Question regarding relic upgrades.

[Cephius]

Actually, it does make your opinion A LOT less valid. Anyone who has to hack to get ahead in a MMO is a total retard at best, and I can only imagine how you probably did cheating in school trying to get ahead in real life..

How does saving myself time allow me to "get ahead"? What I do with ENMs has no effect on anyone else except myself. Also, it looks like you're the one cheating in school.. there are so many grammtical errors in that statement I'm not even gonna bother picking it apart.

Some people bot claims with voke bots. That's one thing, but it hardly constitutes cheating the way using pos hacks and flee bots do. There is a HUGE difference (not saying its right). For starters, you can't get caught for using voke bots, because there is no way to know who is using them. Also, voke bots give no real advantage since they patched the claim system, I have gotten just about as many HNM claims as anybody else has.

This:
1) Shows how retarded you are thinking that vokebots don't help you claim even with the claim delay, and/or
2) Means you swap out dat files so you can spam enter, meaning you are a total hypocrite, since dat swapping is cheating as much as hacking to an ENM is, and more damaging since you gain a direct advantage over legit players trying to claim, making you no better than someone who loads up MrArgus.

Either way, please stfu, you clearly dont know wtf you're talking about.

People like you on the other hand cheat at the fundamental level of ruining the games integrety. This isn't a solo game. If you can't "waste" 20 minutes AT MOST, climbing uleg. range, then you really suck at this game and don't deserve to play anyways.

How am I ruining anything? I didn't gain any advantage other than saving myself time. It doesn't make me finish the ENM any easier, it doesnt affect my drops or other people or the economy, seriously wtf are you talking about? You're trying to make yourself look high and mighty by going after the one person man enough to admit to cheating a couple times, and making yourself look like a retard in the process. [/b]

[Eaglestrike]

It's not the argument that's annoying, voke bots are weak too. It's the "you have fewer posts than me" which is the lamest retort possible. Use a "Yo mama," joke instead.

The problem isn't low post count. It's low post count + stupidity. Everyone on this forum had a post count of 9 before but a lot of us got past it and it's not a big deal and wasn't at the time. No one has ever mentioned my post count being 'too low' before because I made sure I didn't say stupid shit.

[McSpiffy]

That much I will concede to. His post did give me a headache.

No, none of that jazz is "cool," but fleeing to save a little time is a hell of a lot less aggravating than voke bots, which still work very very well, despite the supposed "claim system adjustments."

[rydiu]

But you're a fool for even sounding like you're saying voke bots aren't as bad as POS hacking. A lot of the time POS hacking isn't actually going to effect other people (in a bad way...like him hacking up the U.Range mountain, hurts no one) but botters certainly do that.

Actually voke bots are not that bad..and they certainly won't get you banned. Why do I say they aren't that bad? Because I can claim stuff and I certainly don't voke bot... voke bots = laziness, not getting ahead, unless you park a dozen PCs there with only 1 person playing and all botting it, then I guess it gives you unfair advantage..

Got a problem with my grammar? Go fuck yourself, I'm an engineer not an english teacher...

It doesn't make me finish the ENM any easier

Actually, when you pos around the BC it does make itt easier

[Cephius]

But you're a fool for even sounding like you're saying voke bots aren't as bad as POS hacking. A lot of the time POS hacking isn't actually going to effect other people (in a bad way...like him hacking up the U.Range mountain, hurts no one) but botters certainly do that.

Actually voke bots are not that bad..and they certainly won't get you banned. Why do I say they aren't that bad? Because I can claim stuff and I certainly don't voke bot...

Got a problem with my grammar? Go fuck yourself, I'm an engineer not an english teacher...

It doesn't make me finish the ENM any easier

Actually, when you pos around the BC it does make itt easier

Ok slick, except I didnt do anything once I got there, and we're only talking about a few times here.

LoL at your logic... they're not bad because you don't get banned for them? Yeah, shooting someone isnt bad unless the police are there to watch you do it. Why don't you go engineer yourself a bridge so you have something to throw yourself off of

[rydiu]

No. You unbalance the game by doing things you would otherwise need a group/skill to do. Voke botting is nothing more than laziness at an hnm camp...If they could ban voke botters, that would be great, and I'd LOL at all the retards that got the ban stick, too..

Hacking your way to the end of the trail is weak and pathetic. You suck huge balls if you can't make it up that mountain without getting aggro.. (1 hour+? rofl rofl)

[Raineer]

No. You unbalance the game by doing things you would otherwise need a group/skill to do. Voke botting is nothing more than laziness at an hnm camp...If they could ban voke botters, that would be great, and I'd LOL at all the retards that got the ban stick, too..

Hacking your way to the end of the trail is weak and pathetic. You suck huge balls if you can't make it up that mountain without getting aggro.. (1 hour+? rofl rofl)

Voke botting is ok because it doesn't take skill to claim, so it doesn't really affect anyone... (like climbing a mountain does???)

lol

[rydiu]

If it takes you 1 hour to climb that mountain, you need to be banned from FFXI anyways...

