's belt, so yeah, I don't have any problem with that. Sam don't really use sword, so it would be lame if one lot on ridill.

Situationally it COULD be the best SAM belt, though even in these situations it isn't that much better than the alternatives.

This is the best NIN belt in all situations.

Explain me the bolded part please. What would you use for TP gain? Lifebelt wont do much on merit mob and less (95% of the game), and it's still better on HNM. On WS, no one would use ninurta

Try explaining the relation between both underlined part. Yeah, if you use those word, it does look 34958544 betters for nin, but it's not the case. As a matter of fact, only the 6% haste really matter, and for this, you already have speed belt.


It makes me laugh people are being so nitpick about ninurta sash when on stuff like rajas ring, people laugh at the subtle blow/tp store.

[Senoska]

NIN use it for spells, melee too, sam use it for ATT sence haste isnt even a factor for them. Its useless for SAM.

[Beowulf]

Instead of more complaining, I'll pose a more interesting question (and a further derail from defending rings). If a Mars Ring dropped (I don't think one did) would Map have lotted that instead?

Map himself said lolsubtle blow, lolspell interrupt. So he got the sash for +6 atk over a speed belt. Mars Ring is +8 atk and +1 acc over a Sniper+1/Toreadors.

Let's face it, probably no one is ever going to be able to get both Ninurta's Sash and a Mars Ring. So I would honestly think that any DD job would prefer the Ring. Since Speed Belt + Mars Ring > Ninurta's Sash + Sniper+1 for pure melee stats.

A Mars's Ring did drop, and map did not lot it, it went to someone else in the linkshell.

[amlaruil]

Bhaflau Thickets merit party = sam/nin, problem solved.

[Beowulf]

NIN use it for spells, melee too, sam use it for ATT sence haste isnt even a factor for them. Its useless for SAM.

???
I don't understand this at all... how would ANY melee job not care about increasing attack speed? Just because they get Meditate does not mean they don't also build TP from melee swings. Not everyone can fight a mob with 4+ SAMs to swap in.

[Senoska]

what dont you understand? SAM isnt about dot its about weaponskills. The sash is totaly useless for SAM unless your talking about the attack, that sword belt +1 doubles.

[Kaylia]

NIN use it for spells, melee too, sam use it for ATT sence haste isnt even a factor for them. Its useless for SAM.

The only thing nin has in their favor over the best alternative is 6% chance not to be interupted. It's nice but doesnt worth 50 pages of BG drama. It wont turn Ninurta nash into the belt that is 345834054 times better.


It's obvious 6% haste alone will do more for a ninja than a Sam, and no one is arguing about this. However, the fact they can get it (or 4%) haste somewhere else make this belt a epenis item that is marginally stronger in any circumstance for all those melee job.

[Machazareel]

what dont you understand? SAM isnt about dot its about weaponskills. The sash is totaly useless for SAM unless your talking about the attack, that sword belt +1 doubles.

lol, wrong. You know what SAMs need to do weaponskills, right? You know that haste increases the rate you get that commodity, right? SAM is totally reliant on TP gain so that it can use weaponskills. Haste increases the rate a sam gets TP. Almost every sam who owns it TPs in Byakko's Haidate, and it's not because of the +15 DEX.

Haste is great for any melee DD during the TP'ing process.

[Senoska]

yes, there are alterinitives thats not what I'm talking about, this item is -TOTALY WORTHLESS TO SAM-. Ive said it before I dont care map got it thats not why I'm posting here I'm posting here because he, and others, fight for the fact this is the end all be all belt for SAM, and you can justify it going to SAM insted of nin.


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lol, wrong. You know what SAMs need to do weaponskills, right? You know that haste increases the rate you get that commodity, right? SAM is totally reliant on TP gain so that it can use weaponskills. Haste increases the rate a sam gets TP. Almost every sam who owns it TPs in Byakko's Haidate, and it's not because of the +15 DEX.

Haste is great for any melee DD during the TP'ing process.

you get 4% TP over other SAMs with the belt, if it went to NIN they would drop recast times off all of their spells and would be able to use utsu and hate spells sooner, its NIN > SAM stop fighting otherwise.

[Machazareel]

I didn't, you illiterate retard. I'm refuting you saying it's useless, when it isn't. Never said that it was SAM > NIN. There's no question that it has more utility for a NIN than a SAM, but saying that a swordbelt +1 would be better for a SAM is plain stupid.

[qatsi2]

Probably round 2000 posts on this topic, and people are making the same 3 or 4 arguments over and over. Is there any way for someone to make a multiple-choice list for people to choose from? That way this circular-debate could progress much more efficiently, and would look something like this:

A.

B.

C...

A!!!

