What they've should of done with BST merits.

[Lordwafik]

Most people who have the af2 gloves say it doesnt have any noticable effect on pet performance, and hence it can be assumed that they dont boost the level. If they do, it is only by 1 or at most 2 levels.

Full merits without af2 gloves (which most bst dont have, being a xarc af and bst not being overly desirable in dynamis), can only bring a 65 pet to 71 - totally worthless in any end game situation. If the gloves add 2 levels, the pet is still only 73, and while not totally worthless, a very big difference to 75. The difference between a 71 funguar and a 75 carrie means that bsts the world over will STILL be using carrie 99% of the time - ie the merits are close to worthless. You can get 1 merit to bring carrie up to 75 consistantly, and then there is no point going further. Carrie sucks arse, but its like getting a level 65 WAR to DD, or a 75 PLD in a tank setup to DD - they both suck arse.

Carrie isnt 75, nor is it 70, I dont think it's even low 70's because it cant consistently hit deco weapons, which any 70 people, or lvl70 monsters can.

I have full BST af2, I hardly notice a difference on my enhanced call beast.

Carrie is a piece of shit. How bout making nonhq jugpets uncapped and good? I farmed about 3 hours worth and paid 200kish for beastmen blood that I didn't farm for a stack of 104 T2 HQ cooking bullshit pets that lasted 15 mins. No other job has to pay/farm taht rediculous amount of stuff for mediocre damage (including you mr. ranger, lets see how you'd like it if the only arrows that were good were T2/T1 HQ from a 100+ synther).

It's sad how when we duo'd your BRD and my THF we were doing 8.5k/hr chain5's, and if we did it on BST I highly doubt we'd get near that.

[Delekii]

I was talking about with full merits - I wont even be meriting BST affinity at all until they make it worthwhile (ie - able to make a pet other than carrie worth using) because like you said and i said, the only time I ever use it is to give me time to log off.

I think SE are wary of making Funguar a viable end game pet, considering they are only 8k/4hours and would destroy 90% of the pet-making market.

Speaking as a 90+ cook, SE, FUCKING MAKE FUNGUAR PETS ENDGAME PLEASE!

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

How about this: Merit your fucking beast affinity and instead of spouting THEORIES about how much it sucks, prove it. Most FFXI players fucking complain complain complain and don't even try shit. Here: Try it (maybe the boost is good enough to make fungaur pets worthwhileomg), see if it sucks, THEN bitch about it.

[epigram]

HQ funguar PET :/ Make it like level 55 so it's still possible for tier 3. Also make it with cheap items like 2x danceroom + water crystal.

EDIT:

JOE how about STFU until you know what your talking about. You sound like one of those fag beasts that were happy post nerf because they were too damn stupid to not aggro their pets after release :/

I actually have upgraded it once so far and it pretty much sucks, do I SOLO another 9 merits to find out if it continues to suck? We will see...

BTW BST AF2 gloves already have been shown to suck.

[Lordwafik]

How about this: Merit your fucking beast affinity and instead of spouting THEORIES about how much it sucks, prove it.

Theories? LOL

How about this.

2 + 2 = ?

2 + 2 = 4

65 + 6 = 71

You're not a BST. Give me 30k xp and I'll go merit it, give me 40k xp i'll upgrade it, give me 50k xp and i'll finish it off, but dont give me shit about weather or not something quite factual is theory or not, K?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

How about this: Merit your fucking beast affinity and instead of spouting THEORIES about how much it sucks, prove it.

Theories? LOL

How about this.

2 + 2 = ?

2 + 2 = 4

65 + 6 = 71

You're not a BST. Give me 30k xp and I'll go merit it, give me 40k xp i'll upgrade it, give me 50k xp and i'll finish it off, but dont give me shit about weather or not something quite factual is theory or not, K?

What you dont know is how much of a those 6 levels will buff the fungaur etc pets. Give it a fucking shot or quit bitching.

[Delekii]

Why do people even use that fucking argument?

I HATE IT when people say go try it for yourself, when its a fucking logical outcome. That is my biggest pet hate, when people assume that because you havent experienced something first hand, you cant know how it turns out.


