Ridill War VS Axe War With Corsair

[Cursed]

For thigns that need Chi Blasting, SMN > MNK.

Diabolos can do 4 bloodpacts in the time it takes a MNK to Chi Blast once. If it's magic resistant, any decently merited SMN can pop out 4 600-700ish damage Predator claws. 500 or 600 damage a Bloodpact > MNK. And it's almost hate free, so SMN dosen't need 250 MP to R3 them after they pop their wad all over an angry HNM's face.

lawl true strike, yes smn > mnk . But i don't have smn unlocked, and probably never will. unless it's for maat cap.

[Kaylia]

People dont use monks.

1.8k chi blast every 3 mins? "people" dont use heads either it seems.

The average chi isn't 1.8k >_> Actually, I dont remember ever seeing a 1.8k chi. Mnk do good melee dmg on weak stuff (ie:fafnir) and stacking them in 1 chiblasting slot can deal some big number for a single party slot I guess. People rarely bother doing that tho.

That said, 1.8k/3minutes alone is still kinda weak. (more like 1.4k per 3m30 tho)

[Cursed]

Your LS kites kirin, doesn't it.

Yes, and I think we do pretty good, considering our fastest Kirin was 21 Minutes, and we avg at 29-32 mins.

[Cursed]

People dont use monks.

1.8k chi blast every 3 mins? "people" dont use heads either it seems.

The average chi isn't 1.8k >_> Actually, I dont remember ever seeing a 1.8k chi. Mnk do good melee dmg on weak stuff (ie:fafnir) and stacking them in 1 chiblasting slot can deal some big number for a single party slot I guess. People rarely bother doing that tho.

That said, 1.8k/3minutes alone is still kinda weak. (more like 1.4k per 3m30 tho)

as a stand alone, yes it's not that big. but throw in 6 mnks into alliance every 3 mins, you might see my point. considering that the mnks don't need to be in alliance while boosting, and can still come back in for just 3-5 seconds and deal a great amount of dmg, then giving way to other melee to continue their attack, you see why mnk chi blasting is so valuable.

[Nagamaki]

1.8k is close to max chi damage with BRD (depending on race and absolute top MND gear, max is anywhere from 1800 to around 1900).

However, average chi dmg (for people who aren't idiots and realize max boosts is 12, not 10 or 11 cause they're braindead fucks, and there's a lot of them) is MND*7.5, because its random between MND*10 and MND*5.

So best base scenario with etudes every time and all, its more like 1300-1400 every 3 mins. On crap that isn't being kited such as Fafnir, that's not hard to beat through meleeing, the only advantage is 0 TP given.

And about Diabolos being better, Nether Blast is quite awesome but if Kirin or anything else that gets kited keeps catching your Chi blasters and killing them, they really suck at kiting and should quit now.

[Kaylia]

Your LS kites kirin, doesn't it.

Yes, and I think we do pretty good, considering our fastest Kirin was 21 Minutes, and we avg at 29-32 mins.

What setup? Number means nothing if you have 40 ppl that swap pt.

[Ryko]

My comment wasn't meant to assume anything other than the method used to kill kirin. I havent touched my RNG in god knows how long since we switched to straight tanking, and not having to run anywhere put my WAR well above anyone else in terms of DMG output during a kirin fight, by an easy 2:1. The only reason I'd prefer SAMs and THFs over my WAR though is that my WAR does nothing to aid in hate retention for the tanks.

[Saito]

If you dual weild melee HNM's as a DD you are a fucking joke. The only possible reason for doing this would be with Souleater and even then you would be better off just single weilding a kraken. Martial Bhuj with Steel Cyclone is fast and huge dmg. Technically the only weapons worth meriting are 2 handed ones. Although I personally merit axe for epeen Rampages in xp.

[Ryko]

If you dual weild melee HNM's as a DD you are a fucking joke. The only possible reason for doing this would be with Souleater and even then you would be better off just single weilding a kraken. Martial Bhuj with Steel Cyclone is fast and huge dmg. Technically the only weapons worth meriting are 2 handed ones. Although I personally merit axe for epeen Rampages in xp.

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Nice but not really. The best thing 2 handers have going for it is the likelihood you are subbing thief and that means your WS damage is consistent but not all melees forsake their DPS on the gain to 100 to make it negligible, thanks.

[Cursed]

1.8k is close to max chi damage with BRD (depending on race and absolute top MND gear, max is anywhere from 1800 to around 1900).

