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[Kenai]

It saddens me that PUP only gets C ? H2H skill and no Asuran Fists...having parsed parties with my PUP friend in the 60s
She usually does 14% and her puppet does 3-5% >.>

So to me it seems most of the damage is on the PUP not the puppet, she can't get a target marker yet though supposedly thats bad ass?

Why do people complain that PUP cant do good damage when they dont have the gear (read: attachments) to make it work... Thats like a Blue Mage complaining that the job sucks because he's spamming sickle slash at 75.

It's also sad to me that so many people think Asuran Fists will magically fix PUP problems. Toss us a BB and Destroyers instead, kthx.

[Jkun]

Please don't make up crap about me, I find it really irritating. You can't just waltz in here late-November and fabricate my opinions and playstyle when you obviously know nothing about me and what I've contributed over the past months.

Elmer/Enaru, I get the names mixed up. Apologies.

But next time you shouldn't quote something that's in a different thread. Just causes drama. And drama makes me sad.

In response to the "High End" thing, I was meaning I want to see something that sets aside the 70-75 PUPs from the people who level it to 60 just for the ENM to make money.

From 60-75 I've doen the same job in parties or soloing, even with added ENM attachments. We need relic, we need JSE, we need SOMETHING endgame that makes us powerful and stand out, whether it's a range of items that allows us to be flexible on the battlefield, or one thing players can find a way to obtain and use to really make us a wanted job that's good at something.

[Kenai]

Please don't make up crap about me, I find it really irritating. You can't just waltz in here late-November and fabricate my opinions and playstyle when you obviously know nothing about me and what I've contributed over the past months.

Elmer/Enaru, I get the names mixed up. Apologies.

But next time you shouldn't quote something that's in a different thread. Just causes drama. And drama makes me sad.

In response to the "High End" thing, I was meaning I want to see something that sets aside the 70-75 PUPs from the people who level it to 60 just for the ENM to make money.

From 60-75 I've doen the same job in parties or soloing, even with added ENM attachments. We need relic, we need JSE, we need SOMETHING endgame that makes us powerful and stand out, whether it's a range of items that allows us to be flexible on the battlefield, or one thing players can find a way to obtain and use to really make us a wanted job that's good at something.

Well, technically there is one thing we can do far better than any other job, but it's useless in 99% of all situations so it's blah.

PUP can sac pull better than any job out there, solo. 2-3 PUPs together? Forget about it, a mob would never despawn.

[Jkun]

It saddens me that PUP only gets C ? H2H skill and no Asuran Fists...having parsed parties with my PUP friend in the 60s
She usually does 14% and her puppet does 3-5% >.>

So to me it seems most of the damage is on the PUP not the puppet, she can't get a target marker yet though supposedly thats bad ass?

Why do people complain that PUP cant do good damage when they dont have the gear (read: attachments) to make it work... Thats like a Blue Mage complaining that the job sucks because he's spamming sickle slash at 75.

It's also sad to me that so many people think Asuran Fists will magically fix PUP problems. Toss us a BB and Destroyers instead, kthx.

Give us gear that's not mage-heavy? I'm hoping Relic has more Automation+ effects like the AF, or at least something that has one piece of Haste on it D:

[Sidanoir]

I wasn't complaining, just stating that its kinda gimp that their main skill is only C cap...
Asuran Fists implies higher cap implies higher damage...
If you have a job with 200 skill, do you really think Destroyers and Black Belt are going to make much more difference than a significantly higher skill cap B+ or higher?
Maybe they would--I mean both are uber items...

I am just stating that I find having a C cap for a weapon sad...

Most of the good attachments apparently are expensive/hardish to get...but I heard target marker is actually worth it

[Toth]

If SE does not raise the cap this update, I think it is a clear indication they do not want us as being the prime source of damage and that they want the maton to be our complete focus. Fixing the WSes are a good step in that direction at least.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Maybe they would--I mean both are uber items...

Destroyers arent much better than Hades Sainti. Black Belt however is better than anything ever period. Hell, even Brown Belt is...

Raising PUP's H2H cap would break the job. H2H skill is pretty broken, honestly. Atk, Acc, AND DMG in one skill.

[Khamsin]

It saddens me that PUP only gets C ? H2H skill and no Asuran Fists...having parsed parties with my PUP friend in the 60s
She usually does 14% and her puppet does 3-5% >.>

So to me it seems most of the damage is on the PUP not the puppet, she can't get a target marker yet though supposedly thats bad ass?

