Have you seen my sash? (lolsash II: the rofling)

[Beowulf]

Im more annoyed over the fact the sash came from an exploited AV than it went to a sam.

Yeah, who wants to use strategy to fight monsters?
It was a terrain trick that proved useful and got the job done, who gives a fuck if its not how it was intended, it just made it that much more innovative. Also, AV is retardedly hard and the only reason SE put him in the game is so that losers will spend even more of their life trying to figure it out so they can squeeze the last bit of money out of this game before switching to a new MMORG.

Map's ls didn't come up with the Wall of Justice, no points for innovation there. Strategy? You still had to get lucky and hope av's 2hrs magically stopped.

I was talking about the strategy itself, I never claimed Map's LS designed it. Still my point being they won with a strategy so who cares how it was done; its not like its a fair fight to begin with.

[BRP]

So I found out recently...

Dia means "Dispel Undead"

[Daahan]

Im more annoyed over the fact the sash came from an exploited AV than it went to a sam.

Yeah, who wants to use strategy to fight monsters?
It was a terrain trick that proved useful and got the job done, who gives a fuck if its not how it was intended, it just made it that much more innovative. Also, AV is retardedly hard and the only reason SE put him in the game is so that losers will spend even more of their life trying to figure it out so they can squeeze the last bit of money out of this game before switching to a new MMORG.

Map's ls didn't come up with the Wall of Justice, no points for innovation there. Strategy? You still had to get lucky and hope av's 2hrs magically stopped.

I was talking about the strategy itself, I never claimed Map's LS designed it. Still my point being they won with a strategy so who cares how it was done; its not like its a fair fight to begin with.

Strategy is finding a mob's weakness, putting together a well set alliance, along with some outside healing and add parties, and taking down a mob the way it's supposed to be taken down.

Getting something stuck in a wall isn't strategy.

Lots of people don't think it's a fair fight, but there is still a lot of debate on whether or not it can be killed, especially after the last AV thread.

If getting it stuck in the wall was on ok thing to do, they wouldn't have nerfed it. Stop being dumb.

Also, I'm glad they nerfed the wall trick becaused that means they nerfed Map's penis.

[Lockecole]

Also, I'm glad they nerfed the wall trick becaused that means they nerfed Map's penis.

Too bad it hasn't stopped him from proclaiming their kill as the second coming of Christ. Even though A)It wasn't the first kill to begin with and B)It was killed using a "strat" not even of their own doing. I kinda wish it didnt drop anything, because more and more people base achievements not on what you kill, but what it drops. Seashell would just be an LS that wastes all their time in sea, with lackluster drops, which is what everyone else has achieved by entering sea. Instead they're the ones lucky enough to get a drop and do it while AV was still glitched.

This all is very apparent to just about everyone but Seashell though.

[Beowulf]

Strategy is finding a mob's weakness, putting together a well set alliance, along with some outside healing and add parties, and taking down a mob the way it's supposed to be taken down.

Getting something stuck in a wall isn't strategy.

Lots of people don't think it's a fair fight, but there is still a lot of debate on whether or not it can be killed, especially after the last AV thread.

If getting it stuck in the wall was on ok thing to do, they wouldn't have nerfed it. Stop being dumb.

Also, I'm glad they nerfed the wall trick becaused that means they nerfed Map's penis.

The way its supposed to be killed? You mean after hours of dying and reraising losing countless xp, all while it stays at 95%? Seems the strategy here was that it was retarded when faced with a wall. There is no right way to kill a mob, especially one in which the fight isn't fair to begin with.

[Krandor]

So when SE made a modification to AV to prevent a strategy that revolved around directly exploiting a glitch, it was apparently still a "right" way to kill it?

[Lordwafik]

Also, I'm glad they nerfed the wall trick becaused that means they nerfed Map's penis.

Too bad it hasn't stopped him from proclaiming their kill as the second coming of Christ. Even though A)It wasn't the first kill to begin with and B)It was killed using a "strat" not even of their own doing. I kinda wish it didnt drop anything, because more and more people base achievements not on what you kill, but what it drops. Seashell would just be an LS that wastes all their time in sea, with lackluster drops, which is what everyone else has achieved by entering sea. Instead they're the ones lucky enough to get a drop and do it while AV was still glitched.

