Attachments?

[aurik]

I never said SAM should go without Haubergeon, I never said ANYONE should. I fucking said every job that can equip it will need it, end off.

Sleepga II is a fucking quest that garuntees you at least 1 scroll, if I could get a bunch of friends to help get an Attuner or Target Marker I'd be fucking over the moon.

And ENM60 is not only a one-time source for these attachments, you can repeat it, get a duplicate, and sell it for cash money. Same shit, different pile.

Raise II is a BCNM which you can do over and over again until you run out of seals, farming seals is easy as well and the BCNMs drop things that everyone can sell and profit from. Also not forgetting that ANY job can do a BCNM and get the drop making it more available.

I have 100+ seals (more if I didn't throw them away), if I could do a BCNM for my drops I'd be over the moon once more.

Only because you (and everyone else) has been farming seals for 2 years do you think BCNM drops are no big deal. Once you (and every PUP60+) have been farming PUP attachments for 2 years, you'll be up to your ears in Target Markers and probably won't even bother to do the ENM anymore.

Not only that, the ENM is practically free to enter. You can do it solo--no having to gather 5 friends, which is a fucking pain in itself. It doesn't even cost any seals, whereas a decent chance at BCNM40 can take what...10-20 hours of killing EPs for seals? I can't even farm that much in 5 days; the fact that you don't have to do shit but sit on your ass in order to gain access is a blessing, not a curse.

I don't see the relevance in linking to Shura Togi either. I don't recall needed that to level up, it's endgame gear, which you can't compare to PUP because we have no attachments which come from HNMs or endgame.

I don't see the requirement to have T3 attachments to level up. I see Samurai xping without Hauby on occasion too. It makes you mediocre, and you have to pay gil to improve your own performance. Wow, what a concept, people who work hard to earn money to improve their performance see a benefit. Amazing discovery!

Again, it's the way we obtain these attachments that the real issue, and that's the reason they cost so much as well.

Once more, IT'S THE WAY WE OBTAIN THE ATTACHMENTS.

5-day recast virtually-free soloable ENM. And within a month or 2 you'll be farming and selling PUP attachments for a fortune. Complain a bit more about the price of attachments, please.

[shinobi_tabi]

Blau Dolch to thf is like Wagh Banghnaks to mnk.

That is by far the best way to put that haha

that's more like it

[Mufferino]

Not really, Blau is the 'destroyers' for thf meaning the best main hand weapon aside from relic. Wagh may be the same 'thing' as Blau but thats not what he ment.

[Elcura]

Aurik, a lot of things are easier said then done. It's great having your backbone from leveling come from such a bullshit source, but since it's ok with you then I guess it's ok for everyone!

[Toth]

I apologize if I meant to insute that I am annoyed by the prices. I know full well how much solid melee gear is so that was not my point. I just wanted to report what the first legit sale of a tier 3 attachment that drastically increaes your maton's ability goes for. Personally, I see it as a short term investment. I will be doing the enm60 every five days regardless (its free and with Enitsu's strategy, winnable under the right conditions) and when the attuner drops for me, I will sell it (albiet a little cheaper - I'd like to get the market to be 1-2 million gil) and make back much of what I spent. Till then, I can at least level more, feeling I am contributing more to my party now than before.

PS Leveling blm and smn is not that cheap. Remember when weskits were 2 million and HQ staves were outrageously priced. No where near the melee gear problems but mage jobs do have some overpriced goods to buy too.

[Jeryhn]

5-day recast virtually-free soloable ENM.

I just had a little giggle-moment. Its funny that you say access to the ENM is "virtually free" when it costs gil to win the key item from the NPC through gambling, and more gil to warp to the BC itself.

But yea, I get what you're saying. This ENM is one of the few that will drop items that actually benefit the job going in, and multiple items at that, with no EXP loss (and in fact, you get EXP when you win!). Puppetmasters really have no room for complaint... at least you're not in the Dragon's Aery hoping your attachment will drop off of Nidhogg.

[shinobi_tabi]

yea i compared it cause it is the same type of latent weapons

but i heard from a mnk that wagh > destroyers if you don't have capped crit. merits

[Elcura]

yea i compared it cause it is the same type of latent weapons

but i heard from a mnk that wagh > destroyers if you don't have capped crit. merits

Not...ever...

[Vobent]

yea i compared it cause it is the same type of latent weapons

but i heard from a mnk that wagh > destroyers if you don't have capped crit. merits

Maybe for raging fists, but even then..I'm not a monk.

[Mufferino]

Nah destroyers are amazing, Wagh's are not

[shinobi_tabi]

no wonder they are 10k on AH
LOL

[TsingTao]

yea i compared it cause it is the same type of latent weapons

but i heard from a mnk that wagh > destroyers if you don't have capped crit. merits

If I were a violent man I'd suggest you punch that Monk in the nose for being retarded. I'm not a violent man any more though, I've mellowed with age. Now I prefer humor to violence.