Why do people complain that PUP cant do good damage when they dont have the gear (read: attachments) to make it work... Thats like a Blue Mage complaining that the job sucks because he's spamming sickle slash at 75.

Because a BLU has more than just Sickle Slash available at 75. A BLU would only spam it at 75 because they are gimp and didn't put effort into obtaining everything they need for their job.

On the other hand, what PUP has is what PUP has. There's nothing more that will allow a PUP to do more damage. The maximum damage potential of PUP given all the best gear and attachments is still subpar. It's not because the PUP is just using tier 1 attachments and that if they got an Attuner and Target Marker, all of a sudden they'd kick ass, as with your BLU example.

Granted, in xp we compare fairly well. My sharpshot and myself both regularly pull hate in Colibri parties (which is annoying because I have to Repair spam), so both of us are pulling our weight. But at endgame, I don't see a whole lot of scaling up for PUP.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

It saddens me that PUP only gets C ? H2H skill and no Asuran Fists...having parsed parties with my PUP friend in the 60s
She usually does 14% and her puppet does 3-5% >.>

So to me it seems most of the damage is on the PUP not the puppet, she can't get a target marker yet though supposedly thats bad ass?

Why do people complain that PUP cant do good damage when they dont have the gear (read: attachments) to make it work... Thats like a Blue Mage complaining that the job sucks because he's spamming sickle slash at 75.

Because a BLU has more than just Sickle Slash available at 75. A BLU would only spam it at 75 because they are gimp and didn't put effort into obtaining everything they need for their job.

On the other hand, what PUP has is what PUP has. There's nothing more that will allow a PUP to do more damage. The maximum damage potential of PUP given all the best gear and attachments is still subpar. It's not because the PUP is just using tier 1 attachments and that if they got an Attuner and Target Marker, all of a sudden they'd kick ass, as with your BLU example.

I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about the ones who do only have tier 1 and 2 attachments. Target marker and attuner are pretty damned huge.

[aurik]

Maybe they would--I mean both are uber items...

Destroyers arent much better than Hades Sainti. Black Belt however is better than anything ever period. Hell, even Brown Belt is...

Destroyers are way better than Hades Sainti <_<

[Elmer the Pointy]

Please don't make up crap about me, I find it really irritating. You can't just waltz in here late-November and fabricate my opinions and playstyle when you obviously know nothing about me and what I've contributed over the past months.

Elmer/Enaru, I get the names mixed up. Apologies.

But next time you shouldn't quote something that's in a different thread. Just causes drama. And drama makes me sad.

If I didn't quote it here I would have never been able to correct you.

I've been playing, discussing and testing PUP for a long while now. I make my opinions on the subject very clear. If drama makes you sad you shouldn't be quick to take shots at people without reading their posts or knowing anything about them.

I agree with you on one thing: Enaru is mistaken. I don't think PUP should be tanking XP parties, but he does it anyway. He is misguided and he won't get it into his head. I've told him this on Alla. But in the end, good for him. He's having fun and levelling up just fine and is 71 now.
In the end, he'll have to adapt or be left behind. Either he'll stop tanking, or he'll find some trick we all missed. From his posts I believe he's smart enough to know when a situation calls for him to stop tanking.

So for now I look at his stories and think "What can I get out of this?". I could act superior and flame him, or I can apply his tanking strategies to more appropriate goals. (BCNMs & Avatars) Ultimately, I choose how Enaru's playstyle affects me, and so far it has had good results.

[Khamsin]

I ninja editted something on the end of my last post.

I see what you were referring to, I misread. However, PUP still lacks something where other jobs get quested WS, haubergeons, abjuration gear, etc. PUP gets Pahluwan. Automatons have the same capabilities and attachments from level 1 as they do at 75.

PUP needs something to improve their performance the way that haubergeons, quested WSs, abjuration gear, limbus gear, etc. improves other jobs. And automatons need to scale up with level. Shock Absorber still only absorbs 100 damage at 75, and I can use Attuner and Target Marker at level 1.

[Reynard]

while you CAN buy attuner and targetmarker at lvl1, the fact only lvl60 PUPs can obtain them makes me really feel like they are lvl60 attachments with a bonus of getting them early if you want. I'm lvl 55 so far, never bought the enm attachments, and have been performing pretty well. I'm looking forward to getting the enm parts soon, especially those 2, and I see them as helping me stay competitive from 60->75. They certainly arent required early on IMHO, but all hail the great Puppetmaster Pyramid scheme.

so who else thinks the mage puppet could be so much more controllable? the light + dark trick could have a lot more variations to make it more reliable a caster. (like no silence unless dark+wind are active at same time for instance) Am i missing something about ICE, or does it always force enfeebles even though logically youd use it to boost magic damage?

