Attachments?

[Toth]

Woah settle down there. Just venting here. Lets not turn this into a flamefest. I just wish SE had thought this through better. With tier II attachments now 300-500k on my server, PUPs are really being shafted.

[Heian]

NOBODY CAN COMMENT ABOUT A JOB UNLESS THEY ARE THAT JOB AMIRITE?

And yes they're significant upgrades, but nobody expects everybody to have merc kris, ridill, speed belt etc. This shit is rare, something to work for and *gasp* is worth it. So you can't be an uber pup immediately, big whoop. You can still do good damage.

I wish they added tier 2 abs-stats to ENM that were actually good. It would be cool to work for a significant upgrade solo.

ALL DRKS DO SHIT DAMAGE UNLESS THEY HAVE E BODY AND RIDILL AND KRAKEN CLUB AMIRITE!!!@!@2!1!33121##$$%$@@

It usually helps to have that job to 75 before you open your mouth about it. Now sit the fuck back down.

In that case Toth should stfu too. OWAIT

Go back to whatever spider hole you resided in for the past month or two, it was so much more pleasant around here.

You know I think the same thing when I remember when you did not post here.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Werent you the one who quit because you couldnt make any friends on your server?

[aurik]

Woah settle down there. Just venting here. Lets not turn this into a flamefest. I just wish SE had thought this through better. With tier II attachments now 300-500k on my server, PUPs are really being shafted.

Are you serious? Endgame equipment for most jobs runs at 7 figures per piece.

[Heian]

Werent you the one who quit because you couldnt make any friends on your server?

lol yeah that was it. Um no. Lets see College, work, moving, no money from lack of work, the list goes on. Next time you post something about me make sure you have your facts straight.

[Toth]

Tier 2 attachments are not endgame though. I can see the ENM pieces going for 1 million easy however.

[Sasarai]

Tier 2 attachments are not endgame though. I can see the ENM pieces going for 1 million easy however.

Really, in comparison, thats nothing.

[Toth]

I hate to be a PUP only job leveling. It is just so ridiculously expensive. But then again, so is RNG and NIN.

[Freight]

jeez, i'd had to be a pup only period. seems like a fun job but that's a pretty shitty first job to pick

[Alisha]

who the hell does pickup pts anymore, LS onry

i still do pickups but i guess since i play at night time(10pmest-6am est) most of the immature fucks are offline by then.

[Rocl]

The WHM left and made me invite this puppetmaster whom I secretly love with all my heart. No, it's totally not a random mithran stranger.

[Enitsu]

My damage in PTs from 37-70 was pretty good for the most part, but my puppet only picked up about 300 average per fight (On IT+) and 400ish on VT (Like, colibri with sharpshot frame.) But I was always tied in damage with most melees or like 100 under them in average, with the damage from Nine added on making me the winner. For my case, I have really good gear and full H2H, STR and Crit merits. I didn't miss much even with C skill. My automaton on the other hand.. was probably pushing 50% accuracy, maybe less?

[Odd]

derail:

compare /war and /mnk subs for pup

/war
berserk
double attack +10%
native attack bonus (+10attk i believe)

/mnk
focus
dodge
chakra
martial arts III (-40 delay from base pup martial arts skill)

i think they're both pretty close but /mnk might edge out a bit from the /mnk subjob items, cestus belt and wrestler's mantle.
+5 hand-to-hand skill
+enhanced martial arts, bringing you to Martial Arts IV (-60 delay from base PUP martial arts skill)

[Priran]

derail:

compare /war and /mnk subs for pup

/war
berserk
double attack +10%
native attack bonus (+10attk i believe)

/mnk
focus
dodge
chakra
martial arts III (-40 delay from base pup martial arts skill)

i think they're both pretty close but /mnk might edge out a bit from the /mnk subjob items, cestus belt and wrestler's mantle.
+5 hand-to-hand skill
+enhanced martial arts, bringing you to Martial Arts IV (-60 delay from base PUP martial arts skill)

lmao

[Odd]

lmao

...? thanks for contributing? do you play pup or do you just troll forums to look for a place to interject witty responses to get post count +1?

hand-to-hand base delay is 400 with martial arts I...
upgrading to Martial Arts IV drops delay by 60...
which is 15% increase...
which would make tp gain higher than /war

[Enitsu]

You don't get Martial Arts IV with that stuff. >.>

[Odd]

You don't get Martial Arts IV with that stuff. >.>

/mnk gets Martial Arts III at 62PUP..

wrestler's mantle has "Enhances Martial Arts Effect"... which would bump it to Martial Arts IV

a MNK main gets Martial Arts VI at 75... which would only be a 40 delay difference between 75PUP/MNK (with mantle) and 75MNK (ignoring all the haste gear that MNK gets)

[Enitsu]

Marital Art traits don't stack like that. PUPs trait + MNKs trait doesn't equal Martial Arts 2. And the belt isn't a full jump, it's something low. I nkow the dual weild belt is like .01 or some low shit.

[Odd]

I'm not counting PUP's Martial Arts trait at all

any 62job /MNK will have Martial Arts III (gained at 31MNK)...

whats so hard to understand that "Enhances Martial Arts" will bump it up to IV?

[Heian]

And the belt isn't a full jump, it's something low. I nkow the dual weild belt is like .01 or some low shit.

Yeah the bulk of the level 30 subjob items (belts, don't know too much about some of those capes/back pieces) are garbage, but if you mention "Increases Dual Wield" on any item in FFXI most people will pay out the ass for it regaurdless of what else can go there.