[Mephisto]

what dont you understand? SAM isnt about dot its about weaponskills. The sash is totaly useless for SAM unless your talking about the attack, that sword belt +1 doubles.

3 years ago the majority of the FFXI community would agree with you.

Except now, we're no longer retarded.

[Kaylia]

yes, there are alterinitives thats not what I'm talking about, this item is -TOTALY WORTHLESS TO SAM-. Ive said it before I dont care map got it thats not why I'm posting here I'm posting here because he, and others, fight for the fact this is the end all be all belt for SAM, and you can justify it going to SAM insted of nin.


edit:

lol, wrong. You know what SAMs need to do weaponskills, right? You know that haste increases the rate you get that commodity, right? SAM is totally reliant on TP gain so that it can use weaponskills. Haste increases the rate a sam gets TP. Almost every sam who owns it TPs in Byakko's Haidate, and it's not because of the +15 DEX.

Haste is great for any melee DD during the TP'ing process.

you get 4% TP over other SAMs with the belt, if it went to NIN they would drop recast times off all of their spells and would be able to use utsu and hate spells sooner, its NIN > SAM stop fighting otherwise.

You get 4% more DoT while we are at it., not 4% more tp. Add 6% haste and you get almost 10% more dmg than a sam who is naked in those slot.

Parse a nin with speed belt vs a nin with ninurta and you will get exact same result too (6atk wont change much)


This is the best belt for SAM (unless there JSE belt has awesome stats, but I dont remember seeing anything about it)

[Senoska]

longposthere

Sorry I'm wording my post oddly trying to multitask here. I'm refering to an HNM situation. I will admit in EXP by all means go for it, great belt. But as far as HNM's etc go this belt is worthless. Assuming you have more then 1 SAM the TP your getting wont metter because you need to wait to be swiched into the alliance.

[Demosthenes11]

you missed the point that people don't care if Map has the sash or not, its the fact that hes being a flaming turd trying to justify the use for sam over nin.

i agree with this post.

I do too, flame away he is being stupid about it. But there is a reason why he has the sash. I'm sure there's a reason he's stupid too, but that didn't originate with the Sash.

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[Khamsin]

Instead of more complaining, I'll pose a more interesting question (and a further derail from defending rings). If a Mars Ring dropped (I don't think one did) would Map have lotted that instead?

Map himself said lolsubtle blow, lolspell interrupt. So he got the sash for +6 atk over a speed belt. Mars Ring is +8 atk and +1 acc over a Sniper+1/Toreadors.

Let's face it, probably no one is ever going to be able to get both Ninurta's Sash and a Mars Ring. So I would honestly think that any DD job would prefer the Ring. Since Speed Belt + Mars Ring > Ninurta's Sash + Sniper+1 for pure melee stats.

A Mars's Ring did drop, and map did not lot it, it went to someone else in the linkshell.

Ironically, it's Map that probably should have got the Mars Ring.

[Kaylia]

longposthere

Sorry I'm wording my post oddly trying to multitask here. I'm refering to an HNM situation. I will admit in EXP by all means go for it, great belt. But as far as HNM's etc go this belt is worthless. Assuming you have more then 1 SAM the TP your getting wont metter because you need to be swiched into the alliance.

It's not uncommon to have your melee...melee the HNM now.

Anyway, how many mobs are dangerous to the point where you would default the biggest epenis item to a nin for 6% chance not to be interupted . It's not large enough to ever make a difference.

[Senoska]

its not about spell intupt rate, there are alterintives to this belt, that I totaly 110% agree with, speed belt is one. But if this belt were to go to someone it shoulda gone to a NIN. I agree again its a epeen item, but again, it shoulda been on a NIN. If map had 15x the points or what ever he had over the NIN thats cool congrats on the sash map. Wear it as Epeen but dont try and justify it being greater then every belt in the game, dont go into random threads [like this one] and brag about it.

[Jeryhn]

Instead of more complaining, I'll pose a more interesting question (and a further derail from defending rings). If a Mars Ring dropped (I don't think one did) would Map have lotted that instead?

Map himself said lolsubtle blow, lolspell interrupt. So he got the sash for +6 atk over a speed belt. Mars Ring is +8 atk and +1 acc over a Sniper+1/Toreadors.

Let's face it, probably no one is ever going to be able to get both Ninurta's Sash and a Mars Ring. So I would honestly think that any DD job would prefer the Ring. Since Speed Belt + Mars Ring > Ninurta's Sash + Sniper+1 for pure melee stats.

A Mars's Ring did drop, and map did not lot it, it went to someone else in the linkshell.

Ironically, it's Map that probably should have got the Mars Ring.

ePenis wins over stats every time.