Attachments?

[miokomioko]

I was talking to a JPN PUP who has won the enm 6 times. He uses Valoredge head plus Stormwalker body and loads up on +41 evasion gear. I am very tempted to try out this combo. I am guessing you main tank and have the maton just keep healing you with the damage gauge and light maneuvers causing the cure spam. Any thoughts about this viable strategy?

To be honest, I usually tank a vast majority of the fight, and I don't wear a whole lot of evasion gear. Battle Gloves (sometimes) Velocity Earring, Emperor Hairpin, meh... the usual solo junk.

I carry about 3500 HP in potions on me so that makes it more than possible. I'm not shy with using them at all. It's only 10k for a Hi-Potion Tank, so I end up paying 20k for 40 hi-pots. I usually try to keep my HP in the white at all times.

However, dual tanking both the mobs sounds like way too big of a risk for a 5-day wait on attempts. Main tanking Fantoccini is what I end up doing... while my Automaton negates the Fantoccini Automaton's dmg with Repair regen, helps keep me alive, and does 'ok' dmg. I did dual tank a Stormwaker once, but that was cake when it casts shit like shell and aquaveil. Also, I'd prefer Harlequin Frame over Stormwaker because of its HP. Valoredge head all the way though.

[Toth]

This is a dumb question but how do you use Hi Potion tanks effectively during battles? Do you create a macro for it?

[doofy]

Still using the same strat that I posted a few pages back, and Enitsu posted a similar one near the start of the thread. Harlequinn body / VE head, send puppet in first and voke only if needed. Considering that getting back to back VE frames is about as hard as it can get Im sticking with this setup, there still wasnt any point in the fight where I was either below 700 hp or my puppet was below 50%. I didnt even have to use any elixirs, just pots. Clank also puts up quite a bit of the overall dmg on Fanto with this strat, anywhere from 1000-1500 of its overall 3500 hp.

The only thing that would cause a loss for me are the dice rolls, I havent had to deal with a bene roll yet but I have had to deal with stacked tp rolls.

Edit - yes, I have macros for the elixirs/remedies/pots/etc.

-Vyzrael (Asura)

[miokomioko]

This is a dumb question but how do you use Hi Potion tanks effectively during battles? Do you create a macro for it?

I empty out all the tanks and fill my inventory with the hipotions, sometimes use any leftovers in the tank once I'm inside and eat food/wing/drink. Macro for hi-potions. I personally don't use any medicine other than hi-pots/tp-wing.

[Toth]

Well, it has begun on Fairy. While the Tier 2 attachments still hovering at 400-500k a piece, an Attuner was finally put on the AH. Excited as to have a chance to get one and then sell my Attuner at a later date when it drops (lol pupENM), I bid on it. My top bid for such a piece was 3 million, because of the fantastic results shown here and also I liken the attachment to a Truimph earring for melees (those go for 3.3million atm). No dice. No one bought it during its time up. I speculate the seller had put it up for 5 million. It was relisted this morning and I tried a few bids. I finally bid 3 Million and got it. I'm a bit upset with the buyer as now he has established a market about 1 million more than I would have charged. I hated to pay more than I wanted for the piece but I know without a doubt that many of the 60 pups (the majority of them JPN crafters) would not have hesitated at all to pay the same 3 million. Therefore, if any Attuners (and Target Markers) are put up on the AH, 3 million will mostly likely be their going price. Thank goodness we can do the ENM at least

[Tahngarthor]

I keep getting shafted on the dice... last run, he used harley, moblin did TP for fanto, ice manuver, 2hour for fanto, TP for me right as I was using a WS so I didnt get another one, 500HP cure for fanto. my automaton died earlier than I hoped for and I got pulverized by slapstick and another fanto WS.

win 2/6, one drop (eraser).