This all is very apparent to just about everyone but Seashell though.

It's kinda funny that anyone who's got a :

Boxer's Mantle
Brutal Earring
Musical Earring

already has an item that's better than anything that drops off anything in sea.

Gooooo Limbus!

[Genosync]

Also, I'm glad they nerfed the wall trick becaused that means they nerfed Map's penis.

Too bad it hasn't stopped him from proclaiming their kill as the second coming of Christ. Even though A)It wasn't the first kill to begin with and B)It was killed using a "strat" not even of their own doing. I kinda wish it didnt drop anything, because more and more people base achievements not on what you kill, but what it drops. Seashell would just be an LS that wastes all their time in sea, with lackluster drops, which is what everyone else has achieved by entering sea. Instead they're the ones lucky enough to get a drop and do it while AV was still glitched.

This all is very apparent to just about everyone but Seashell though.

It's kinda funny that anyone who's got a :

Boxer's Mantle
Brutal Earring
Musical Earring

already has an item that's better than anything that drops off anything in sea.

Gooooo Limbus!

yhelotharMATK+8 so I can pull even more hate on my BLM at everything so I hit the floor and can go AFK faster!

[Zalius]

Also, I'm glad they nerfed the wall trick becaused that means they nerfed Map's penis.

Too bad it hasn't stopped him from proclaiming their kill as the second coming of Christ. Even though A)It wasn't the first kill to begin with and B)It was killed using a "strat" not even of their own doing. I kinda wish it didnt drop anything, because more and more people base achievements not on what you kill, but what it drops. Seashell would just be an LS that wastes all their time in sea, with lackluster drops, which is what everyone else has achieved by entering sea. Instead they're the ones lucky enough to get a drop and do it while AV was still glitched.

This all is very apparent to just about everyone but Seashell though.

It's kinda funny that anyone who's got a :

Boxer's Mantle
Brutal Earring
Musical Earring

already has an item that's better than anything that drops off anything in sea.

Gooooo Limbus!

yhelotharMATK+8 so I can pull even more hate on my BLM at everything so I hit the floor and can go AFK faster!

+7

[Grey Jorildyn]

This all is very apparent to just about everyone but Seashell though.

Unless you ask SeaShell members. Some of them might agree.

[BRP]

http://trapped3.ytmnd.com/

[Sixtail]

We are all trapped.

[Daahan]

Strategy is finding a mob's weakness, putting together a well set alliance, along with some outside healing and add parties, and taking down a mob the way it's supposed to be taken down.

Getting something stuck in a wall isn't strategy.

Lots of people don't think it's a fair fight, but there is still a lot of debate on whether or not it can be killed, especially after the last AV thread.

If getting it stuck in the wall was on ok thing to do, they wouldn't have nerfed it. Stop being dumb.

Also, I'm glad they nerfed the wall trick becaused that means they nerfed Map's penis.

The way its supposed to be killed? You mean after hours of dying and reraising losing countless xp, all while it stays at 95%? Seems the strategy here was that it was retarded when faced with a wall. There is no right way to kill a mob, especially one in which the fight isn't fair to begin with.

The last AV kill wasn't one that caontained countless hours of dying, reraising, and losing xp. If you actually read that thread you'll see that there is debate on whether or not another glitch was exploited or if there actually is a pattern to make AV doable. You can never rule out the possibility of there still being a way to take it down legitamitely. Read up on other things about AV before making comments. Why don't you go find Odin and try killing him by getting him stuck in a wall somewhere in Bhaflau Thickets.

[Qbertian]

This all is very apparent to just about everyone but Seashell though.

Why do so many people keep attacking SeaShell for Map's (and mine, too) actions? (Wasn't it Zalius that called us all "complete douches" in the other thread?) Name one other SeaShell member that posts here (Ichthyos, Merona, Avinor, Bagel, maybe 1-2 others that I don't remember) that has ever said anything 1) mean 2) disrespectful or 3) bragging about what we've done (or how we did it for that matter).

