Defending Ring (lolsash)

[chilicheese]

FACT: parade gorget > d.ring

[DeadLegend]

Considering you probably have to trade the D ring to the scrawled writing to pop Wolfman, I'd hope so.

[Khalil]

I thought the whole purpose of having a ninja tank is that he doesn't get hit?

We use a point system/job priority system, it's rather complicated but it determines pretty much who gets what loot. I rather reward those attending alot of stuff then who's job got the most use of it.

Someone here mentioned what i had in mind, which is that you don't need any of the big items to kill everything in the game. Everything beyond the 'usual' gear is just toys and nothing but toys.

I complete agree with you.

But, I could also flip the coin here. Say a WHM was raiding hardcore attending every raid possible and make good friends with everyone. Now, the LS did JoL and parchment or whatever for Novio Earring dropped. Now, let's say that the WHM didn't have a BLM job and didn't show any intention of lving it, would you let him lot it because he had the most attendance or points? Obviously, if it did go to him, it would be a waste of equip going to a a hard-earned person.

I think in the end of the day, it all comes to the lesser of two evils. Would you rather give it to a person who will make use of it or a person who busted his ass off but will make no use of it?

Let's also hypothetically say there were BLMs that were a point or two behind this WHM, and while this WHM did have the most points, it was by a very small margin.

I remember Map's case. Nor trying to sound rude or anything, Map, just trying to prove a point. Map is a Leader of his Sea LS, so naturally he had one of the most attendance points. When his LS beat AV, a NIN and Map /randomed for Nirnurta's Sash; Map won.

Now, if I was a leader and saw that a SAM or NIN would be lotting it, I would at least which had the most attendance first. Then, followed by the usefulness of the item on which char. If Map had no intention of leveling a job that could make use of it, and the other NIN had competing attendance points, I wouldn't hesitate to give it to the NIN. Then again, I wasn't there so I can't speak.

[Syncere]

Someone here mentioned what i had in mind, which is that you don't need any of the big items to kill everything in the game. Everything beyond the 'usual' gear is just toys and nothing but toys.

I do agree you dont need big items to kill everything in the game BUT, anything beyond that isnt toys >_>. Anything on top of normal gear determines how smooth/effective the fight goes. With aegis+D.ring instead of taking 250-300dmg when tiamat is in the air, you will only be taking 150-200. With that being said, One tank can easily hold tiamat for God knows how long with a small support grp.

Edit: Toys = lolspiders /w Mandau

[Raineer]

I do agree you dont need big items to kill everything in the game BUT, anything beyond that isnt toys >_>. Anything on top of normal gear determines how smooth/effective the fight goes.

Amazing how that concept is completely lost on so many.

[chilicheese]

Someone here mentioned what i had in mind, which is that you don't need any of the big items to kill everything in the game. Everything beyond the 'usual' gear is just toys and nothing but toys.

I do agree you dont need big items to kill everything in the game BUT, anything beyond that isnt toys >_>. Anything on top of normal gear determines how smooth/effective the fight goes. With aegis+D.ring instead of taking 250-300dmg when tiamat is in the air, you will only be taking 150-200. With that being said, One tank can easily hold tiamat for God knows how long with a small support grp.

Edit: Toys = lolspiders /w Mandau

or your tank could just bring a fire resistance setup to switch into when he flies... but w/e

[Anyway]

I thought the whole purpose of having a ninja tank is that he doesn't get hit?

We use a point system/job priority system, it's rather complicated but it determines pretty much who gets what loot. I rather reward those attending alot of stuff then who's job got the most use of it.

Someone here mentioned what i had in mind, which is that you don't need any of the big items to kill everything in the game. Everything beyond the 'usual' gear is just toys and nothing but toys.

I complete agree with you.

But, I could also flip the coin here. Say a WHM was raiding hardcore attending every raid possible and make good friends with everyone. Now, the LS did JoL and parchment or whatever for Novio Earring dropped. Now, let's say that the WHM didn't have a BLM job and didn't show any intention of lving it, would you let him lot it because he had the most attendance or points? Obviously, if it did go to him, it would be a waste of equip going to a a hard-earned person.

I think in the end of the day, it all comes to the lesser of two evils. Would you rather give it to a person who will make use of it or a person who busted his ass off but will make no use of it?