[Priran]

Maybe they would--I mean both are uber items...

Destroyers arent much better than Hades Sainti.

lol?

[Kenai]

I ninja editted something on the end of my last post.

I see what you were referring to, I misread. However, PUP still lacks something where other jobs get quested WS, haubergeons, abjuration gear, etc. PUP gets Pahluwan. Automatons have the same capabilities and attachments from level 1 as they do at 75.

PUP needs something to improve their performance the way that haubergeons, quested WSs, abjuration gear, limbus gear, etc. improves other jobs. And automatons need to scale up with level. Shock Absorber still only absorbs 100 damage at 75, and I can use Attuner and Target Marker at level 1.

I agree here. Most of the things that COR and BLU have that are good are from sets that have been out a while, and while some pieces aren't exactly optimal, they have FAR more than anything PUP has. In fact, most of PUP's good stuff before 72 is "all jobs can use" gear, which isnt very great overall. When other classes start getting exceptional pieces of gear like Hauby and SH and Cursed/God Gear, we get lolErrant. P. Gear isnt bad but when that's all you have it's not much at all. But I am not worried so much about endgame armor, because that is something that I know is coming. I know our versions of AFv2, AF+1, JSE, quested stuff, and other things are coming, just like every other job. BLU and COR don't have most of those yet either, after all. They are surviving off of what previous jobs have.


I think it would be *very* possible that if parts from a 60 ENM like Attuner and Target maker can have so drastic an effect, when some rare parts that come from real endgame mobs start showing up, they have some really amazing potiential to be a PUP version of some of these endgame pieces without even knowing until we see the puppet use it. PUP needs a real endgame-use attachment that gives it abilities on par with other melee jobs vs HNMs, and it wouldn't surprise me if it just showed up on an attachment one day out of the blue. That's when I'll start really bitching for an Activate timer down.

Also, don't EVER doubt the awesomeness of Destroyers. There is a reason I listed it right up there with BB, they really are that amazing and I doubt MNK will ever get anything better, they are THAT good.

[Khamsin]

I wonder if PUP will ever get a reverse-empathy trait. Something to copy the enhancements from the automaton to yourself (as in, the effects of attuner, target marker, or whatever else you have equipped). That would be kinda neat. A PUP with +15% attack, 15% mob defense ignored, +15% accuracy, 15% mob evasion ignored, and 15% haste wouldn't be overpowering... given that it's applied to PUP.

[Odd]

got another double drop, attuner and equalizer, today at 55% last quarter moon lightningday.

now i am 100% complete on all attachments :D
44/44!

i hope they don't add any more with next update...

all i need is a hades sainti (anyone know someone in FI who will give up a couple of claws cheap?) and faith torque to have all my pup gear complete.

[Khamsin]

got another double drop, attuner and equalizer, today at 55% last quarter moon lightningday.

now i am 100% complete on all attachments :D
44/44!

i hope they don't add any more with next update...

all i need is a hades sainti (anyone know someone in FI who will give up a couple of claws cheap?) and faith torque to have all my pup gear complete.

Remember to find a 106 bonecrafter with 60 smithing and 60 wood.

[Elmer the Pointy]

got another double drop, attuner and equalizer, today at 55% last quarter moon lightningday.

now i am 100% complete on all attachments :D
44/44!

i hope they don't add any more with next update...

all i need is a hades sainti (anyone know someone in FI who will give up a couple of claws cheap?) and faith torque to have all my pup gear complete.

Remember to find a 106 bonecrafter with 60 smithing and 60 wood.

Let me double emphasize his warning. My Hades Sainti broke on the first attempt.

[Khamsin]

got another double drop, attuner and equalizer, today at 55% last quarter moon lightningday.

now i am 100% complete on all attachments :D
44/44!

i hope they don't add any more with next update...

all i need is a hades sainti (anyone know someone in FI who will give up a couple of claws cheap?) and faith torque to have all my pup gear complete.

Remember to find a 106 bonecrafter with 60 smithing and 60 wood.

Let me double emphasize his warning. My Hades Sainti broke on the first attempt.

I was going to have it synthed, so I grabbed a couple claws from LS bank but when I found out that nobody even had the combination of subs required, I just gave the claws back and bought it off the AH for 1.9 mil instead.

I had just sold a couple ENM60 attachments for 1 mil each so, hey, PUP paying for itself.