[aurik]

Well, it has begun on Fairy. While the Tier 2 attachments still hovering at 400-500k a piece, an Attuner was finally put on the AH. Excited as to have a chance to get one and then sell my Attuner at a later date when it drops (lol pupENM), I bid on it. My top bid for such a piece was 3 million, because of the fantastic results shown here and also I liken the attachment to a Truimph earring for melees (those go for 3.3million atm). No dice. No one bought it during its time up. I speculate the seller had put it up for 5 million. It was relisted this morning and I tried a few bids. I finally bid 3 Million and got it. I'm a bit upset with the buyer as now he has established a market about 1 million more than I would have charged. I hated to pay more than I wanted for the piece but I know without a doubt that many of the 60 pups (the majority of them JPN crafters) would not have hesitated at all to pay the same 3 million. Therefore, if any Attuners (and Target Markers) are put up on the AH, 3 million will mostly likely be their going price. Thank goodness we can do the ENM at least

Whine a bit more about prices, why don't you? Did you expect puppetmaster to be extraordinarily cheap?

Oh wait, your other job is summoner. Nevermind.

[Elcura]

Out of all those Haubergeon is the only nessecity (sp), SH is slightly depending on your job.

Pluto's, you can get a Dark Staff instead
Vermillion, pure luxury
Blau Dolch, don't know much about THF, but you can get by without it I suppose
Cross Counters, easily replacable and made redundant at higher levels, nice luxury
Eurytos' Bow, lolrng

If each Tier 3 attachment is 1mil+ you're looking at 8mil MINIMUM on a nessecity (I should stop trying to spell that >.>) for a job which doesn't even include equipment and is non-refundable.

NON-REFUNDABLE!

Least you can sell that Haub if you want too.

[Priran]

Least you can sell that Haub if you want too.

ugh

[TsingTao]

You can "get by" on any job without a lot of things. Your PUP would be able to "get by" without any Tier III attachments just like a SAM could without a Hauby & Hagun.

You'd both be gimp though. The ability to just 'get by" without something is a stupid arguement.

[Elcura]

Least you can sell that Haub if you want too.

ugh

Never said you should, but you can.

You can "get by" on any job without a lot of things. Your PUP would be able to "get by" without any Tier III attachments just like a SAM could without a Hauby & Hagun.

You'd both be gimp though. The ability to just 'get by" without something is a stupid arguement.

What? I'm not telling you to ditch good stuff - all I'm saying is that there's an alternative to certain pieccs of gear that you can easily do without.

HAUBERGEON IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

A PUP without tier 3 attachments is like a SAM still using a lvl 50 Gkatana as a weapon at lvl 60+ all the way to 75 (and nothing near as good as Soboro).

The fact that this uber godly stuff comes from a low rate ENM is even worse when you consider the amount of PUPs on a server.

Again, I really don't know where I said you should just "get by"

[aurik]

Least you can sell that Haub if you want too.

ugh

Never said you should, but you can.

You can "get by" on any job without a lot of things. Your PUP would be able to "get by" without any Tier III attachments just like a SAM could without a Hauby & Hagun.

You'd both be gimp though. The ability to just 'get by" without something is a stupid arguement.

What? I'm not telling you to ditch good stuff - all I'm saying is that there's an alternative to certain pieccs of gear that you can easily do without.

HAUBERGEON IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

A PUP without tier 3 attachments is like a SAM still using a lvl 50 Gkatana as a weapon at lvl 60+ all the way to 75 (and nothing near as good as Soboro).

The fact that this uber godly stuff comes from a low rate ENM is even worse when you consider the amount of PUPs on a server.

Again, I really don't know where I said you should just "get by"

Sorry, SAM without Hauby these days is pretty gimp. Call it "skimping on a weapon" or "skimping on armor", the effect is the same because the items both serve only one purpose: to enhance DD.

You can make due as a PUP without these "scrolls". You're no worse off than other jobs. And, you're the first person to buy the item on AH. Of course you're going to get ripped off.

[Priran]

The holes in the "you can sell equipment, but not spells" idea have been fucked so dry I really would rather not bother.

suffice to say, it's a weak argument

[Elcura]

Least you can sell that Haub if you want too.

ugh

Never said you should, but you can.

You can "get by" on any job without a lot of things. Your PUP would be able to "get by" without any Tier III attachments just like a SAM could without a Hauby & Hagun.

You'd both be gimp though. The ability to just 'get by" without something is a stupid arguement.

What? I'm not telling you to ditch good stuff - all I'm saying is that there's an alternative to certain pieccs of gear that you can easily do without.

HAUBERGEON IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

A PUP without tier 3 attachments is like a SAM still using a lvl 50 Gkatana as a weapon at lvl 60+ all the way to 75 (and nothing near as good as Soboro).