Let's also hypothetically say there were BLMs that were a point or two behind this WHM, and while this WHM did have the most points, it was by a very small margin.

I remember Map's case. Nor trying to sound rude or anything, Map, just trying to prove a point. Map is a Leader of his Sea LS, so naturally he had one of the most attendance points. When his LS beat AV, a NIN and Map /randomed for Nirnurta's Sash; Map won.

Now, if I was a leader and saw that a SAM or NIN would be lotting it, I would at least which had the most attendance first. Then, followed by the usefulness of the item on which char. If Map had no intention of leveling a job that could make use of it, and the other NIN had competing attendance points, I wouldn't hesitate to give it to the NIN. Then again, I wasn't there so I can't speak.

And your argument just failed because he isn't. "I'm leveling Corsair."

[Map]

You guys will have to step back, and explain to me why the sash should go to a ninja instead of a sam. Think of your arguement slowly, so you don't sound like a complete idiot.

[Dezzimal]

You guys will have to step back, and explain to me why the sash should go to a ninja instead of a sam. Think of your arguement slowly, so you don't sound like a complete idiot.

Does 6% haste lower your meditate timer while you're waiting to get swapped in to WS tiamat? QED

[Volken]

You guys will have to step back, and explain to me why the sash should go to a ninja instead of a sam. Think of your arguement slowly, so you don't sound like a complete idiot.

Does 6% haste lower your meditate timer while you're waiting to get swapped in to WS tiamat? QED

No, he obviously needs the -6% spell interruption rate for when he's SAM/NIN tanking everything his LS fights.

[Map]

Does a speed belt not do the same thing, but is infinately easier to get? You guys will have to do better than a Haste Arguement as to why a ninja should get the sash over a sam.

[Miji]

You guys will have to step back, and explain to me why the sash should go to a ninja instead of a sam. Think of your arguement slowly, so you don't sound like a complete idiot.

You know you shouldn't try to justify this one job-wise. Just say you wanted it, and you got it. Case closed.

[Senoska]

Does a speed belt not do the same thing, but is infinately easier to get? You guys will have to do better than a Haste Arguement as to why a ninja should get the sash over a sam.

Becasue it does nothing for you maybe?

[Volken]

He has no way to justify it, and LOL@ Map asking the question as if he's not going to get curb stomped as usual.

[Map]

Does a speed belt not do the same thing, but is infinately easier to get? You guys will have to do better than a Haste Arguement as to why a ninja should get the sash over a sam.

Becasue it does nothing for you maybe?

You're an idiot.

You guys have still not posted a single viable reason as to why it's better for a ninja than a sam. You disappoint me.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Does a speed belt not do the same thing, but is infinately easier to get? You guys will have to do better than a Haste Arguement as to why a ninja should get the sash over a sam.

ya atk n sutle blo sux

[Senoska]

Does a speed belt not do the same thing, but is infinately easier to get? You guys will have to do better than a Haste Arguement as to why a ninja should get the sash over a sam.

Becasue it does nothing for you maybe?

You're an idiot.

You guys have still not posted a single viable reason as to why it's better for a ninja than a sam. You disappoint me.

give me a reason SAM should get it over NIN

[Map]

give me a reason SAM should get it over NIN

I'm assuming you're taking this approach cause you actually can't think of a good reason it should go to a ninja over a sam.

[Senoska]

No I am asking because it doesnt support SAM at all, all of the stats help NIN, but not one of them help SAM [there are better gear options]

[Khalil]

You guys will have to step back, and explain to me why the sash should go to a ninja instead of a sam. Think of your arguement slowly, so you don't sound like a complete idiot.

I'm not saying the Sash should go to a NIN, but rather it would make more use if a NIN user had it.

Think of a the stats for a min. Haste+% gear is very useful on certain jobs like NINs and WARs. They increase their overall speed and decrease the recast timers.

Subtle Blow+% again is used for jobs that attack pretty consistently like NINs and MNKs.

Attack+...pretty self-explanatory.

Spell interruption -% good for jobs that are actually casting some form of magic.

If you sum all this down, a SAM could make use of the little attack+6 only. Rest is pretty much useless, from what I can see.

Again, I'm not saying the Sash should go to a NIN over a SAM, just saying there are more benefits for a NIN than a SAM.