Quick question about Tomahawk

[Kaylia]

1000 needles!

Phalanx --> tomahawk --> Elemental seal + 1 hundred needle.


I guess it would work, but it's a pain to get 3 job to test something

Not sure if Phalanx would work or not given that phalanx is a straight "minus X damage" instead of a percentage damage reduction like Elementals, Bones, etc. have.

I don't think it will, but I would rather be sure it doesn't to not waste a good oportunity to use it

(a little off topic) War Charge really does shine for HNMs where a War would use a GA. I meritted it and will keep meriting it because War is my only L75 job I do contribute to my LS. Having the ability to use it every 10minutes during something like Kirin is quite tempting IMO.

1) Axe x2 outdamage G.axe any day on kirin if you melee, maxed war charge or not
2) If you're sitting outside alliance, you won't really build any tp making the whole charge thing pointless kinda.

Having your dmg increase on one WS every 10WS (and I'm excluding the 15-20% base chance of DA) isn't that useful.

With martial bonus, warcry will add something signifiant to your WS dmg too, so it's not a waste.

[SassiAsura]

1) Axe x2 outdamage G.axe any day on kirin if you melee, maxed war charge or not

I've 0'd far too much for my own good doing Axe/Axe on Kirin... it was very shameful.

As for not getting TP being outside alliance. What's wrong with Opo/Sleep?

[Kaylia]

1) Axe x2 outdamage G.axe any day on kirin if you melee, maxed war charge or not

I've 0'd far too much for my own good doing Axe/Axe on Kirin... it was very shameful.

As for not getting TP being outside alliance. What's wrong with Opo/Sleep?

OpoOpo sleep at kirin? Dunno, sound like a pain in the ass to make the fight like 30 sec faster. It's not bad if you don't mind I guess.


Here is a parsing of an old kirin fight on war/nin axe x2 (only had 7axe merit, 1 str merit and 5 double, 1 zerk/agg ). I tanked it with agg/berserk with 2 other ridill war. We had 1 brd for atk/acc song (or maybe it was 2 atk, I forgot). Fight lasted 15-20minutes. In any case, I ended up being the first dd for this fight. Could have done light I guess with mistral, but there wasnt enough blm to make it worth the effort.

My acc was ~73% and my average dmg ~25.

I could probably have pumped up higher using the right gear, but I just went with my merit setup (17%haste), str ring and the like. Having to recast utsu constantly also lower your dmg I guess, but it cant be helped if you are tanking.

Kaylia - Kirin(4)
Melee Damage: 43, 26, 19, 38, 4, 41, 19, 31, 40, 22, 10, 15, 8, 33, 0, 13, 2, 24, 19, 4, 27, 0, 19, 26, 0, 0, 20, 22, 0, 8, 0, 9, 33, 0, 16, 0, 25, 0, 11, 21, 20, 12, 0, 4, 16, 10, 27, 36, 17, 19, 0, 25, 0, 20, 32, 18, 34, 45, 3, 47, 10, 30, 12, 0, 0, 12, 15, 26, 24, 12, 7, 34, 0, 21, 6, 4, 34, 5, 33, 18, 21, 33, 17, 28, 42, 55, 28, 51, 50, 39, 47, 48, 32, 0, 23, 0, 24, 26, 38, 41, 11, 22, 29, 5, 39, 17, 25, 10, 36, 27, 44, 20, 33, 15, 13, 43, 24, 13, 44, 36, 18, 1, 32, 15, 28, 12, 28, 21, 4, 16, 0, 17, 0, 29, 14, 10, 18, 31, 27, 26, 21, 50, 37, 15, 25, 19, 19, 43, 52, 40, 37, 30, 24, 44, 48, 32, 54, 45, 54, 36, 55, 25, 55, 45, 35, 40, 43, 18, 31, 43, 54, 19, 16, 34, 20, 52, 25, 44, 49, 20, 35, 12, 32, 32, 14, 0, 19, 7, 2, 5, 25, 23, 42, 4, 31, 13, 4, 10, 9, 41, 45, 39, 12, 21, 19, 35, 10, 34, 41, 24, 18, 22, 21, 49, 23, 13, 22, 47, 15, 45, 51, 49, 26, 48, 42, 13, 24, 19, 26, 6, 50, 14, 41, 24, 5, 7, 40, 6, 46, 33, 15, 36, 13, 11, 34, 37, 46, 26, 10, 35, 21, 3, 15, 8, 31, 24, 26, 46, 45, 9, 10, 32, 12,
Critical Damage: 98, 58, 59, 48, 62, 71, 54, 58, 89, 54, 58, 48, 55, 90, 66, 64, 88, 63, 84, 78, 54, 53, 75, 94, 63, 89, 76, 79, 67, 81, 104, 102, 76, 75, 105, 90, 88, 69, 54, 65, 54, 55, 59, 81, 84, 65, 91, 75, 75, 73, 81, 74, 55,
WeaponSkills: 53 (Rampage), 206 (Rampage), 0 (Smash Axe), 155 (Rampage), 177 (Mistral Axe), 141 (Rampage), 87 (Rampage), 26 (Smash Axe), 324 (Rampage), 497 (Rampage), 435 (Rampage), 664 (Rampage), 589 (Rampage), 317 (Rampage), 385 (Rampage), 194 (Rampage), 466 (Rampage), 169 (Rampage),
Total Damage: 15021