However, average chi dmg (for people who aren't idiots and realize max boosts is 12, not 10 or 11 cause they're braindead fucks, and there's a lot of them) is MND*7.5, because its random between MND*10 and MND*5.

So best base scenario with etudes every time and all, its more like 1300-1400 every 3 mins. On crap that isn't being kited such as Fafnir, that's not hard to beat through meleeing, the only advantage is 0 TP given.

And about Diabolos being better, Nether Blast is quite awesome but if Kirin or anything else that gets kited keeps catching your Chi blasters and killing them, they really suck at kiting and should quit now.

I think the max pre-AF+1 was 1.9k, by an elvaan with etudes stacked in +MND HQ gear. Since AF+1 has been released (i think there is a difference of 10-12 MND now) the new max has risen to 2.2-2.3k

[Ryko]

Your max and what you regularly put out are 2 different things.

[Beowulf]

Ryko you're retarded! Think about it... 10 MNKs in alliance can drop 20k damage every three minutes or so. With that setup, Kirin is dead in 3-4 bursts. 12 min Kirin go go go go

[Nagamaki]

Considering +1 MND = +10 MAX, +7.5 average, your conclusion that "10-12 MND" increased damage by 300 to 400 uses some magnificently fuzzy math.

If anyone happen to remember exact etude attribute caps and I'll get you the actual real world max.

[Kaylia]

If you dual weild melee HNM's as a DD you are a fucking joke. The only possible reason for doing this would be with Souleater and even then you would be better off just single weilding a kraken. Martial Bhuj with Steel Cyclone is fast and huge dmg. Technically the only weapons worth meriting are 2 handed ones. Although I personally merit axe for epeen Rampages in xp.

2h weapon on HNM is so last years. Your axe/axe axe/ridill and xp gear will outdamage everyone on HNM. Yes, you need a brd in your party, just like you give a brd to your blm.


Our tank PT is usually: war/nin war/nin war/nin brd brd whm (1acc,1atk,2haste song). Other melee can survive with 1 brd and melee song only I guess.

If you think 2hand weapon would give you higher dot, than you're crazy. You will never come close

[Saito]

Not surprising that a person who picked Mithra as their race would say something like this.

Who the fuck brings enough brds to HNMs that they can afford to put 2 in a pt with melees anyway? I guess if you zerg rush the fuck out of everything it doesn't matter that you give the mob 3x as much TP as normal.

[Cursed]

Your LS kites kirin, doesn't it.

Yes, and I think we do pretty good, considering our fastest Kirin was 21 Minutes, and we avg at 29-32 mins.

What setup? Number means nothing if you have 40 ppl that swap pt.

between 27 and 35 members. depends on turn out, and by 3rd kirin, some people leave.
about 4-6 chi blasters
4-5 smns
7 blms for summons
3-4 nins
2-3 plds
2-3 rdms
1-2 wars
2 brds
3 sams
1 drg
4-5 rngs
2 whms
is doing it with alot of people bad? considering we get 4-5 kirins down in 3-4 hours? if the ??? would pop earlier, we could get more done in that time.

[Ryko]

Not surprising that a person who picked Mithra as their race would say something like this.

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Hi, not mithra.

Who the fuck brings enough brds to HNMs that they can afford to put 2 in a pt with melees anyway? I guess if you zerg rush the fuck out of everything it doesn't matter that you give the mob 3x as much TP as normal.

You need 2 BRDs per DD party? 1, minuets, use sushi, throw on the adaman gear + haidate. Acc/ATK out the ass with full zerk/agg merits and you raise your average DMG per swing by a significant fuckload a little less than 75% of the time. There's 3 mobs fought regularly in this game you -have- to worry about the TP gain of.

[Cursed]

Considering +1 MND = +10 MAX, +7.5 average, your conclusion that "10-12 MND" increased damage by 300 to 400 uses some magnificently fuzzy math.

If anyone happen to remember exact etude attribute caps and I'll get you the actual real world max.

my maths isn't retarded. I know 1 MND =+10 max
you're forgetting that THERE are actually mnks that merit MND.
kthnx

[Kaylia]

Ryko you're retarded! Think about it... 10 MNKs in alliance can drop 20k damage every three minutes or so. With that setup, Kirin is dead in 3-4 bursts. 12 min Kirin go go go go

20k/10 = 2k per 2minutes. Your mnk are fucking God. Kirin also has a regen, and chance is your mnk/whm wil die.


Anyway, how many people your ls have if you have 10mnk. I dont think we even have 10 of one job, not even blm.

[Ryko]

I think his comment was sarcastic.