[Cephius]

Last time I checked, you didn't need a group/skill to walk up a mountain either. And if you can go up, get the key item, trade it in, walk back up, wait for weather, and enter the BC in 20 minutes, you're speedhacking too, cuz that's impossible. In reality I probably saved myself more like 2 hours, or more (cause you know it'll be clear as you walk up for an hour, and then snowing once you reach the top)...

Yeah, it wasn't the smartest thing I've done, big deal. I took my punishment and moved on. But, it was a lot smarter than trying to call me out for it and saying that what I did ruins the game more than vokebotting does. Everyone on here can see how retarded your argument is, but please, for everyone's entertainment, continue.

[tyraravenlocke]

Just to get into the true spirit of things.

I have a low post count.

you are "not thinking clearly"

Explain for even ONE moment how voke botting isn't as bad as POS hack.

Let's see here.

Rmt setup 20 vokers at say.. Ulli, and voke bot it, getting claim nearly nonstop for 3 months straight.

Then kill it with thier army of blackmages, effectively putting a chokehold on kirin, and you don't see this as an issue?

You always have to remember, you can't think about just ONE person using a bot, you have to think about it being exploited.

POS hack + voke bot + packet sniffer + low latency = unbeatable, for the most part, until caught and banned.

But rmt are not like us, they already have 40 more accounts up and coming, and are more than willing to throw them away by hacking in order to keep thier gil flowing.

And I wont even get INTO the drama that one ls botting, wheras another does not, causes in the endgame community, just overall bad stuff.

[rydiu]

I never said any bots are OK, but he tried some arguement that its OK because people voke bot.

The only reason 50%+ of each HNMLS members' aren't banned is because they don't do stupid crap that will get you banned, like bragging to GMs or pos/flee hacking..

Not saying you might not be an intelligent individual, but you sure as hell have no room to talk about ffxi...just like all teh mad gilbuyers

[divisortheory]

Rmt setup 20 vokers at say.. Ulli, and voke bot it, getting claim nearly nonstop for 3 months straight.

At which point my LS goes up, camps them without voke bots, and claims on the first attempt. Makes you wonder if anyone was even competing against them at Ulli, lol.

[tyraravenlocke]

We noticed the same behavior too, they went up there in numbers, and either were not paying attention, or just turn thier crap on when they needed more stones.

But, of course the point was the example of how voke botting can be exploited, not specifically ulli ^^

[Scorp]

why risk botting if you have no competition for 60% of the spawns

[phirien]

voke bots no longer give a significant advantage over legit players, i can't comprehend why people are still complainig to SE about this after the delay patch.

the ONLY advantage you may get out of using Argus, or whatever, is the elimination of human error (voking a darter instead of fafnir). LS who have idiot members consistently claiming darters instead of fafnirs will typically lose miserably anyway, so nobody cares.

the delay patch shifted the emphasis away from botting and more toward strength in numbers. back in the day, a -single- packetsniffing bot would own 100 legit players. nowadays if you want to win pull on nidhogg, bring 25 legit people who are smart enough to target the right mob, and i gaurantee you beat another LS's 2-3 botters.

all it is is a guessing game. whether you're pressing your macro after 2 seconds or setting a bot for 2seconds, your guess is as good as mine as to when the mob will be claimable.

anyone who says things are still popping purple are either 1)lying or 2)use a shoebox wrapped in tinfoil on 56k for a computer.

if someone is going to cheat to truly gain an advantage (POShack) its petty blatant and they will be risking ban.

half the people complaining about bots are the idiots who are emoting and casting protectra4 smack in the middle of the window, then right when they lose claim start whining about bots.

[rydiu]

2)use a shoebox wrapped in tinfoil on 56k for a computer.

my ls is primarily JP... so we get the "zomg, that poppped purple" line a lot. mostly from ppl who #2 apply to, i'm guessing

[DeadLegend]

Another person posting from happyland. To say bots don't offer an advantage after the claim delay patch is crazy. All that did was made it so the monster would actually load on NA screens before it could be claimed. lol When there are multiple people coordinating their bots it's almost a complete lost cause to camp against them, and then there are things beyond claim bots, there are full blown claim hacks.

[rydiu]

there are full blown claim hacks.

well i've been able to claim fafnirs, behemoths and aspids since the claim patch a long ass time ago, and i sure as hell don't bot... so either my server uses really ghetto bots or i'm just teh uber /sex

[phirien]

Another person posting from happyland. To say bots don't offer an advantage after the claim delay patch is crazy. All that did was made it so the monster would actually load on NA screens before it could be claimed..

oh is that all it did? you make it sound as if that's not important.

When there are multiple people coordinating their bots it's almost a complete lost cause to camp against them, and then there are things beyond claim bots, there are full blown claim hacks.

yeah because all HNMLS are playing from the exact same connection, have the exact same ISP, using the same exact computer and experience the exact same lag and delay.

[Dank]

No, you go up there and get a good range of what delay works for you. Then you set some people as aggressive, some medium, some long delay.

Bots still get claims, but less than 100% now. Last time our LS went up there we got a few claims, but the people with bots didn't even claim it more than 50% of our claims.