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[SephYuyX]

PUP = a party BST

[Runningdemon]

1. Any BST with a Ridill is an idiot.
2. They can release the pet before kill and /shock!, get full exp.


So what if I don't play DRG? You don't play BST and you started this.

[Freight]

1. Any BST with a Ridill is an idiot.
2. They can release the pet before kill and /shock!, get full exp.


So what if I don't play DRG? You don't play BST and you started this.

1: I know a BST only with a Ridill. Maybe not the wisest choice but who cares.

2. No I didn't. Learn to read.

3. DRG>BST 90% of the time. I have nothing against BSTs in general, but this one is a fact.

edit: and i don't play DRG I just call em like i see em

[Runningdemon]

You're playing with shitty BSTs then. And I stand by that using a weapon that at best is 70 skill under his axe skill makes him an idiot. Offhanding Temperance and having a Brutal Earring is all the TP you need.

[aurik]

Get a new thread to argue about bst vs drg, this is a PUP thread.

Also, Vyz, lolpup, but I do believe you when you say you do good damage

[Freight]

You're playing with shitty BSTs then. And I stand by that using a weapon that at best is 70 skill under his axe skill makes him an idiot. Offhanding Temperance and having a Brutal Earring is all the TP you need.

Bsts with adaberks, haidates, and shit you may not have? Mine and Ryko's LS have given what...3 or 4 adaberks to bsts. I know what good gear looks like I'm not a fool. You're under some strange misconception that BST is a good, viable exp slot in meripo....maybe with other bsts. Jugpets still suck and I don't know any bsts personally that charm and release over and over throughout the course of a meripo. Like I said earlier; Get real a good bst won't outdmg a good drg even with your courier carrie's 80% acc (which i doubt is true after reading what wafik's said about jugpets in general.)\

edit: k i'm done aurik^o^.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Battle of the posters nobody cares about arguing about the jobs nobody cares about.

[Freight]

Battle of the posters nobody cares about arguing about the jobs nobody cares about.

I don't see you in this argument.

[Khamsin]

Battle of the posters nobody cares about arguing about the jobs nobody cares about.

I don't see you in this argument.

You need a pair of these, because I see him just fine.

[SephYuyX]

Battle of the posters nobody cares about arguing about the jobs nobody cares about.

I don't see you in this argument.

You need a pair of these, because I see him just fine.

Woah >.> I have those and never noticed the +dark

[Freight]

Battle of the posters nobody cares about arguing about the jobs nobody cares about.

I don't see you in this argument.

You need a pair of these, because I see him just fine.

I was gonna say something about DRK but didn't wanna start another "battle of the posters nobody cares about" with the real nobody himself.

[Runningdemon]

Bsts with adaberks, haidates, and shit you may not have? Mine and Ryko's LS have given what...3 or 4 adaberks to bsts. I know what good gear looks like I'm not a fool. You're under some strange misconception that BST is a good, viable exp slot in meripo....maybe with other bsts. Jugpets still suck and I don't know any bsts personally that charm and release over and over throughout the course of a meripo. Like I said earlier; Get real a good bst won't outdmg a good drg even with your courier carrie's 80% acc (which i doubt is true after reading what wafik's said about jugpets in general.)\

edit: k i'm done aurik^o^.

Last thing gonna say about this derailment. Sorry for getting so off track, but someone who plays neither BST or DRG, and whose only knowledge of BST is with crappy ones (if they honestly ever use a Ridill), should not be dissing a job. And whatever data wafik has is wrong. People have tested the Beast Affinity upgrades, and each one gives about a 10% overall boost to the jugs. And since for some reason we are arguing this as a merit PT discussion, a good BST will lag behind a WAR in WS damage and small damage differences per hit from the WAR's naturally higher STR/attack/zerk. And merit point PTs are generally killing VT/low IT mobs, so a jug pet will easily make up any damage difference.

Seems to me you only look at big numbers and since you said something to the effect of not wanting to parse earlier (not gonna bother reading back, gotta go to work), you cannot really see the damage a pet brings.

[Freight]

Bsts with adaberks, haidates, and shit you may not have? Mine and Ryko's LS have given what...3 or 4 adaberks to bsts. I know what good gear looks like I'm not a fool. You're under some strange misconception that BST is a good, viable exp slot in meripo....maybe with other bsts. Jugpets still suck and I don't know any bsts personally that charm and release over and over throughout the course of a meripo. Like I said earlier; Get real a good bst won't outdmg a good drg even with your courier carrie's 80% acc (which i doubt is true after reading what wafik's said about jugpets in general.)\

edit: k i'm done aurik^o^.