Kick him in the balls instead....groin injuries are funny as hell.

[aurik]

I remember when they were 500k because /shock not that many existed yet. Price came tumbling down when supply totally outstripped demand.

Vyzrael (Doofy) has been putting up respectable numbers even before he got his t3 attachments, so it's not like you can't beat genkai 5 without a full set of t3s.

As for "having your backbone from leveling come from such a bullshit source", try telling that to WARs and SAMs and DRKs who need hauby to not "suck"; damascus ingot, after all, is only an infrequent drop from a hnm that takes 18 people to kill if you are level 60. Now it so happens that the damascus ingot source has been in the game for 3 years, so now there are plenty of Haubergeons floating around. PUP is a new job, with new items. Expect the rarity on those items to be abnormally high until the market establishes itself.

You're just mad you can't overpower your new job using items bought/won with your old ones @75 already. OK, well you can for 3m per attachment. It's like playing no-twink in Diablo 2. If you don't like it, there are 17 other jobs to pick from that are more easily twinked.

[Elcura]

How can you assume I'm mad because of that? I don't expect everything handed to me on a fucking platter, that's you assuming it's so. I've already explained myself on the market establishing itself, it will take awhile because:

A) lolpup

The mentality of this means no only will many people not play PUP for a long time but also it gives those who do a hard time because they're last pickings from an already long list of other DDs

B) lvl 60

Takes a while to get here, with point A being the main problem

C) ENMs drop rate

low and random

Back in the days hauby's were rare, but now it's common to see people lvling their first jobs with them, not only are they common but RMT means more power to the people!

The fact is with all these it will take a long time for supply to outstrip demand, if that even happens that is.

I know PUP can put up numbers because I've done it myself and a PUP in my LS has done it (Enitsu). The difference between tier 3 attachments and haub is that haub is easily available, price not being much of an issue these days but attachments are much rarer and will continue to be rare for a long time.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

A) lolpup

The mentality of this means no only will many people not play PUP for a long time but also it gives those who do a hard time because they're last pickings from an already long list of other DDs

So? Its not like BST and DRG don't have the issue.

I know PUP can put up numbers because I've done it myself and a PUP in my LS has done it (Enitsu). The difference between tier 3 attachments and haub is that haub is easily available, price not being much of an issue these days but attachments are much rarer and will continue to be rare for a long time.

Except people would be repeating the ENM after getting the attachments as long as the price is high since people like good money makers. And once the price is low people will just buy instead of do the ENM until the price is high again due to depleted market.

Essentially: Short term this system is bad, long term it is good.

[Elcura]

A) lolpup

The mentality of this means no only will many people not play PUP for a long time but also it gives those who do a hard time because they're last pickings from an already long list of other DDs

So? Its not like BST and DRG don't have the issue.

I know PUP can put up numbers because I've done it myself and a PUP in my LS has done it (Enitsu). The difference between tier 3 attachments and haub is that haub is easily available, price not being much of an issue these days but attachments are much rarer and will continue to be rare for a long time.

Except people would be repeating the ENM after getting the attachments as long as the price is high since people like good money makers. And once the price is low people will just buy instead of do the ENM until the price is high again due to depleted market.

Essentially: Short term this system is bad, long term it is good.

Except I'm not talking about BST and DRG, I'm fully aware of their issues.

And how long is long term, long enough for the game to still be interesting?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Except I'm not talking about BST and DRG, I'm fully aware of their issues.

And how long is long term, long enough for the game to still be interesting?

But their issues are the exact same as PUP's: People have decided on 'best jobs' and instead of being inclusive they decide to be exclusive. You know PUP can do well but trying to communicate the fact and convince people of the truth is rediculously hard. And also you have an ENM for exp every 5 days that I'm sure youll do (lols.)

And as for long term, my guess is 3 months before its a stable market. Most PUPs will start getting mostly duplicates to sell off in about 2 months, then around a month for stabilization. Sorry that you cant just buy your way to the top yet and it takes time, but imagine the cost of, say, NIN tools when it first came out or SAM GKatanas (which are mostly from wierd sources or hard recipies.) Its all the same deal. I sympathize, you want to play PUP now and without headaches, its just not how FFXI works.

[Toth]

There are maybe 10 PUPs over 60 on my server (I am 68 ) with maybe 10 coming up in a reasonable amount of time. With the low drop rate and 5 day timer, I still see the market taking some time to stabilize.

[aurik]

There are maybe 10 PUPs over 60 on my server (I am 68 ) with maybe 10 coming up in a reasonable amount of time. With the low drop rate and 5 day timer, I still see the market taking some time to stabilize.

On the bright side, only 10-20 people will be looking for t3 attachments to buy (and not all of them will be so foolish to buy the first one they see)

[Toth]

Okay. I'll go level war and sam next and forego buying a Haubrek. In fact, I will just sell my Weskit now so I can be gimp in merit parties. 3 million is nothing (and perfectly sound) afor 68+ gear.