Defending Ring (lolsash)

[Map]

Nobody cares about the sash for the spell interuption or the subtle blow, and to say so is a blatent stupid lie. So try again.

This is fucking epic retardation, I had to requote it because I can't look away...

It's still true, most ninjas just don't merit spell interuption rate or subtle blow, and they certainly don't wear gear that stacks these effects. Ninjas don't care about these stats.

[ps2user]

spell casting interruption down is the most useless status in FFXI, even its +100%.

[Map]

1) With the more haste, sams get more tp from melee (and even more with meditate) and as a result get in more ws per fight. You can't say that other jobs make better use of haste becuase with it they can keep up with a sam's ws rate, why not just let the sam get in more ws per fight and do more damage?

so haste gives you more TP with meditate now?

) With the more haste, sams get more tp from melee (and even more (TP) with meditate) etc... you interpretted the sentence incorrectly.

[aurik]

1) SAM builds TP with meditate often. Meditate doesn't rely on haste. Any other job whose task it is to build TP would get more use (100% is more than "less than 100%") Therefore, for any DD job who uses TP, the sash is better than on a SAM.

2) SAM is usually switched in just for WS. WS give practically static amounts of TP to the mob; in a SAM's case, about 18 TP per hit. Subtle blow +6 reduces this by a paltry 1 TP per SAM ws; over the course of a fight this is virtually never going to be noticeable. On the other hand, every time ninja casts ninjutsu and deals damage, which one will typically be spamming for hate while tanking a hnm that is hard to hit, the mob gains a fixed amount of TP (10%?). In addition to Ninja's natural +25 SB, the sash will reduce the TP that the hnm gets from the ninja tank by an additional 8%. Therefore, for mob TP gain reasons, the sash is better on a NIN.

1) With the more haste, sams get more tp from melee (and even more with meditate) and as a result get in more ws per fight. You can't say that other jobs make better use of haste becuase with it they can keep up with a sam's ws rate, why not just let the sam get in more ws per fight and do more damage?

2) In my shell, we don't swap sams out, we leave them in. They are pretty much the most valuable melee on hnm, as they constantly set up skill chains with each other and all the other melee. Haste helps them continually set up these chains. And I still maintain that nobody gives a fuck about subtle blow.

1) And yet you completely fail to see the point. You only utilize haste for (let's say) 66% of your TP gain. Therefore 6% haste only speeds up your overall TP gain by 4%. Whereas 6% haste on another melee speeds up their TP gain by 6%.

2) GJ leaving your sams in when Tiamat / Jorm fly. Building TP with bow and arrow? And, we're talking about SUBTLE BLOW in the second point so please focus. 8% (or 8.5% w/ max SB merit) less TP gained from a ninja tank is quite a lot when they are using elemental powders for hate.

[Mifaco]

wow, I'm sure you needed that 6% haste for your drain macro, eh?

why not just let the sam get in more ws per fight and do more damage?

because -3 seconds on Utsusemi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for each swing from your 427 delay katana

[Map]

wow, I'm sure you needed that 6% haste for your drain macro, eh?

why not just let the sam get in more ws per fight and do more damage?

because -3 seconds on Utsusemi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for each swing from your 427 delay katana

You want 6% haste, buy a fucking speed belt, it's a lot easier, try again.

[Senoska]

wow, I'm sure you needed that 6% haste for your drain macro, eh?

why not just let the sam get in more ws per fight and do more damage?

because -3 seconds on Utsusemi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for each swing from your 427 delay katana

You want 6% haste, buy a fucking speed belt, it's a lot easier, try again.

does anyone else see the irony of this post?

[Thames]

Why does Map think he's winning? o.o

[Mifaco]

wow, I'm sure you needed that 6% haste for your drain macro, eh?

why not just let the sam get in more ws per fight and do more damage?

because -3 seconds on Utsusemi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for each swing from your 427 delay katana

You want 6% haste, buy a fucking speed belt, it's a lot easier, try again.

and you didn't buy a speed belt because? obviously, haste is very important to you, i'm sure seeing that % sign in your belt slot makes you feel all fuzzy inside.

[Ashur]

Does a speed belt not do the same thing, but is infinately easier to get?

Before the sash, I used a swift belt, which actually gave attack down, so this was a nice step up in attack for me.

If speed belt is so much easier to get than the sash, why did you use a swift belt before?

[Epical]

With the more haste, sams get more tp from melee (and even more with meditate) and as a result get in more ws per fight. You can't say that other jobs make better use of haste becuase with it they can keep up with a sam's ws rate, why not just let the sam get in more ws per fight and do more damage?

I wish I had enough room in my sig to quote this. You're so stupid. Where's Wafik? AURIK GET WAFIK IN HERE.

[Syncere]

wow, I'm sure you needed that 6% haste for your drain macro, eh?

why not just let the sam get in more ws per fight and do more damage?

because -3 seconds on Utsusemi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for each swing from your 427 delay katana

You want 6% haste, buy a fucking speed belt, it's a lot easier, try again.

does anyone else see the irony of this post?

Buy a speed belt and give the Sash to a NIN?

[Volken]

Nobody cares about the sash for the spell interuption or the subtle blow, and to say so is a blatent stupid lie. So try again.