Last thing gonna say about this derailment. Sorry for getting so off track, but someone who plays neither BST or DRG, and whose only knowledge of BST is with crappy ones (if they honestly ever use a Ridill), should not be dissing a job. And whatever data wafik has is wrong. People have tested the Beast Affinity upgrades, and each one gives about a 10% overall boost to the jugs. And since for some reason we are arguing this as a merit PT discussion, a good BST will lag behind a WAR in WS damage and small damage differences per hit from the WAR's naturally higher STR/attack/zerk. And merit point PTs are generally killing VT/low IT mobs, so a jug pet will easily make up any damage difference.

Seems to me you only look at big numbers and since you said something to the effect of not wanting to parse earlier (not gonna bother reading back, gotta go to work), you cannot really see the damage a pet brings.

Never said that, and it's not like drg has a really good ws either lol. Both are DoT jobs, one just sucks more than the other. cu @ work

[Vixy]

Bsts with adaberks, haidates, and shit you may not have? Mine and Ryko's LS have given what...3 or 4 adaberks to bsts. I know what good gear looks like I'm not a fool. You're under some strange misconception that BST is a good, viable exp slot in meripo....maybe with other bsts. Jugpets still suck and I don't know any bsts personally that charm and release over and over throughout the course of a meripo. Like I said earlier; Get real a good bst won't outdmg a good drg even with your courier carrie's 80% acc (which i doubt is true after reading what wafik's said about jugpets in general.)\

edit: k i'm done aurik^o^.

Last thing gonna say about this derailment. Sorry for getting so off track, but someone who plays neither BST or DRG, and whose only knowledge of BST is with crappy ones (if they honestly ever use a Ridill), should not be dissing a job. And whatever data wafik has is wrong. People have tested the Beast Affinity upgrades, and each one gives about a 10% overall boost to the jugs. And since for some reason we are arguing this as a merit PT discussion, a good BST will lag behind a WAR in WS damage and small damage differences per hit from the WAR's naturally higher STR/attack/zerk. And merit point PTs are generally killing VT/low IT mobs, so a jug pet will easily make up any damage difference.

Seems to me you only look at big numbers and since you said something to the effect of not wanting to parse earlier (not gonna bother reading back, gotta go to work), you cannot really see the damage a pet brings.

Go back to FFXIonline, thanks.

[SephYuyX]

loldrg
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lvl68 vs bikibay camels

[Eggroll]

if you think bst will hit as good as a job with equal equipment, you need to come into reality.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

if you think bst will hit as good as a job with equal equipment, you need to come into reality.

If you think that pets dont matter then you need to visit the real world err ffxi

[Reynard]

so i submitted MY comment to improve the enm droprate in playonline, have you? And my questions about when to stop subbing /mnk and if any gaps had good solo/duo potential got buried yet again in non-Puppetmaster derail...

hit 33 this weekend. Id love to hit 60 asap so i can join in the enm pain but Im super busy. The ranger frame was owning stuff in garlaige. What manuevers do you think are most effective for ranger? I use a light for flash then usually load up on wind, throwing in fire or lightning kinda randomly. But with the comments that ratk seems more strength based not wind based Im not so sure. wind attachments i have access to all deal with evasion and racc only, and Im not sure the benefits of stacking wind VS a combo of wind fire and lightning which all help DD in diff ways....

[Faranim]

Well since this has turned into the generic Puppetmaster thread...

I subbed MNK until 30 for the Martial Arts (I think PUP gets it at 25?) After 30 I can really only see /WAR as an option for DDing, with possibly /DRG (my DRG is 1 so I don't know what /DRG is like).

I usually use the RNG Frame with Harlequin/VE head in EXP PT. I try to keep 1 Wind up all the time, then I use the other 2 slots to do Light, Fire, and Thunder.

My VE Frame's Melee Skill is veeery far from cap, so I'm not really sure how well it compares to the RNG Frame. I found the Accuracy to be OK, but his damage was pitifully low. Seeing RNG shoot for 70 damage and then VE punch for 15 is kind of hard to argue, although I honestly haven't had any time to parse either.

I've also never seen my VE use Shield Bash... do you need to have a certain attachment on for that to happen?

[Elcura]

Stop fucking derailing this thread with BST vs DRG bullshit.

@ Faranim, VE's shield bash is kinda low key, I've seen it happen a bunch of times but it's usually pretty fast and easy to miss, but it does do decent damage (my VE was hitting for 20-30 and SB did 50+), it's once every 5 minutes (I think) so it's not that common to see either.

VE without tier III attachments and capped skill will not outdamage either frame, but it definatly will survive the longest through rampant AoEs.