Ridill War VS Axe War With Corsair

[Cursed]

This Subject has probably been covered. call me lazy , not searching through endless pages of spam (some of which i helped generate ^^ )

OK, Ridills multiple attacks do NOT stack with Double attack.
With Fighters Roll, Brutal Earring and capped Merits on DA,
Are AXE/AXE Wars Coming closer to the dmg of AXE/Ridill Wars?
would be Nice if we could get a WAR main with the right merits, setup and gear to parse himself vs the same mobs, same pt setup, using the same food.

[Ryko]

Yes, they're coming closer.
No, a ridill WAR will still floor an axe/axe WAR in total DMG output.
But on the bright side the axe/axe WAR will have higher damage per swing and average skill damage. <_<

I could get kkel to come parse with me with woodville's/juggernaut if I could get a corsair and a camp open long enough.

[Cursed]

wouldn't man/jugger be better than wood/jugger?

EDIT: try Ul. Range, always free on my server while the morons swamp caedevra and the thickets

[Ryko]

Yes but on T-VT mobs does it really matter? Kkel sold his maneater ages ago and the only reason I even have one is that amadeo had one left over when he gave dant back to me <_< otherwise I'd still be using my woodville's (which I still own) too.

Edit: Yeah we usually end up going there on free days. Got ks99 and ouryu today so it's likely gonna be tomorrow earliest.

[Rilu]

This Subject has probably been covered. call me lazy , not searching through endless pages of spam (some of which i helped generate ^^ )

OK, Ridills multiple attacks do NOT stack with Double attack.
With Fighters Roll, Brutal Earring and capped Merits on DA,
Are AXE/AXE Wars Coming closer to the dmg of AXE/Ridill Wars?
would be Nice if we could get a WAR main with the right merits, setup and gear to parse himself vs the same mobs, same pt setup, using the same food.

Did you say what I think you said? Warriors with the aid of a Corsairs rolls- are coming close to being just like a ridill warrior?

I think if you put them BOTH in a party with the COR, you'd still get the ridill warrior outdamaging the other one.

[Ryko]

You would but the ridill (offhand) WAR would get only slightly more than half the benefit of a fighter's roll than a dual axe WAR would, with a ridill/joytoy WAR making it almost totally useless until WS.

[Manwe]

Did you say what I think you said? Warriors with the aid of a Corsairs rolls- are coming close to being just like a ridill warrior?

I think if you put them BOTH in a party with the COR, you'd still get the ridill warrior outdamaging the other one.

I think what he is getting at is that double attack doesnt proc with ridill so based simply on that, he wants to know who will do more.

[Ryko]

The ridill WAR still will, the gap will be cut by a decent bit though.

[Cursed]

thanks. the dmg difference also would be nice to see. my non parsed observations tell me Ridill isn't worth the 200 points anymore. And definetly not worth the
You Find a Ridill on Fafnir

Random LS member
>RIDILL!!

WAR WITH MOST POINTS WHO HAS WAITED 2 YRS FOR THIS DAY
>MINE!OMG!! WOWOWOWO!! RIDILL!


BRD/WAR/BLM75 who Recently lvl'd war and 5 points
GIVE ME!

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Of course, I don't have one.

[Ryko]

Ridill drama is hilarious and almost not worth the headache, but the sword is all sorts of ridiculous so meh.

[NynJa]

Did you say what I think you said? Warriors with the aid of a Corsairs rolls- are coming close to being just like a ridill warrior?

I think if you put them BOTH in a party with the COR, you'd still get the ridill warrior outdamaging the other one.

I think what he is getting at is that double attack doesnt proc with ridill so based simply on that, he wants to know who will do more.

Um, why the fuck can you not Double Attack with Ridill ?? Last I checked, there is a 33% chance that it will only attack once...Double Attack cant proc on that one hit ?

