Attachments?

[Toth]

Tell that to Enitsu lol

[Brendam]

Yea, so whats the deal with Smokescreen? Increases Evasion, Decreases Accuracy... Does it decrease Your acc or the enemies acc?

[Vobent]

If you were fighting, real life..And used smoke screen..Could YOU see them?
Unless you're some kinda of real leet NIN, I think not.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

If you were fighting, real life..And used smoke screen..Could YOU see them?
Unless you're some kinda of real leet NIN, I think not.

Or a robot

[Not Kuno]

I think it lowers the puppets acc. If it was in a smokescreen it would make sense that it would be hard to hit and have low acc.

[Brendam]

I think it lowers the puppets acc. If it was in a smokescreen it would make sense that it would be hard to hit and have low acc.

yea, thats what I was thinkin, just wasnt sure, you know?

[miokomioko]

I think it lowers the puppets acc. If it was in a smokescreen it would make sense that it would be hard to hit and have low acc.

Yeah, I agree with this. I think it would say "lower's enemy's accuracy" if it were something else. Not to mention, I don't think there's any attachments that describe as doing something directly to the enemy. (besides the "uses flash" "uses provoke" etc which still doesn't say enemy). Seems they just decided to word it differently than the Mana Channeler and Drum magazine which refer directly to sacrificing one stat to boost another. All points aside, logic prevails. A cloud of smoke would make you harder to hit and the enemy as well.

[Enitsu]

Pichon told me that it seems an exaggeratedly high EVA up and drastically lowered ACC. He's.. 68..? Or something, idk. But vs Lesser Colibris his puppet evaded 9/10 hits. (Sure they were DC - but.. Puppets dont evade much.) WITHOUT FLASH, mind you. And uh.. yeah, couldn't hit for shit.

[miokomioko]

Pichon told me that it seems an exaggeratedly high EVA up and drastically lowered ACC. He's.. 68..? Or something, idk. But vs Lesser Colibris his puppet evaded 9/10 hits. (Sure they were DC - but.. Puppets dont evade much.) WITHOUT FLASH, mind you. And uh.. yeah, couldn't hit for shit.

Holyballs. This is looking better and better...

Someone test an Attuner so I can proceed to crap my pants~

[Enitsu]

Pichon told me that it seems an exaggeratedly high EVA up and drastically lowered ACC. He's.. 68..? Or something, idk. But vs Lesser Colibris his puppet evaded 9/10 hits. (Sure they were DC - but.. Puppets dont evade much.) WITHOUT FLASH, mind you. And uh.. yeah, couldn't hit for shit.

Holyballs. This is looking better and better...

Someone test an Attuner so I can proceed to crap my pants~

Sure, I just got one two days ago I'll go see how it works on Tiamat...

OH WAIT

[miokomioko]

Pichon told me that it seems an exaggeratedly high EVA up and drastically lowered ACC. He's.. 68..? Or something, idk. But vs Lesser Colibris his puppet evaded 9/10 hits. (Sure they were DC - but.. Puppets dont evade much.) WITHOUT FLASH, mind you. And uh.. yeah, couldn't hit for shit.

Holyballs. This is looking better and better...

Someone test an Attuner so I can proceed to crap my pants~

Sure, I just got one two days ago I'll go see how it works on Tiamat...

OH WAIT

/comfort.

on a side note, was the smokescreen like a JA (stoneskin, flash, voke, converter, etc), or was it always in effect

[Enitsu]

Pichon told me that it seems an exaggeratedly high EVA up and drastically lowered ACC. He's.. 68..? Or something, idk. But vs Lesser Colibris his puppet evaded 9/10 hits. (Sure they were DC - but.. Puppets dont evade much.) WITHOUT FLASH, mind you. And uh.. yeah, couldn't hit for shit.

Holyballs. This is looking better and better...

Someone test an Attuner so I can proceed to crap my pants~

Sure, I just got one two days ago I'll go see how it works on Tiamat...

