What they've should of done with BST merits.

[SephYuyX]

BST doesn't really excel at anything though. Any job can /bst and do just as well. New merits didn't change that either, in fact the new merits for other jobs enpowered them even more as /bst and bst obtained 0 utility.

Now now epigram, we got a circle ability now, i'm sure we're going to be fucking spammed with party invites so they can get our circle abilities!


Here's another merit i'd love to have :

Charm the fucking beastmen. Wheee 50 more areas to xp opened up, aswell as us being more of a utility to the crowd control scenario. Oh troll pop? np charm > 2hour > sic it on cerb. Charm mamools and have them on your side while you fight shit, etc.

Thats one thing ive always wanted to do, it would be great if there was some sort of trait, or even a JA to charm uncharmable things, no NMs 'impossible to gauge' ofcourse. Manticore, undead, arcana, beastment; those would be really great to have as pets.

Charm beastmen, new jug pets and a skill specific sic would be an amazing addition.


And about BST being situational, Tiamat and Xolotl? "Uhh.. take the links please" BST is about as situation as DRG. "well shit.. no wars, or mnks, or rngs.. or anything but a DRG and BST seeking" "hmm well.. lets continue with 5 then" lol

[solsovly]

Everyone has yet to explain why all jobs should be elevated to the exact same levels in terms of damage output. Different jobs have different uses in different situations and are capable of varying levels of damage vs utility, and that's the way it should be. The job change function exists so that you can get the best of all worlds.

Best post in this thread.

Yes, varying levels of damage and utiltiy. War obviously loses a ton of its utility because of its damage output. Ninja's also sacrifice their DD capabilities so they can tank in most parties as well. If you think that the damage vs utility is balanced, I will be shocked. After 35, BST gets 0 useful abilities and or traits.

Charm beastmen, new jug pets and a skill specific sic would be an amazing addition.


And about BST being situational, Tiamat and Xolotl? "Uhh.. take the links please" BST is about as situation as DRG. "well shit.. no wars, or mnks, or rngs.. or anything but a DRG and BST seeking" "hmm well.. lets continue with 5 then" lol

That about sums it up.

[Delekii]

If the BST has RDM or WHM leveled too, BST main at 75 becomes pretty close to obsolete. That is something that just shouldnt happen -_-

If people want you for merits, they will get you on a mage job and get another melee (and I would let them, because I like better XP).

If you are needed for bst-type tasks, aka kiting or link control, WHM/BST or RDM/BST is so much greater than BST/XXX its not funny. Hello same charm rate as main BST, with reraise, stoneskin, flash, movement speed items, refresh, shell, protect, bind, gravity, silence... etc. The problem with mentioning this, though, is that although the logical way to fix this would be to ADD something to the BST main job that isnt available on sub (which these new merits provided the perfect, failed, oppourtunity to do), knowing SE if they ever decide to fix this imbalance, it will be by nerfing the fuck out of /bst, which will suck major hiney.

The only time BST main is useful while /BST is not, is for stuff where the jug pet is so high level it kills stuff faster than any downtime would make up for on another job.

I LOVE my BST. Tomorrow it is going to ding 75 after a 2 year or so hike, and it will be my greatest achievement in this game bar none. I will use it for my own personal enjoyment, and NOTHING else, because the fact that I can go WHM/BST or RDM/BST makes it totally superfluous to me. That is not something that should happen to any job, and particularly not one that takes as much time and effort as BST does to level -_-

[Fng]

If you are needed for bst-type tasks, aka kiting or link control, WHM/BST or RDM/BST is so much greater than BST/XXX its not funny. Hello same charm rate as main BST, with reraise, stoneskin, flash, movement speed items, refresh, shell, protect, bind, gravity, silence... etc. The problem with mentioning this, though, is that although the logical way to fix this would be to ADD something to the BST main job that isnt available on sub (which these new merits provided the perfect, failed, oppourtunity to do), knowing SE if they ever decide to fix this imbalance, it will be by nerfing the fuck out of /bst, which will suck major hiney.

QFT... I have been out leveling WHM as WHM/BST because of limited time. A real stoneskin, Flash, Holy, Shellbuster, Nobles Refresh, paralyze, slow = Non stop chain 4.

