Japanese Government looking into online currency sales:

**Tencteri** · 2006-07-28 19:32

The main problem is that SE is lying to every single fan and decieving them by saying they are against RMT and gil sellers when yet they are actually affiliated and supporting it. All SE has to do to make all their problems go away is: keep banning the accounts which we all know and they know are gil seller accounts, and keep banning the accounts until the sellers get it in their head that they aren't welcomed in the game.

Awhile back, I had posted three questions that I suggested should be asked to the developers of the game. One of the questions was: I have some sources which have confirmed and told me that SE is not only affiliated with all gil sellers, but actually supports them and supports all RMT. Why do you support this when yet you are saying that you are against it? (I will also say who my sources are to you if you confess to the truth and start being honest to your fans.) Look at Sage Sundi for instance. He also lied to the fans of SE by saying ToAH was going to be a low level expansion for new players when yet it ended up being a high level expansion for experienced players. The point I am trying to make is: What does SE truly have to gain with lying to their fans and what is the logic of lying to the people who support the games you make?

**JoOeetheplatypuS** · 2006-07-28 20:11

Originally Posted by Tencteri

I have some sources which have confirmed and told me that SE is not only affiliated with all gil sellers, but actually supports them and supports all RMT. Why do you support this when yet you are saying that you are against it? (I will also say who my sources are to you if you confess to the truth and start being honest to your fans.)

...what a bitchy way to ask the question. I mean, they say they support it and they look bad and you can say 'well I dont have sources but you admitted it LOL'. If they dont say they do they sound like they're hiding it. Just fucking bring the sources up front if you have any. If you don't, why are you so intent on smearing them?

**BRP** · 2006-07-28 23:51

Originally Posted by Tencteri

The main problem is that SE is lying to every single fan and decieving them by saying they are against RMT and gil sellers when yet they are actually affiliated and supporting it. All SE has to do to make all their problems go away is: keep banning the accounts which we all know and they know are gil seller accounts, and keep banning the accounts until the sellers get it in their head that they aren't welcomed in the game.

Awhile back, I had posted three questions that I suggested should be asked to the developers of the game. One of the questions was: I have some sources which have confirmed and told me that SE is not only affiliated with all gil sellers, but actually supports them and supports all RMT. Why do you support this when yet you are saying that you are against it? (I will also say who my sources are to you if you confess to the truth and start being honest to your fans.) Look at Sage Sundi for instance. He also lied to the fans of SE by saying ToAH was going to be a low level expansion for new players when yet it ended up being a high level expansion for experienced players. The point I am trying to make is: What does SE truly have to gain with lying to their fans and what is the logic of lying to the people who support the games you make?

Hahaha, kill yourself.

**Genosync** · 2006-07-29 04:06

Originally Posted by Hakamaru

Funny no one's mentioned the best part about that /. story. Someone suggested instead of banning speed / pos hackers and RMTs, they should just banish them all to a new server and let them duke it out. Sounds a little like "Escape from LA" or something, but you get the idea. I wonder how quickly RMT would create a new account on your server if their old account is still around on some other one somewhere. And lol @ the hackers who are then stuck on a server full of RMTs. Certainly a fate worse than banning.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Remora in a nutshell.

And it takes no longer than a month of 30k/day xping to level a job to 75. And it's so easy to pull 30k in a day.

**Forsakengod** · 2006-07-29 05:19

http://www.little-gamers.com/comics/00001404.jpg

**Balduran** · 2006-07-29 05:28

SE should at least consider investigating Gil-Buyers.

When ever there is a consumer.. there will always be a producer. Demolish the consumer, and the product will be no more. agree?

**BRP** · 2006-07-29 05:29

Its much easier to locate gil-sellers, and there is fewer gil sellers than there is gil buyers.

Less accounts lost, $$$.

