AV up on Fairy... and its not doing anything =x

[Rocl]

Fairly certain Millenium's kill was before the fourth >_>

[Stromgarde]

Yes, but I was talking about this kill on this thread, Eden on Fairy. Even so though, odds much better it's a random glitch.

[frozenx]

I really didn't want to post any of my thought ideas about AV but I think maybe I need to because this one thought of mine has been driving me nuts.

I've been reading every AV thread, and any info I can while I'm at work. Now my biggest thought is that maybe locking 2 AV's 2 hours is related to the Apoc Nigh quest. It may sound stupid but hey I think we're just about out of options. The title after winning the apoc night BC is "Breaker of the Chains. The description for the quest is: "The next incarnation of the Keeper of the Apocalypse is attempting to cross over into Vana'diel. Sing the Lay of the Immortals before the fifth mothercrystal and put an end to this threat once and for all!"

This may not make any sense but something I read in a screen shot of AV's death where it says I have been freed by the chains. Why would he say 'by' and not 'from' the chains. Wikipodia or w/e it is has that info as well. My question to the LS's that have managed to lock AV's 2 hours. Have the people in the allaince completed apoc nigh or is this just another stupid idea.

Also wtf are the Ebon panels for...

Another idea is that killing the Wynav's in a certain order might affect AV 2 hour lock out. I have to find out where a read it but there was a JP site that i babelfished in a thread about AV that said something to the effect of: killing wynavs in incorrect order will generage a oneshot killing of the person who generated the error. Again i'll find out where i read that and edit post. If anyone can answer my apoc night question though it would be much appreciated. And sorry if this is a stupid idea.

[safer]

Point #1: Wynavs
This I already mentioned in my last post. In both events, a few sets of wynavs were killed before AV got locked up.

Point#2: Location of the fight
Caitsith fought and killed AV on the beach at the D10/D11 location. Fairy fought and killed AV on the top of the ramp that leads to the Palace. As far as I remember, both these locations do not have any random Aern that pop very close by. Could be that keeping AV away from other random Aerns makes him unable to recharge his abilities. Once his abilities are used up, his spells might also get locked along in the process.

i believe wynavs certainly have an important part to play in locking AV up.. as far as i know, he never resummoned them after the first 3 were killed

secondly, about the location of the fight...... that sorta makes alot of sense to me... since there are aerns with all jobs, AV might somehow be leeching off their abilities and that is what gives him his various spells/abilities etc... with no immediate aerns around him, he has nothing to draw on and so he cannot cast any spells/use abilities, which is infact how he is naturally...

yes below the palace ramp there are aerns, but we were right up against the door, and maybe the game sees it as being on a different level from the other aerns below...
put a bard below the ramp and have them cast a song,,, the buff will not reach anyone directly above them...


also about me being in the CS... i actually had to go afk and cook up some stuff on the bbq while AV was locked on me... when i came back people said that they began to fight AV and he was at the palace gates (still 99% before we thought of the drk/kraken/corsair idea) and he had stopped using 2hours/abilities/magic

i left the CS and changed back to smn and ran up then we proceeded to kill it.....

also if it matters any.. i picked the CS with the redhaired taru talking about some stuff.. i think it was a CS after killing the aerns at one of the rubious crystals....

=x

edit to the above poster: most of eden has completed Apocalypse Nigh, but not everyone there at AV....

[Kaylia]

will generage a oneshot killing of the person who generated the error

A lot of thing on AV generate a one shot killing of yourself >_>



Kinda off topic, but I've a question about CoP final BC. What's the point of the move that always do a "No effect" on your character (Chain of apathy...or something based on AA's sin)

[Rocl]

will generage a oneshot killing of the person who generated the error

A lot of thing on AV generate a one shot killing of yourself >_>



Kinda off topic, but I've a question about CoP final BC. What's the point of the move that always do a "No effect" on your character (Chain of apathy...or something based on AA's sin)

I always thought if you didnt reclaim the Light that was stolen from you the Chain of "Sin" had an effect on you, but everyone always climbs the tower anyway >.> It's been a while so I dont remember it exactly, but I definetly recall hearing something about that

[Kaylia]

Arent you forced to climb the tower? >_> I need to get someone in sea and trick him into not getting his light. I want to see if it's a death move.


I still wonder if this 5 races/sins bs could influence AV, but I guess no since it was tried many time

[Coldplay4tw]

Hi Fayttt,

Leave, please.
You're raping my internet tubes with that ungodly signature and your lack of level 70.

the whole "hi im not lv70 but heres a sig of me in dalmatica, duelist chapeau, and savage blade playing around in altanaviewer^^" deserves banishment to a lesser FFXI website, I strongly suggest KI, but allakhazam may suffice as well.

Sincerely yours,
Rocl

lol

[Kalyna]

I've been reading every AV thread, and any info I can while I'm at work. Now my biggest thought is that maybe locking 2 AV's 2 hours is related to the Apoc Nigh quest. It may sound stupid but hey I think we're just about out of options. The title after winning the apoc night BC is "Breaker of the Chains. The description for the quest is: "The next incarnation of the Keeper of the Apocalypse is attempting to cross over into Vana'diel. Sing the Lay of the Immortals before the fifth mothercrystal and put an end to this threat once and for all!"

I think Apoc Nigh quest was implemented into the game way after AV was...so I doubt that quest is the key to locking AV.