BST is all about stacks of Kindred / beastmen seals.

The only thing they need to do is let us Merit Affinty to 5/6 (Sup lvl 75 Fungar)

[MisterBob]

Want to fix BST in merits? Let me quiver Virtue Stones.

I just got Monster Gloves the other day, kinda sad to hear they arent so hot. But I mainly wanted BST to 75 as a solo job. Prolly will do RDM next, since both my jobs (BLM and BST) suck ass for meriting :/

[Keftenk]

If you are needed for bst-type tasks, aka kiting or link control, WHM/BST or RDM/BST is so much greater than BST/XXX its not funny. Hello same charm rate as main BST, with reraise, stoneskin, flash, movement speed items, refresh, shell, protect, bind, gravity, silence... etc. The problem with mentioning this, though, is that although the logical way to fix this would be to ADD something to the BST main job that isnt available on sub (which these new merits provided the perfect, failed, oppourtunity to do), knowing SE if they ever decide to fix this imbalance, it will be by nerfing the fuck out of /bst, which will suck major hiney.

The only time BST main is useful while /BST is not, is for stuff where the

/clap
So true ;/
There are zero rewards (as far as abilities go) for us past lv 35, Resist Slow >_> and some killer abilities in which any job can get from other piece of equipment. We are cheated for leveling BST past level 35 because by the time any other person gets a different job to LV 70, purchase an Apollo's Staff and you should be good on charming shit with /BST. You can release, you can sic, you can basically do everything we can do.

I guess what is it that really defines BST? Jugs.
But as said in this entire thread, we all know what good those are and how often they are actually used. So many things wrong with BST, but SE consider's us powerful, really curious why they would think that...

[Gasgul]

If the BST has RDM or WHM leveled too, BST main at 75 becomes pretty close to obsolete. That is something that just shouldnt happen -_-

If people want you for merits, they will get you on a mage job and get another melee (and I would let them, because I like better XP).

If you are needed for bst-type tasks, aka kiting or link control, WHM/BST or RDM/BST is so much greater than BST/XXX its not funny. Hello same charm rate as main BST, with reraise, stoneskin, flash, movement speed items, refresh, shell, protect, bind, gravity, silence... etc. The problem with mentioning this, though, is that although the logical way to fix this would be to ADD something to the BST main job that isnt available on sub (which these new merits provided the perfect, failed, oppourtunity to do), knowing SE if they ever decide to fix this imbalance, it will be by nerfing the fuck out of /bst, which will suck major hiney.

The only time BST main is useful while /BST is not, is for stuff where the jug pet is so high level it kills stuff faster than any downtime would make up for on another job.

I LOVE my BST. Tomorrow it is going to ding 75 after a 2 year or so hike, and it will be my greatest achievement in this game bar none. I will use it for my own personal enjoyment, and NOTHING else, because the fact that I can go WHM/BST or RDM/BST makes it totally superfluous to me. That is not something that should happen to any job, and particularly not one that takes as much time and effort as BST does to level -_-

you are a turd,

Bst is the only job where its subs need to be 75 to allow BST to be effective,

like i said,

75bst=/75bst
your not playing as an RDM/??? when you sub 75bst to it,
you play as a BST,

and for that you are a clown, and of all the people in this game having played the most out of the box thinking job that it has to offer you still cant grasp this concept,

it floors me every single time,

nearly any job subbing a fully leveled BST can do amazing things,

75whm/bst, Brilliant a BST that can cast raise3, reraise3, regen3, etc, but a capable BST none the less,
75rdm/bst, awesome a BST that can Debuff at full strength, refresh
75nin/bst, can you say over powered? believe me it is,
75thf/bst, one of the most lucrative jobs in the game,
75rng/bst, batter up ppl, ever seen these guys murder pots in sky?


point is if you think your not a bst when you sub it you are and idiot,


some clown who gets BST to 37 and subs to another job is going to pale in comparison to someone who has put the effort in to get it to 75,

[Delekii]

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what the hell are you on about, you are saying the same thing as I did, and then abusing me for it? lol.


What I said, is that it SUCKS that almost anything /bst is more powerful than bst/anything, provided your bst is 75. I WANT bst main to be more powerful than it is, when it is your main. I DONT WANT to have to sub BST to get the most use out of it, I want it to be powerful in its own right. They could have done this with the merits, but they didnt.