You will hit for 0, but your dmg still add up.

[DrObvious]

More point would extend the def down from 15 to 30 and 45 seconds, not potency.

Is level 1 tomahawk really only 15 seconds?

[SassiAsura]

Bards are reserved for Rangers and Mages. I've never had any minuet/madrial during any event except one. And I asked for a Str song. I got my steel off on seiryu and the poor ninja infront of my died like 1 second after. ^^

[Zetah]

What's the difference between Tomahawk and Angon, really?

[Not Kuno]

Angon = Lower def
Tomahawk = Lowers mob weapon resistance (pierce vs bones etc)

Completely different and probably stackable.

[Kaylia]

More point would extend the def down from 15 to 30 and 45 seconds, not potency.

Is level 1 tomahawk really only 15 seconds?

99% sure it is. It wasnt lasting for the whole duration of warcry. If it's not 15, it's 20, but considering the other 2 upgrade are 15 sec, I would go with 15.

Bards are reserved for Rangers and Mages. I've never had any minuet/madrial during any event except one. And I asked for a Str song. I got my steel off on seiryu and the poor ninja infront of my died like 1 second after. ^^

That's the problem with most LS. Everyone deserve brd just the same. It's normal your mage and rng will kick more ass than you if they have one.

What's the difference between Tomahawk and Angon, really?

It's like Kuno said, and it's stackable.


Angon = pimped acid bolt
Tomahawk = lower dmg reduction to weapon type.

[VividAriah]

Any idea if the skill work on Fortitude or Temperance? No clue if chi blast was working before on Temp, and fortitude might just have a ton of def/vit.

Definitely works on Temperance, have yet to test it on Fortitude yet.

[Kaylia]

How much dmg were you doing compared to full/normal dmg?

[VividAriah]

Seemed like full damage, our war didn't have it upgraded though so I wasn't able to get many shots in.

[nivlakian]

Any idea if the skill work on Fortitude or Temperance? No clue if chi blast was working before on Temp, and fortitude might just have a ton of def/vit.

Definitely works on Temperance, have yet to test it on Fortitude yet.

So, it allowed you to hurt temperance in a form that didn't match your weapon type?

[VividAriah]

Any idea if the skill work on Fortitude or Temperance? No clue if chi blast was working before on Temp, and fortitude might just have a ton of def/vit.

Definitely works on Temperance, have yet to test it on Fortitude yet.

So, it allowed you to hurt temperance in a form that didn't match your weapon type?

Yep, damaged with a dagger during blunt mode.