[Jeryhn]

will generage a oneshot killing of the person who generated the error

A lot of thing on AV generate a one shot killing of yourself >_>



Kinda off topic, but I've a question about CoP final BC. What's the point of the move that always do a "No effect" on your character (Chain of apathy...or something based on AA's sin)

I always thought if you didnt reclaim the Light that was stolen from you the Chain of "Sin" had an effect on you, but everyone always climbs the tower anyway >.> It's been a while so I dont remember it exactly, but I definetly recall hearing something about that

I tested this on some poor sap I helped through CoP. He couldn't get the cutscene at the BC for 8-3 without his Light (he had both Brands and could go up to the top floor though).

[Khamsin]

Arent you forced to climb the tower? >_> I need to get someone in sea and trick him into not getting his light. I want to see if it's a death move.


I still wonder if this 5 races/sins bs could influence AV, but I guess no since it was tried many time

Depends on what was tried, exactly. Did the LSs who killed him even have all 5 races present? I know my LS rarely, if ever, has Galka at any event.

I tested this on some poor sap I helped through CoP. He couldn't get the cutscene at the BC for 8-3 without his Light (he had both Brands and could go up to the top floor though).

Maybe get him the initial CS from touching one of the panels (of any race), but don't have him click again to get his light (from his own race's tower)?

[safer]

as far as i know... the only galka that came was bloodthrall, though he wasnt there from the very start... he entered after AV was "tamed"

and an offshoot for that idea if people are wondering, we didnt have all jobs present either (we lacked bst drg mnk)

Fairy as at least 2 JoL pop sets (that i know of) waiting for this weekend, one from our LS and one from LP... (cause ryko's too lazy to do sea >o )

we're gonna try to duplicate the same situations and see if we get the same results ;o

[Suiram]

Once I was helping someone through PM8-4, and this time when he did a Chains move (Apathy?) one of our members got Terror lol.

Anyhow, from my own personal experiences with AV and everything I've read, comprehended, and retained from other people's testimonies, the only changes they've made to the fight were in the form of one buff (draw-in from Northern Al'taieu) and one nerf (removed his bracelets form at 60%).

People have been removing 2Hs and spells for a long time, it's nothing new. Whether you want to consider it a glitch or technique only depends on whether you come into the fight viewing him as unkillable/broken or not.

[Septimus]

Once I was helping someone through PM8-4, and this time when he did a Chains move (Apathy?) one of our members got Terror lol.

Anyhow, from my own personal experiences with AV and everything I've read, comprehended, and retained from other people's testimonies, the only changes they've made to the fight were in the form of one buff (draw-in from Northern Al'taieu) and one nerf (removed his bracelets form at 60%).

People have been removing 2Hs and spells for a long time, it's nothing new. Whether you want to consider it a glitch or technique only depends on whether you come into the fight viewing him as unkillable/broken or not.

People have been removing his 2-hours, but the problem is that no one can say with any certainty how they are doing it. Sometimes he stops casting fairly quickly, other times it takes hours (days). People say that killed the first set of Wynavs and it worked, but most people have killed multiple sets of Wynavs and it still destroys everything in its path.

Until someone can say with 100% certainty the method that removes its 2-hours and spells and it is repeatable by multiple linkshells on multiple servers people are going to believe that it is glitched and that the fight is broken.

[Jeryhn]

Once I was helping someone through PM8-4, and this time when he did a Chains move (Apathy?) one of our members got Terror lol.

When I did CoP 8-4, everytime Chains of Apathy went off, it terrorized my avatar.

I'd suspect because it was I was a Hume. He uses five different Chains attacks, one for every race.

[Suiram]

Until someone can say with 100% certainty the method that removes its 2-hours and spells and it is repeatable by multiple linkshells on multiple servers people are going to believe that it is glitched and that the fight is broken.

Right, you and I are in agreement, I think. I and many others believe it's beatable and that there is an as-yet-unconfirmed method to removing the 2Hs and spells to facilitate it. You and many others believe that it's broken and glitched and the fact that it sometimes stops using 2Hs and spells is a symptom of the brokenness. But we at least agree that how you view 2H/spell removal depends on how you view the entire fight going into it, no?

[Rocl]

I THINK AV IS STUPID AND DUMB

[Ryko]

Fairy as at least 2 JoL pop sets (that i know of) waiting for this weekend, one from our LS and one from LP... (cause ryko's too lazy to do sea >o )

Dude like <_< getting my LS to do much of anything is like pulling teeth nowadays.

"Yo AV's up. If you could help it'd be appreciated"

*everyone fakes being mute*

"Well ok then"

"You seem to have a love for losing your buffer"

"Fuck that it's AV"

"Well whatever"

*2 hours later*

"AV DEAD"

"O_o"

[Kaylia]

Fairy as at least 2 JoL pop sets (that i know of) waiting for this weekend, one from our LS and one from LP... (cause ryko's too lazy to do sea >o )

Dude like <_< getting my LS to do much of anything is like pulling teeth nowadays.

"Yo AV's up. If you could help it'd be appreciated"

*everyone fakes being mute*

"Well ok then"

"You seem to have a love for losing your buffer"

"Fuck that it's AV"

"Well whatever"

*2 hours later*

"AV DEAD"

"O_o"

Could be worse.


"Hydra is up (2nd day before we knew drop)"

"Anyone want to xp?"

"Invite me"

[Ryko]

Eh it's like trying to convince your girlfriend to put out <_< she does sometimes but doesn't appreciate you poking her in the back with your hardon every time it happens.