Defending Ring (lolsash)

[Map]

You guys are basing all your arguements on:

1) Sam has less use for haste. This is false, and you are wrong. And even if this were the case, any other job can go out and get a speed belt, which is infinately easier to get.

2) Subtle Blow is just this overwhelmingly awesome stat, that anything that enhances this should go to a nin over any other job, cause subtle blow is that awesome.

[balthy]

listen im sure that someone else could make better use of it, melee smn for instance, but there are so many people in the game that have pointless gear, and would be better suited on a different player, like brd with a mandau ^^

[DeadLegend]

Does a speed belt not do the same thing, but is infinately easier to get?

Before the sash, I used a swift belt, which actually gave attack down, so this was a nice step up in attack for me.

If speed belt is so much easier to get than the sash, why did you use a swift belt before?

This win by a 1post went overlooked

[Mifaco]

Sam has less use for haste. This is false, and you are wrong. And even if this were the case, any other job can go out and get a speed belt, which is infinately easier to get.

WHY HELLO THERE STRAW MAN

Sam certainly has less use for Haste than Ninja. You don't see WHMs hasting SAMs first, unless they're retarded(which you are). See my previous post re: speed belt.

[Senoska]

YOU LOOSE MAP

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

We arent saying NIN alone is a better choice. We're saying ANYTHING is a better choice. DRK, WAR, THF, NIN, even PLD. Any of those would have been worthwhile for this. Notice: SAM is not on that list. SAM has other things to worry about. Store TP and acc are SAM's important stats for TP gain.

[aurik]

You guys are basing all your arguements on:

1) Sam has less use for haste. This is false, and you are wrong. And even if this were the case, any other job can go out and get a speed belt, which is infinately easier to get.

2) Subtle Blow is just this overwhelmingly awesome stat, that anything that enhances this should go to a nin over any other job, cause subtle blow is that awesome.

1) You're STILL missing the point. Sash enhances your TP-UP performance by less than 6% because a good percentage of your TP is gained in a non-haste-sensitive manner. Sash enhances other melees TP-UP performance by the full 6%. So, they're getting more of an overall enhancement to their TP-UP phase than you are.

2) SB is pretty good, actually. It is a non-negligible benefit since one of the best items they can otherwise wear in the slot if 6% haste without the subtle blow. On the contrary, SAM doesn't put the stat to use hardly at all due to the nature of gaining TP for HNM.

[Map]

I personally didn't have the money for a speed belt. It is still fact that it's easier to get a speed belt than the sash though, you'd be an idiot to argue against that.

[Senoska]

I personally didn't have the money for a speed belt. It is still fact that it's easier to get a speed belt than the sash though, you'd be an idiot to argue against that.

you'd be an idiot to arque the sash is good for SAM too but for some reason you are.

[Devek]

They are just sad they can't wear black belt.. so they are taking their anger out on Map.

[aurik]

Actually I have and wear a black belt....but it still doesn't make Map's arguments make a lick of sense.

[Map]

You guys are basing all your arguements on:

1) Sam has less use for haste. This is false, and you are wrong. And even if this were the case, any other job can go out and get a speed belt, which is infinately easier to get.

2) Subtle Blow is just this overwhelmingly awesome stat, that anything that enhances this should go to a nin over any other job, cause subtle blow is that awesome.

1) You're STILL missing the point. Sash enhances your TP-UP performance by less than 6% because a good percentage of your TP is gained in a non-haste-sensitive manner. Sash enhances other melees TP-UP performance by the full 6%. So, they're getting more of an overall enhancement to their TP-UP phase than you are.

2) SB is pretty good, actually. It is a non-negligible benefit since one of the best items they can otherwise wear in the slot if 6% haste without the subtle blow. On the contrary, SAM doesn't put the stat to use hardly at all due to the nature of gaining TP for HNM.

1) You're STILL not understanding that sam is making 100% use of that haste. I get tp from melee hits 6% faster with the sash. Just because I have meditate doesn't mean I don't also want tp from melee hits. The more haste I stack, the more hits I get in, the more tp I use.

2) Give me a good example of where people care about SB and giving a mob tp. Grand Dragons we tank with plds, and ninjas dont' engage even if they are tanking. Ninjas don't tank/engage Hydra/Cerberus for us, nor fafnir. Aspid and sky gods are about the only thing that comes immediately to mind that our ninjas tank, and I've never heard people complain about "too much tortoise song."

[Map]

I personally didn't have the money for a speed belt. It is still fact that it's easier to get a speed belt than the sash though, you'd be an idiot to argue against that.

you'd be an idiot to arque the sash is good for SAM too but for some reason you are.

The sash is the best thing sam can wear on it's belt, it IS good for sam. You have a thinking deficiency?

[DeadLegend]

I only just noticed map only has 167 posts, and every time I see him, his posts are about the sash. Has his entire time on bg forum been spent defending his crapass sash? lol

[Raineer]

I only just noticed map only has 167 posts, and every time I see him, his posts are about the sash. Has his entire time on bg forum been spent defending his crapass sash? lol

He made really good posts early on, then he got the sash and people won't let him live it down lol

[Banstick]

lolrelicstafgalkamelee w

[Russta]

I only just noticed map only has 167 posts, and every time I see him, his posts are about the sash. Has his entire time on bg forum been spent defending his crapass sash? lol

He made really good posts early on, then he got the sash and people won't let him live it down lol

Everytime I read one of his posts I think that exact thing.

[aurik]

I only just noticed map only has 167 posts, and every time I see him, his posts are about the sash. Has his entire time on bg forum been spent defending his crapass sash? lol

He made really good posts early on, then he got the sash and people won't let him live it down lol

On the contrary, I think it's the sash that went to his head. He can't seem to stop bragging about it. Even this fight was started by him posting a nonsequitur to someone claiming d.ring to be "the rarest drop".

[ps2user]

I only just noticed map only has 167 posts, and every time I see him, his posts are about the sash. Has his entire time on bg forum been spent defending his crapass sash? lol

actually every time map posts, some idiots will jump out and say,"the sash should went to nin"

i laugh at that lol

[Devek]

I only just noticed map only has 167 posts, and every time I see him, his posts are about the sash. Has his entire time on bg forum been spent defending his crapass sash? lol

He made really good posts early on, then he got the sash and people won't let him live it down lol

On the contrary, I think it's the sash that went to his head. He can't seem to stop bragging about it. Even this fight was started by him posting a nonsequitur to someone claiming d.ring to be "the rarest drop".

Why can't he brag about it? I don't know anyone else with one.