Dynamis Mob's Attack

[Eaglestrike]

It's possible it gives more, but TBH it's obvious Dynamis mobs have ridiculous Attack just based on the fact that they can crit you for over 500 sometimes, even if with a respectable amoutn of Defense. 3,180 Attack actually seems like a fairly reasonable estimate.

Damage done would be 500 every hit if their attack was that high. A crit for 500 means their base DMG is 160-170ish. If their base attack was 3k+, they'd hit a pld with full buffs and minnes for 300+ a hit. That doesn't happen, it's a higher % increase. I'd imagine mob attack is closer to 400, maybe as high as 450, like most high end mobs.

...its much higher than that. My guess is like 800ish.

JP sites have Kirin at like 430 attack and such. As well as other mobs not being that high. Mob bonus' over players are: HP, WDMG, Magic resistance and tp moves. Other things aren't far off, that's why with a bard we can start overcoming mobs and owning them in tp burns.

Also, if their attack was 800ish, I'd see a huge change in dmg going from pld/war without tacos and defender to tacos and defender because I'd be taking pDIF from 2.0 to 1.0. The difference is not that huge, but it is something. That points at pDIF being closer to 1.0 with a base defense around 430ish.

[Gulkeeva]

I saw a few posts earlier comparing blu magic buffs to mobs, its not the same. Blue magic buffs are somewhat gimp compared to the mobs version, which can be tested by using voracious trunk and seeing for yourself.

Think Cacoon on a crawler is more like 70-75% def compared to 50% on a player, haven't tested but I know its weak compared to mobs.

[Kurokikaze]

Think Cacoon on a crawler is more like 70-75% def compared to 50% on a player, haven't tested but I know its weak compared to mobs.

Crawler's Cocoon when you Trunk it is 100% def buff. Sick.

[Eaglestrike]

Think Cacoon on a crawler is more like 70-75% def compared to 50% on a player, haven't tested but I know its weak compared to mobs.

Crawler's Cocoon when you Trunk it is 100% def buff. Sick.

What's funny is that an Acid Bolt will take away this buff and give it defense down lol

[Gulkeeva]

Think Cacoon on a crawler is more like 70-75% def compared to 50% on a player, haven't tested but I know its weak compared to mobs.

Crawler's Cocoon when you Trunk it is 100% def buff. Sick.

What's funny is that an Acid Bolt will take away this buff and give it defense down lol

If it cacoons again, it removes def down though /hax!

well for a player anyway >.>

[Russta]

Think Cacoon on a crawler is more like 70-75% def compared to 50% on a player, haven't tested but I know its weak compared to mobs.

Crawler's Cocoon when you Trunk it is 100% def buff. Sick.

What's funny is that an Acid Bolt will take away this buff and give it defense down lol

If it cacoons again, it removes def down though /hax!

well for a player anyway >.>

It goes both ways (LOL!).

One of my favourite places to level in the lowbies is the Crab part of Korroloka. It's only feasible with a job that has capped Marksmanship and Acid Bolts because of Scissor Guard. Becomes an epic battle of def down vs def up!

[BRP]

Five questions all with epic potential.

Can you Aura Steal from Charmed players?

Can you Aura Steal Food from players?

Can Aura Steal Reraise, mainly Reraise III, from players?

Have you tried stealing Trolls/Yorva boost move? (That could probably make you do some epic Weaponskill damage)

Can you steal Kurrea's food buffs?

EDIT: Oh wait... maybe nevermind, you can't dispell Kurrea's effects.

[Koyangi]

Can't dispel BLU AF3 Mob's Ice Spikes but they can be stolen via Voracious Trunk, so that logic won't work here :/

[Lordwafik]

Can't dispel BLU AF3 Mob's Ice Spikes but they can be stolen via Voracious Trunk, so that logic won't work here :/

Can be finale'd, watched a nin/brd + rdm/whm duo it.

[Koyangi]

Can't dispel BLU AF3 Mob's Ice Spikes but they can be stolen via Voracious Trunk, so that logic won't work here :/

Can be finale'd, watched a nin/brd + rdm/whm duo it.

O_O

[Rocl]

Can't dispel BLU AF3 Mob's Ice Spikes but they can be stolen via Voracious Trunk, so that logic won't work here :/

Can be finale'd, watched a nin/brd + rdm/whm duo it.

O_O

Jesus christ I said that in the BLU AF thread somewhere Soulflayers are just godly dark resistant

[Delekii]

Im confused - when you steal their warcry effect, you steal the percentage, not the +atk they get from it right?

So you should be looking at 159atk as a % of your base attack, rather than as 5% of the mob's base attack? Atleast thats how it works for voracious trunk.


For example, if you go out and voracious trunk (and I am assuming aura steal works the same) cocoon from a level 1 crawler in saruta, you get 100% bonus to your base defense, not the direct defense bonus that they recieve (which is more like 10 defense), right?

[Stromgarde]

Somewhat in line with BRP's question... Has anyone tried stealing Fantoon from a Nightmare Hippogryph in Valkurm yet? Due to the level cap in Riverne it's not normally testable, but that's some ridiculous shit right there.

[divisortheory]

Im confused - when you steal their warcry effect, you steal the percentage, not the +atk they get from it right?

So you should be looking at 159atk as a % of your base attack, rather than as 5% of the mob's base attack? Atleast thats how it works for voracious trunk.


For example, if you go out and voracious trunk (and I am assuming aura steal works the same) cocoon from a level 1 crawler in saruta, you get 100% bonus to your base defense, not the direct defense bonus that they recieve (which is more like 10 defense), right?

Well, I don't know really. Perhaps there's no way to know. It would make more sense to me personally stealing their actual number, not percentage, but I can see how it could easily work either way.

[Jeryhn]

Im confused - when you steal their warcry effect, you steal the percentage, not the +atk they get from it right?

So you should be looking at 159atk as a % of your base attack, rather than as 5% of the mob's base attack? Atleast thats how it works for voracious trunk.


For example, if you go out and voracious trunk (and I am assuming aura steal works the same) cocoon from a level 1 crawler in saruta, you get 100% bonus to your base defense, not the direct defense bonus that they recieve (which is more like 10 defense), right?

You're stealing the actual buff, which determines it own enhancement on your stats. It makes sense to say you're acquiring the percentage.

Easy way to test: Steal Cocoon from a Crawler in Saruta, then steal it from a Crawler in the tree, or on the nest. If the enhancement you get is the same from both monsters, the effect you steal is based off of the percentage of the buff, not direct numbers.

[Hyjynx]

You're stealing the actual buff, which determines it own enhancement on your stats. It makes sense to say you're acquiring the percentage.

Exactly, and I don’t understand why it might it have been assumed otherwise.
Getting a larger attack boost from a mob's warcry effect is indicative of a higher multiplier and not a higher base stat, which was modified by said effect.

I don’t doubt that mobs have an insane attack stat, but the amount of attack you gained by stealing their effect had no connection to that stat.

[Snarg]

Couldn't you just equip/de-equip some +ATK gear to see if the change is a flat value or a percentage?

[Cythe]

Couldn't you just equip/de-equip some +ATK gear to see if the change is a flat value or a percentage?

I did this when testing the % attack boost of Rage from sheep, and determined it to be 66% if my memory serves correctly.

As a few have said, Cocoon is 100%, whether from a level 1 Crawler, or a level 60 Crawler. Scissor Guard is also 100% DEF boost. Shame they don't stack. D:

I'm going to go ahead and assume Secretion is a % boost as well, though I am not sure. I did notice the mob missing me a lot more when I had it on then I was missing him when he had it on though, and since I was much higher level, I assume that too is a % boost.