**Balduran** · 2006-07-29 05:43

Then in my own humble opinion, if they keep banning the gil sellers, the consuming of this product is way too high! to possibly end by the methods that Square Enix are taking. Not trying to say it doesn't help, indeed it does. My ears heard crazy amounts of gil being bought, and some people don't give a shit about where or how their money comes then goes. After that recent account banning of gil sellers, I just took a look at the IGE prices and are as following:

Gil 50,000K
$995.99

You think no one has that money right now ? Tonz of people around the world are willing to buy that much any time. You and I should really take a look at some IGE financial statistics. The demand is way to high for this product to end, and I mean end as completly be over, by the ways SE are enduring.

**Ksandra** · 2006-07-29 08:58

Originally Posted by Balduran

After that recent account banning of gil sellers, I just took a look at the IGE prices and are as following:

Gil 50,000K
$995.99

LOL @ anyone who buys that.

That's an average person's monthly wages right there for pixels.

**Hyjynx** · 2006-07-29 13:25

lol Im poor irl and poor ingame, there's no hope for me

**Carbon** · 2006-07-29 13:48

Originally Posted by Daahan

Originally Posted by $omeguy

RMT being a Economical crime irl? Now that is something.

It really is.

In most cases a business transaction involves some kind of marginal benefit on both sides of the transaction and somehow get cycled back in to the economy.

I didn't really read this whole thread, but I disagree with this statement. It's providing a "service" which generally doesn't circulate money back into the economy. When a person goes to a salon and gets a back massage, how would it technically be any different? I don't see how the money would get circulated back in... the ONLY difference would be that the government is getting $2.00 in tax from that $40.00 you just spent to do it. That's it.

**Heavencloud** · 2006-07-29 13:49

Kujata

Gil 50,000K
$1,419.49

Wow the gilbuyers here must really be loaded irl...

**Pampei** · 2006-07-29 15:21

IGE:
74 Male Tarutaru Black Mage/42 White Mage/33 Ninja
With Awesome Gear, AF, Sweet Skills, Spells & Tons More!

wait a minute..

IGE:
Sweet Skills

LOL

you can buy those?

**Tencteri** · 2006-07-29 20:57

...what a bitchy way to ask the question. I mean, they say they support it and they look bad and you can say 'well I dont have sources but you admitted it LOL'. If they dont say they do they sound like they're hiding it. Just fucking bring the sources up front if you have any. If you don't, why are you so intent on smearing them?

You seem to have a lack of judgment if you are going to say that I have the intent of smearing SE. If I had an intent to smear SE, I would be saying shit about the company that isn't true, and I am not a fan of committing defamation or lying of any kind. Also, if you are saying that the question i'm asking is "bitchy", then you post here how you would ask the question if you think you can ask it better.

Some of the sources were already revealed on these forums, but not by me, and everyone already knows that SE really does support RMT. Look at what SE has done over the time, and they have knowledge of it and won't do anything about it when yet it can be fixed. Also, when a person or company lies, that means they are hiding something. All the proof and sources are already on the internet. Hell, you can even find some of them on these forums.[/code]

**Excalin Garisk** · 2006-07-29 21:07

Honestly if you have the proof post it. No one cares about your integrity if your not throwing down the goods. Without proof nothing is common sense....it is just meer speculation.

**Everlasting** · 2006-07-29 21:21

Ehhh, I don't think SE is "in on it" but they look the other way because it's mutually benificial.

**Daahan** · 2006-07-29 22:23

Originally Posted by Everlasting

Ehhh, I don't think SE is "in on it" but they look the other way because it's mutually benificial.

Most of the time, looking away is just as bad as being in on it.

**Everlasting** · 2006-07-29 23:15

Originally Posted by Daahan

Originally Posted by Everlasting

Ehhh, I don't think SE is "in on it" but they look the other way because it's mutually benificial.

Most of the time, looking away is just as bad as being in on it.

Of course.

But one is much easier to stomach morality-wise.

**Excalin Garisk** · 2006-07-29 23:18

Originally Posted by Everlasting

Originally Posted by Daahan

Originally Posted by Everlasting

Ehhh, I don't think SE is "in on it" but they look the other way because it's mutually benificial.

Most of the time, looking away is just as bad as being in on it.

Of course.

But one is much easier to stomach morality-wise.

Maybe for them but effect wise is all the players care about, and if they arent serving the player base then they should be ashamed either way.

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