Make sure when you abuse someone, you arent on the same side as them, lol.

[Rocl]

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what the hell are you on about, you are saying the same thing as I did, and then abusing me for it? lol.


What I said, is that it SUCKS that almost anything /bst is more powerful than bst/anything, provided your bst is 75. I WANT bst main to be more powerful than it is, when it is your main. I DONT WANT to have to sub BST to get the most use out of it, I want it to be powerful in its own right. They could have done this with the merits, but they didnt.

Make sure when you abuse someone, you arent on the same side as them, lol.

ya rly I read his post, then read the quoted material, then read the post again..

Hi I agree with you but you're stupid, k?

[Gasgul]

it doesnt effing suck,

the job being of equal power when subbed to another makes the job stronger, greater, more versatile,

hence there is nothing wrong with it, it doesnt suck, it is great, it is a damn reward ,

stop saying it sux,

there is nothing wrong or bad about a 75rdm/75bst, thats what im saying,

I want it left as is, its fine,

[Delekii]

which, again, is EXACTLY what I said.

Infact, I went as far as to say I was worried about talking about how good job/bst is, because instead of boosting BST main, they would nerf BST sub.


So again, what are you on about?

Just so we are clear, I am not talking about having BST as a main 75, and subbing it to another job - that is not my issue. I want to be able to walk around as a 75BST/37whatever, and be more useful than I am as a 75whatever/37BST. This is not currently the case.

Call it a reward or whatever you want, thats fine. I love being able to sub bst and be incredibly powerful. I would love it more if I could be incredibly powerful and be ON MY BST MAIN. That is what I am saying.

[Gasgul]

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you nor i, should trust SE's hand in any way shape or form, to amend anything.
2
in hnm with the current afforded state of the mechanics, which class you have as main or sub is not the issue, it is how they are used together that is,

game doesnt need another DD or healer or support or tank,

it just needs to be left alone as it festers and dies,

current amendments only increase the required minimum to accomplish certain tasks,

rng's kicking ass? rather than creating new content that were resistant to ranged what did they do? nerf them, so veterans who could cull sky in record times were now wasting thier time on something that took them 2 to 3 times as long,

blm's same, rather than going new stuff make it more challenging, nope, lets f@$k everybody,

its come to a point i rather SE not touch an effing thing than try to fix something,

considering that they consider a Gilseller owned website a premium partner shows how far upthier collective effing asses thier heads are.

[Lordwafik]

lvl45 - Charm Arcana

lvl55 - Charm "Greater Creatures" - Big Birds / Morbols / Manticores / Goobooes etc

lvl65 - Charm Beastmen (i'd love to see an army of 2houred demons fighting jormy :D)

lvl75 - Charm undead (Ghosts/Skeletons/Corse etc)

And then finally people will have a reason for bringing BST as major crowd control. Imagine a giant dynamis train turned into nothing, because a bunch of bsts charmed/released to hate reset the mobs?

Imagine wherever, sky or something, the BST can charm their way up or solo olla or whatever, that whole place is arcana infested.

At those levels, the charms cannot be subbed, /bst is still powerful for soloing on other mage jobs, and then bst/--- can become useful in endgame battles. Everyone wins.


As of now, I cant think of one situation where my bst/whm outperformed my rdm/bst. Heck, even at tiamat I was rdm/bst and doing my job very well, barfire shell4 SS Phalanx made me take 0 dmg Fiery breaths, when other bsts were dying.

What i'm going to do right now is send this to SE's suggestions, tell them that we want other reasons to lvl BST up past 35, I will not tell them that /bst has the same charm rate once bst/--- is 75 because it'll get nerfed. I would really love the other monsters to charm. Hell make it a merit point, I dont care.