OH WAIT

/comfort.

on a side note, was the smokescreen like a JA (stoneskin, flash, voke, converter, etc), or was it always in effect

I.. think.. uh, I'm not sure. The conversation went kind of like;
>>Pichon : I fucking hate you.
Pichon >> (Stuff about smoke screen)

... actually it was exactly like that. Word for word. Oh - and Mana Channeler was something like +35MAB under 3 ice maneuvers, I'm not sure how indepth his test was on this. But.. +35 under 3 ice.. I can't say I'm really impressed. D: The nukes still suck and will be resisted until some Magic Acc attachments hit. (Do I merit Automaton Melee + Ranged or Ranged + magic )

[miokomioko]

I.. think.. uh, I'm not sure. The conversation went kind of like;
>>Pichon : I fucking hate you.
Pichon >> (Stuff about smoke screen)

... actually it was exactly like that. Word for word. Oh - and Mana Channeler was something like +35MAB under 3 ice maneuvers, I'm not sure how indepth his test was on this. But.. +35 under 3 ice.. I can't say I'm really impressed. D: The nukes still suck and will be resisted until some Magic Acc attachments hit. (Do I merit Automaton Melee + Ranged or Ranged + magic :oops: )

If Smokescreen is always in effect, that's gnarly as balls.

As for Mana Channeler, Loudspeaker, and Loudspeaker II... never really was impressed by the Magic Attack Bonus gained through the Ice Maneuvers and attachments that usually just made it spam enfeebles instead of nukes (wtf is with that...?). In turn, it was more likely to do more DoT via maintaining Light/Dark maneuvers on at all times to just spam Thunder II.

Merits... I have no idea where to start, I don't think I'll drop any into Automaton skills until I have Attuner, to be honest. If Valoredge with Target Marker & Attuner combo can do as much dmg (or more) as a melee on something like a Jailer or Cerberus, or whatever... Melee skill it is. However, a fellow Kujata pup (75 galka) is going to drop some merits into Magic skill to see if the Automaton will learn Aero III or perhaps Fire III, since they do, in fact learn Stone III and Water III by the time you hit 75, but are stuck spamming Water III on whatever mob... yay for fighting anything lightning based (sup Jailer of Hope).

[Delekii]

They should have made the parts drop from ALL the automaton based ENMs - all the jobs ENM60, as well as the 3 man automaton assault. Think of it as parts falling off the bots as they are destroyed

Then, other people would clamour to do the solo ENM while the prices are high, and ease the distribution load so that those unlucky people who dont get good drops can still obtain the pieces.

[Toth]

Well I finally won! The battle went very well as it only used the Stormwalker and I used Harlequin (thank you so much for the strategy Enitsu!). No goddamn drop. I am so very mad at SE. Ridiculous.

[Tahngarthor]

According to that guy mentioned earlier who analyzed mage automaton's behavior, it does learn Aero III (not sure how many merits you need though).

[Toth]

They should have made the parts drop from ALL the automaton based ENMs - all the jobs ENM60, as well as the 3 man automaton assault. Think of it as parts falling off the bots as they are destroyed

Wow, that is very interesting. Has anyone done any of the other maton ENMs to confirm? It sure makes a lot of sense.

[Tahngarthor]

Automaton Assault is race-specific ENM, and at this time drops race speciific gear, depending on which race you go with. doesnt sound real likely, and alos it is on the same timer. I wouldn't rule it out though.

[Delekii]

They should have made the parts drop from ALL the automaton based ENMs - all the jobs ENM60, as well as the 3 man automaton assault. Think of it as parts falling off the bots as they are destroyed

Wow, that is very interesting. Has anyone done any of the other maton ENMs to confirm? It sure makes a lot of sense.

I didnt say that was the case, I just mentioned that they should, I think. Wishful thinking, probably - im sure we would have heard if they dropped anywhere else by now.

[Ichthyos]

I haven't done any Automaton Assault since the patch, but the mobs you fight in the ENM are all mannequins, iirc. There aren't any puppetmasters or puppet mobs in it.