All Ichthyos has ever done has been to provide helpful, quality data and information that others can use. Avinor posts clear, logical explanations of the way our LS works (e.g. those people that argue that it's most beneficial to the LS to give sash to a ninja, and then Avinor asks why not just sell sash for full price of Gjallerhorn upgrade and those people fumble for a nonexistent comeback). All Bagel does is provide humorous, nonsensical diversions to people way too mad at other people's choices for their own good.

Personally, I was originally brought into this SeaShell bashing without saying a word on my own behalf except maybe, "My friends don't care. Leave me the fuck alone." The only time I reposted after that original incident was when Wafik made a snide comment about my having Novio like 4 months after the fact. It just pissed me off that someone I respected as being a very reasonable person would stoop to that level and hold such a pointless grudge.

Finally and for the record, I am as disgusted with Map's post as most of you are. For anyone on these boards: Please keep your disgust with Map (and with me if you're so inclined), but please leave everyone else out of it.

-Qbertian
Loot Whore WHM
Titan Server

P.S. Also for the record, none of us (actually, I don't know if Map did or not) has EVER bragged about using the wall to kill AV. We knew it was a glitch. And for those of you that never fought AV before the patch, just because you took it to the WoJ did NOT mean an automatic kill. We fought 2 AV's at the WoJ and 1 of them Bene'ed at 70% or so and its 2-hrs weren't being sealed for some reason, so we gave up.

Those two LS's that have killed AV in a "legit" manner should be respected for doing so. However, if I accidentally bump into someone that happens to be pointing a gun at a baby and knock it out of his hand, should I be viewed as a hero? Or, should I just say, "Hey, good thing I saved that baby. Dunno how the hell I did it, but I did. Let's all figure out how to knock more guns out of peoples' hands and save more babies."

[Rocl]

I think someone should of held a gun to your head while you were a baby and pulled the trigger
OBURN
GET ON THE ROFLCOPTER, WE'RE TAKING OFF

[Freight]

or you could sell novio for the full price of the relic club upgrade and be just as useless

[Beowulf]

The last AV kill wasn't one that caontained countless hours of dying, reraising, and losing xp. If you actually read that thread you'll see that there is debate on whether or not another glitch was exploited or if there actually is a pattern to make AV doable. You can never rule out the possibility of there still being a way to take it down legitamitely. Read up on other things about AV before making comments. Why don't you go find Odin and try killing him by getting him stuck in a wall somewhere in Bhaflau Thickets.

Yeah I did read it, thanks. The last people to kill it did try to exploit a glitch (goblin footprint) and it didn't work and then for some reason nobody knows he stopped doing 2hrs. My point being is this NM is random as fuck and its more a matter of "luck" than it is strategy or skill at this point. So saying someone is using a terrain trick, just like people do on Dynamis Lord or Tiamat, to kill him (albeit a bit more discapacitating) is unfair is retarded.

[Ryko]

The last AV kill wasn't one that caontained countless hours of dying, reraising, and losing xp. If you actually read that thread you'll see that there is debate on whether or not another glitch was exploited or if there actually is a pattern to make AV doable. You can never rule out the possibility of there still being a way to take it down legitamitely. Read up on other things about AV before making comments. Why don't you go find Odin and try killing him by getting him stuck in a wall somewhere in Bhaflau Thickets.

Yeah I did read it, thanks. The last people to kill it did try to exploit a glitch (goblin footprint) and it didn't work and then for some reason nobody knows he stopped doing 2hrs. My point being is this NM is random as fuck and its more a matter of "luck" than it is strategy or skill at this point. So saying someone is using a terrain trick, just like people do on Dynamis Lord or Tiamat, to kill him (albeit a bit more discapacitating) is unfair is retarded.

Technically the "exploited glitch" did work as it was used as a stalling tactic to get everyone who had just spent 3-7k EXP training it to the entrance unweakened but ^-^v thanks for reading.

[Mertron]

Those two LS's that have killed AV in a "legit" manner should be respected for doing so. However, if I accidentally bump into someone that happens to be pointing a gun at a baby and knock it out of his hand, should I be viewed as a hero? Or, should I just say, "Hey, good thing I saved that baby. Dunno how the hell I did it, but I did. Let's all figure out how to knock more guns out of peoples' hands and save more babies."

what the fuck

[Ryko]

gtfo or I'll shoot your baby. I'm super serial here.