[BRP]

lvl55 - Charm "Greater Creatures" - Big Birds / Morbols / Manticores / Goobooes etc

In my opinion charming Arcana/Undead/maybe Beastmen is a tad bit out of character. And, Dynamis is all NMs ;p. However, the one I quoted is pretty sad it isn't in the game yet. BST killing shit with Rams is about as epeen a BST could get. I'd say make Reward a lot more effective for BST and a lot less effective for /BST(for one, make the regen main job exclusive). Jug Pets should be as reliable to a BST as Thunder IV is to a BLM, in my opinion. Always be DC compared to the player and able to be made EM to T or VT with gear and merits. The best thing they could do with Reward is prevent monsters from disappear instantly that have its Regen on. They would just sit there, without aggro, recovering to max HP until reward's regen wears. No wait, scratch that... they should do that in the first place, then stay longer with Reward's regen.

A BST with optimal use of reward should be an old-school BST and BST with Jugpets should be a complete monster in experience points party on VT monsters.

PS. Killer effects should be more effective than +Haste for tanking.

[Delekii]

they should introduce pet food that works like real pc food - they have shown they have the mechanic for altering pet stats on the fly with corsair rolls.


they can make a roll that gives pet attack up/acc up, so therefore, it is not unthinkable that they could make sushi/meat for pets too. easy to control and modify the effect if it is too weak/powerful in patches, adds more, and incredibly desireable, consumables to the game and gives cooks a new niech... i dont know why they wouldnt do it

[Ahkow]

lvl65 - Charm Beastmen (i'd love to see an army of 2houred demons fighting jormy :D)

it will be much cooler if it can charm dynamis mob ...

[solsovly]

it doesnt effing suck,

the job being of equal power when subbed to another makes the job stronger, greater, more versatile,

hence there is nothing wrong with it, it doesnt suck, it is great, it is a damn reward ,

stop saying it sux,

there is nothing wrong or bad about a 75rdm/75bst, thats what im saying,

I want it left as is, its fine,

Good god, your posts are hard to read.

Here is what everyone including you are saying: if you are BST at 75, subbing bst to any job is completely kickass and a great reward.

We are asking to enhance BST main. You are not a BST when you go RDM/BST. You are a RDM with the full charming power of a BST.
That said, theres no point in being a BST main outside of jugpets if you have another job at 75. We arn't asking to nerf /bst.

We are asking to enhance BST main. Give us a real reason for BST main to outdue /bst. Right now it hasn't. You can argue that you need a high level BST to sub it, but I didn't level BST to 75 for the purpose of subbing it. As Lordwafik has posted amongst others, its actually BETTER and MORE powerful to go as RDM/BST or WHM/BST etc than to go as BST/NIN or BST/WHM outside of jugpets.

I don't even want to address the rest of your nonsensical post.

[Amadeo]

if we could sic at anytime and choose the TP move at anytime,itd be fucking awesom,id be happy and id start smiling again; ;

Sic Recast Timer 20secs please!(andzoolater hat would be more useful!)
Choosing TP moves:
<everyone> bst will just choose 1k needles.
<BST>but it will cost 300k to do 1k dmg.
<Everyone> but what about places where there are cactuar?
<BST> look at these jobs: WAR MNK kthx
<Everyone> w/e you just keep making excuses
<BST> ditto.

Gah, I hate: AmigoSabotender uses Needleshot. -.-

[Tordall]

lvl65 - Charm Beastmen (i'd love to see an army of 2houred demons fighting jormy :D)

it will be much cooler if it can charm dynamis mob ...

Meritable JA: Charm NM. I'ld 2 hour Vrtra or Jorgy and wreck havok for 30 minutes. I'ld also be trying to 'claim with charm' at every single HNM camp. When my 2 hour was over, I'ld leave the big-bad HNM at the lowest-level entrance to whatever zone I was.

Seriously though. I actually leveled beastmaster to 75 as a subjob for bard. I'm seriously considering leveling red mage now so I can go rdm/bst.

[Epidemic]

lvl65 - Charm Beastmen (i'd love to see an army of 2houred demons fighting jormy :D)

it will be much cooler if it can charm dynamis mob ...

Meritable JA: Charm NM. I'ld 2 hour Vrtra or Jorgy and wreck havok for 30 minutes. I'ld also be trying to 'claim with charm' at every single HNM camp. When my 2 hour was over, I'ld leave the big-bad HNM at the lowest-level entrance to whatever zone I was.

Seriously though. I actually leveled beastmaster to 75 as a subjob for bard. I'm seriously considering leveling red mage now so I can go rdm/bst.

No, just no