I havent had my hand ground in a coffee blender, but I am 100% sure it wouldnt be a pleasant experience.

You assume that we dont know how low level pets perform on high level mobs, max, but you forget that we have access to NATURAL low level pets and use them on high level mobs REGULARLY - it is the method that is used on 99% of NM's that BST can solo. Ill tell you how they perform - like fucking garbage, thats how. An 8 level difference between pet and prey (71 pet compared to a VT prey) means accuracy and damage up shit creek. And that is a natural pet, which is stronger than a jug pet.

If you use pets 8 levels below a mob, it will take 500 pet swaps to kill the mob, and often you have to take a few hits before they can even get hate off you, because they suck that much.

[Lordwafik]

Why do people even use that fucking argument?

I HATE IT when people say go try it for yourself, when its a fucking logical outcome. That is my biggest pet hate, when people assume that because you havent experienced something first hand, you cant know how it turns out.

It's because he's a retard, he cannot see logical outcomes or something. I say 2 + 2 = 4, he sees 2 + 2 = a farting unicorn.

Anyway, max, 6 levels dont do squat to mobs that are level 80+

Let's have this test, go charm an EP mob, and set it on a IT, and then go charm an EM mob, and set it on an IT, which one is more accurate?

OH WAIT WE ALL HAVE DONE THAT IN BOYAHDA!!! Charming Korrigans vs Goobue, aswell as Mouriouche vs Goobue. Same with Robber crab and Steelshells vs Goobue. We all lived in boyahda at one point and had fun messing about, oh we cant do that anymore since our pets go whooosh and vanish.

Why should we test something that we already know the outcome of?.

You stop your bitching about us bitching, especially since you're unnaffected by this at all.

[Mifaco]

How about this: Merit your fucking beast affinity and instead of spouting THEORIES about how much it sucks, prove it.

Theories? LOL

How about this.

2 + 2 = ?

2 + 2 = 4

65 + 6 = 71

You're not a BST. Give me 30k xp and I'll go merit it, give me 40k xp i'll upgrade it, give me 50k xp and i'll finish it off, but dont give me shit about weather or not something quite factual is theory or not, K?

What you dont know is how much of a those 6 levels will buff the fungaur etc pets. Give it a fucking shot or quit bitching.

it doesn't take a genius to know that a EP-DC JUG PET will still suck against EXP mobs.

[necravolver]

Kabura arrows cap at lvl 90 i believe...

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

But is it enough damage to make up the gap between you and other DDs? Of course its not your only source of damage, you have axes, swing them. They wont do as much as a WAR but it adds up.

Honestly, it seems that unless something crazy impressive (IE absorb-tp) is added, people wont take any notice at all.

[Delekii]

Kabura arrows cap at lvl 90 i believe...

there is a GIGANTIC difference between capping at 90 and at 100. 90 cap means you can easily break tier 1, and obtain a better than 10% hq rate. 100 cap means that hqs are rare and can never be expected - there are more haubergeon +1's than there are hqs of the new consumable jug pets. that is just wrong.

[epigram]

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAXX

No shit we do damage with axe, no shit it makes up for our shitty pets. Will beast affinity help us though? Magic 8 ball, my parsings, and my level 1 Beast affinity all point to "Not likely."

[necravolver]

Kabura arrows cap at lvl 90 i believe...

there is a GIGANTIC difference between capping at 90 and at 100. 90 cap means you can easily break tier 1, and obtain a better than 10% hq rate. 100 cap means that hqs are rare and can never be expected - there are more haubergeon +1's than there are hqs of the new consumable jug pets. that is just wrong.

even so, Kabura arrows are expensive atm on ifrit over 500k for 12 stacks, i dunno how much the new jugs are, but i dunno if theyre that expensive.

[epigram]

The nice thing about those arrows is that when you NQ you still get something that's worth a shit.

BTW, Amigo is 200k for 10min of fun. Other new HQ's are 100kish for 10-20min of excitement.