The fact that this uber godly stuff comes from a low rate ENM is even worse when you consider the amount of PUPs on a server.

Again, I really don't know where I said you should just "get by"

Sorry, SAM without Hauby these days is pretty gimp. Call it "skimping on a weapon" or "skimping on armor", the effect is the same because the items both serve only one purpose: to enhance DD.

You can make due as a PUP without these "scrolls". You're no worse off than other jobs. And, you're the first person to buy the item on AH. Of course you're going to get ripped off.

I never said SAM should go without Haubergeon, I never said ANYONE should. I fucking said every job that can equip it will need it, end off.

Sleepga II is a fucking quest that garuntees you at least 1 scroll, if I could get a bunch of friends to help get an Attuner or Target Marker I'd be fucking over the moon.

Raise II is a BCNM which you can do over and over again until you run out of seals, farming seals is easy as well and the BCNMs drop things that everyone can sell and profit from. Also not forgetting that ANY job can do a BCNM and get the drop making it more available.

I have 100+ seals (more if I didn't throw them away), if I could do a BCNM for my drops I'd be over the moon once more.

I don't see the relevance in linking to Shura Togi either. I don't recall needed that to level up, it's endgame gear, which you can't compare to PUP because we have no attachments which come from HNMs or endgame.

Again, it's the way we obtain these attachments that the real issue, and that's the reason they cost so much as well.

Once more, IT'S THE WAY WE OBTAIN THE ATTACHMENTS.

[TsingTao]

Again, I really don't know where I said you should just "get by"

Blau Dolch, don't know much about THF, but you can get by without it I suppose

BD is pretty hot stuff for Daggers.


Edit:

Again, it's the way we obtain these attachments that the real issue, and that's the reason they cost so much as well.

Once more, IT'S THE WAY WE OBTAIN THE ATTACHMENTS.

The way you obtain them is definately retarded. The high price comes from being the first buyers though, not from the way it's obtained. The convenience of having it now instead of later comes with a high price.

There's not a huge market for these. Despite how good they are for PUP it's still a PUP only item. Once a couple people max out or start getting spares prices will drop.

[doofy]

Im sorry, but if you're going to bypass the enm60 by throwing gil at it you're going to pay out the ass. 1M for these things is dirt ass cheap and consider yourself lucky if thats all you have to pay. 8M to never have to deal with the enm60, where can I sign up?

I've already got people asking for any doubles I get, and the offers are 10M+ for the good attachments. Its all about saving time and maintaining your sanity, and I agree that the enm60 drop rates and such are a load of BS. I've been lucky as hell with my drops so far, but would gladly pay if I was 0/5 and getting increasingly pissed off.

-Vyzrael (Asura)

[Elcura]

Again, I really don't know where I said you should just "get by"

[quote:e5c54]Blau Dolch, don't know much about THF, but you can get by without it I suppose

BD is pretty hot stuff for Daggers.


Edit:

Again, it's the way we obtain these attachments that the real issue, and that's the reason they cost so much as well.

Once more, IT'S THE WAY WE OBTAIN THE ATTACHMENTS.

The way you obtain them is definately retarded. The high price comes from being the first buyers though, not from the way it's obtained. The convenience of having it now instead of later comes with a high price.

There's not a huge market for these. Despite how good they are for PUP it's still a PUP only item. Once a couple people max out or start getting spares prices will drop.[/quote:e5c54]

I'm not a THF expert or anything, I know it's a good dagger but still I was unsure, yet I'm still certain that it falls under endgame stuff, comparing Attachments to equipment is kinda iffy because there's no level req for attachments (if you buy them) and it's a 1 time only use.

Edit: 1mil was a hell of a low estimate, and was only done as a minimum, considering the drop rate and population I don't see doubles or a decent market for a long time (how long has it been since the patch?)

[Tomino]

The high price comes from being the first buyers though, not from the way it's obtained.

actually, you have to be a 60pup to "farm" those pieces. and it's not something you see everyday, is it?

it's not you can wait for people to farm them and compete on prices.

[NynJa]

Blau Dolch to thf is like Destroyers to mnk.

[Mufferino]

Blau Dolch to thf is like Destroyers to mnk.

That is by far the best way to put that haha