This is fucking epic retardation, I had to requote it because I can't look away...

It's still true, most ninjas just don't merit spell interuption rate or subtle blow, and they certainly don't wear gear that stacks these effects. Ninjas don't care about these stats.

Right, so because there's a more important choice in that merit category, and ninja's don't focus their gear around spell interruption rate, it means that spell interruption rate down never helps NIN's?

[Mifaco]

wow, I'm sure you needed that 6% haste for your drain macro, eh?

why not just let the sam get in more ws per fight and do more damage?

because -3 seconds on Utsusemi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for each swing from your 427 delay katana

You want 6% haste, buy a fucking speed belt, it's a lot easier, try again.

does anyone else see the irony of this post?

Buy a speed belt and give the Sash to a NIN?

No no, see, that would be the logical thing to do, but since he's the leader and he's entitled to everything important in his shell, he gets the sash.

[Map]

1) And yet you completely fail to see the point. You only utilize haste for (let's say) 66% of your TP gain. Therefore 6% haste only speeds up your overall TP gain by 4%. Whereas 6% haste on another melee speeds up their TP gain by 6%.

2) GJ leaving your sams in when Tiamat / Jorm fly. Building TP with bow and arrow? And, we're talking about SUBTLE BLOW in the second point so please focus. 8% (or 8.5% w/ max SB merit) less TP gained from a ninja tank is quite a lot when they are using elemental powders for hate.

1) I don't think you're seeing the point. Sam still utilizes the haste 100% of the time. Just because sams have meditate, can't mean they don't have use for more haste. I use my tp at exactly 100%, with the haste I get to 100% faster. There's no way you can argue that haste isn't just as good for sam. You sound like you're just complaining that sams get tp faster than other melee, and hence shouldn't get the haste.

2) Ok, we swap sams out on grands, I was referring to ground kings/hnm. But why would ninjas need the sash more for tiamat? 6% haste means i get tp faster to TA the plds tanking~ our ninjas do the bitchwork of adds. I'm also hard pressed to think of an HNM where ninjas stack their Subtle blow because "Oh noez guyz, we're feeding it too much tp, put on your subtle blow gearz."

[Syncere]

wow, I'm sure you needed that 6% haste for your drain macro, eh?

why not just let the sam get in more ws per fight and do more damage?

because -3 seconds on Utsusemi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for each swing from your 427 delay katana

You want 6% haste, buy a fucking speed belt, it's a lot easier, try again.

does anyone else see the irony of this post?

Buy a speed belt and give the Sash to a NIN?

No no, see, that would be the logical thing to do, but since he's the leader and he's entitled to everything important in his shell, he gets the sash.

nonono, he needs the Sash to tie down his huge E-peeen

[Koyangi]

I'm not gonna say SAM should get Byakko's Haidate over most of the other jobs who can use, but if a SAM has a pair, it is better than wearing Shura Haidate(for TPing).

[ps2user]

Keep trying BG.

OK MAP, since you said NIN's don't and shouldn't care about spell interruption rate, it's true!! LOL?

its true its very true.
unless you are fighting rabbits outside of sandy, and you got hit when you are casting. the spelll casting interruption down effect may help you.
or else spell casting interruption down dont help at all, thought its been tested and proved, only idiots dont know that.

[aurik]

wow, I'm sure you needed that 6% haste for your drain macro, eh?

why not just let the sam get in more ws per fight and do more damage?

because -3 seconds on Utsusemi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for each swing from your 427 delay katana

You want 6% haste, buy a fucking speed belt, it's a lot easier, try again.

does anyone else see the irony of this post?

Buy a speed belt and give the Sash to a NIN?

Sell the sash for 3-4 speed belts (plus a fuckton of gil for yourself!), keep one and give the others to ninjas in the shell.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

1) And yet you completely fail to see the point. You only utilize haste for (let's say) 66% of your TP gain. Therefore 6% haste only speeds up your overall TP gain by 4%. Whereas 6% haste on another melee speeds up their TP gain by 6%.

2) GJ leaving your sams in when Tiamat / Jorm fly. Building TP with bow and arrow? And, we're talking about SUBTLE BLOW in the second point so please focus. 8% (or 8.5% w/ max SB merit) less TP gained from a ninja tank is quite a lot when they are using elemental powders for hate.

1) I don't think you're seeing the point. Sam still utilizes the haste 100% of the time. Just because sams have meditate, can't mean they don't have use for more haste. I use my tp at exactly 100%, with the haste I get to 100% faster. There's no way you can argue that haste isn't just as good for sam. You sound like you're just complaining that sams get tp faster than other melee, and hence shouldn't get the haste.

2) Ok, we swap sams out on grands, I was referring to ground kings/hnm. But why would ninjas need the sash more for tiamat? 6% haste means i get tp faster to TA the plds tanking~ our ninjas do the bitchwork of adds. I'm also hard pressed to think of an HNM where ninjas stack their Subtle blow because "Oh noez guyz, we're feeding it too much tp, put on your subtle blow gearz."

1) I thought you SC'd. I've never seen any group of people so amazingly coordinated the second they break 100 tp they sc.

2) Right. Because nobody worries about TP on HNM. We all throw a bunch of ridill wars on every hnm dont we.