[Lordwafik]

Kabura arrows cap at lvl 90 i believe...

there is a GIGANTIC difference between capping at 90 and at 100. 90 cap means you can easily break tier 1, and obtain a better than 10% hq rate. 100 cap means that hqs are rare and can never be expected - there are more haubergeon +1's than there are hqs of the new consumable jug pets. that is just wrong.

even so, Kabura arrows are expensive atm on ifrit over 500k for 12 stacks, i dunno how much the new jugs are, but i dunno if theyre that expensive.

New jugs - NQ's cap at lvl50, HQ are the only ones worth having in xp, the pets themselves are great but the annoying thing about them is they are t1 HQ at level 100, t2 @ lvl104, so the person needs one peice of cooking GP item.

The ingredients are also very rare and so far apart, it's not even worth going to farm them for the amount of time the pets have on them (15mins and they go poof, even if you use BST 2hour).

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAXX

No shit we do damage with axe, no shit it makes up for our shitty pets. Will beast affinity help us though? Magic 8 ball, my parsings, and my level 1 Beast affinity all point to "Not likely."

Heres my point: You say you're gimped. I say this will help. You say no, we've fought stuff with this level divide. I say give it a shot. You say I'm an idiot and think 2+2=farting unicorns. You fail to realize not all mobs have the same fucking stats at the same level.

Using carrie as an example: Carrie is like a PLD without cures, right? Now lets say you have a level 75 PLD in tanking gear. You also have a level 71 WAR (another 65 cap pet+6 levels). Which will do more damage? This is why I say try it out. As nice as guesses are, they're just that, guesses.

[Lordwafik]

You fail to realize not all mobs have the same fucking stats at the same level.

If that's the case, and we've tested out all the crabs on various levels, why are you telling us to use Beast Affinity with Courrier Carrie? Or even multi levelled Funguars (ones in Ayweeda v Boyahda)?

The "best"(i use that term loosely) uncapped pets = Carrie and Homonuclusthing. Mandy + Crabby, which we've charmed on many many levels to know how a lvlXX one should act.

Using carrie as an example: Carrie is like a PLD without cures, right?

Without cures, without high attack, without double attack, without job traits, without accuracy, without any useful WS.

Now lets say you have a level 75 PLD in tanking gear. You also have a level 71 WAR (another 65 cap pet+6 levels). Which will do more damage? This is why I say try it out.

The war obviously, but you just said carrie is like a PLD, not a WAR, I dont see your point.

As nice as guesses are, they're just that, guesses.

While we BST already know the answers, the only person who is making guesses is you.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Now lets say you have a level 75 PLD in tanking gear. You also have a level 71 WAR (another 65 cap pet+6 levels). Which will do more damage? This is why I say try it out.

The war obviously, but you just said carrie is like a PLD, not a WAR, I dont see your point.

I meant to say the WAR was the fungaur. Sorry, gawd.

[quote:1b132]As nice as guesses are, they're just that, guesses.

While we BST already know the answers, the only person who is making guesses is you.[/quote:1b132]

Unless you've tested a 71 fungaur familiar, you don't really know. Hell, mobs of the same type dont even always have the same stats. My point is you don't know until you know.

[Lordwafik]

[quote:e3967]As nice as guesses are, they're just that, guesses.

While we BST already know the answers, the only person who is making guesses is you.

Unless you've tested a 71 fungaur familiar, you don't really know. Hell, mobs of the same type dont even always have the same stats. My point is you don't know until you know.[/quote:e3967]

Which mobs of the same type dont have similar stats aside from special mobs like linking Clippers in Mamook etc?

We've charmed many mobs in our careers from 1-75, I have not came across Korrigans being statistically different aside from the obvious scaling up, than their white counterparts. The only major diff we'd see is one aggros/links, one doesnt, or if it's a BCNM mob.

Anyway, the closest way to testing a lvl71 funguar is this :
http://ffxi.somepage.com/mobdb/3725

Which got slaughtered by the tigers/ameretats etc.

Like mifaco said, it doesnt take a genious to figure out how an EP/DC mob works on T/VT/IT mobs. It's like taking a 71 WAR to the North mamook spot, burden to the party.