[Kaylia]

In xp party, Ridill war should win if both are geared properly, but difference shouldn't be that large. The weaker the mob is, the large the difference should be. Corsair roll is like 15% more swing, meaning dmg should be increased by 15% too. If we exclude different delay, a ridill war should get half of this increase on the first hand, and like 1/3 of the increase on 2nd hand (when ridill doesnt proc, you can still double attack normally). If you also take in consideration ~1/3 of your total dmg is from WS, and that double attack will work the same for both war, a Ridill war won't lose that much

On HNM, corsair or no, axe/axe = axe/ridill with proper gear. With temperance torque, I wouldnt be surprised if they could outdamage ridill on stuff like Kirin. Before I got my ridill and swapped my merit, I could keep up with ridill war on stuff like Kirin, faf, Chevelnik.

[Demonsamurai]

my non parsed observations tell me Ridill isn't worth the 200 points anymore.

This made me lol

[Cursed]

Ridill is a great weapon. But don't give it more credit than its worth.
I've outdamaged Ridill Wars. Same gear, same race, same mobs, same food. I however had merits, they didn't. It's not a make or break weapon. There are no make or break weapons in this game, Including Relics. Ridill only worth it in the hands of a good war.



Anyways, parsed objective info will show the truth. My money is on the war with the best gear, 2 axe's, capped merits (Including Axe+8) , good /equip macro's, Savagry etc etc, vs the same WAR with Ridill.

[Ryko]

It's more like a 25% chance to attack once, 50 to attack twice, 25% to attack 3 times. At least it feels that way, though that might just be the fact that I use it on warrior predominantly and my DA trait is kicking in a lot on those single attacks putting a majority in the middle, not that I'd notice the difference or anything.

Anyway the point is that DA will only kick in during that 1/4-1/3 of the time it decides to attack once, whereas it has a chance to kick in every swing for an axe/axe WAR.

I've outdamaged Ridill Wars. Same gear, same race, same mobs, same food. I however had merits, they didn't.

Merits alone give you a 16 ATK, 12-14 acc, 5 STR, 4% crit, 4 double attack and -25% zerk/aggressor cooldown time over him, that's more than most gear gives aside from haste builds.

Anyways, parsed objective info will show the truth. My money is on the war with the best gear, 2 axe's, capped merits (Including Axe+Cool , good /equip macro's, Savagry etc etc, vs the same WAR with Ridill.

Parse after parse (assuming I even remember to turn it on anymore) showing me that the only 2 people to every outparse me were an identically geared ridill WAR and a pimped out BB MNK/WAR (while I was using the wrong food <_< I caught up an hour and a half later) tell me differently but ok <_<

[Kaylia]

I type slow. 30minutes late

[Cursed]

I type slow. 30minutes late

lol nvm my previouse post, you replied to it already.

[Kaylia]

Ridill drama is hilarious and almost not worth the headache, but the sword is all sorts of ridiculous so meh.

BLM'S HQ staves probably increase their own dmg more than what Ridill does to a war in most situation at 75

It's more like a 25% chance to attack once, 50 to attack twice, 25% to attack 3 times. At least it feels that way, though that might just be the fact that I use it on warrior predominantly and my DA trait is kicking in a lot on those single attacks putting a majority in the middle, not that I'd notice the difference or anything.

Seem correct. But isn't War's DA 10%+5% brutal + 5% merit +3% war AF1 feet, making it +15% for most ridill user. Or maybe war base is higher, I forgot.

wouldn't man/jugger be better than wood/jugger?

EDIT: try Ul. Range, always free on my server while the morons swamp caedevra and the thickets

Slow reply again, but the few parsing I got always put wood/jugger ahead wood/man (or anything involving joyeuse). Difference is still insignifiant, but that's what I got. On HNM, maneater/juggernaut is the best I would say.


Joyeuse itself isn't bad, but you need to spread your merit everywhere, and use sushi (or a lot of acc gear) to make a good use of it. Without brd, axe war will win. With one, joyeuse might win by gimping the axe war with song or food he doesn't need. On HNM, joyeuse will always suck ass because of the low base dmg.

[Ryko]

I had 4% DAin merits for a while, now it's sitting at 2 because I need 10 merits to cap out chivalry then another 10 to cap out zerk/agg <_>

[Rawk]

I rarely use my Ridill in exp.