job priority for Kirin Osode

[Ayaz]

Meh I wouldnt even take an osode if my LS offered it to me. As a bard I just merited the shit out of everything and slapped on my manteel. It has almost as much CHR as an osode and the casting time- is unbeatable at HNMs and XP. Whenever I run into a bard who prefers osode over manteel I laugh. Not only can I land my songs just as often, I can usually land them more due to haste% and casting time-.

Bottom line. Osode is mediocre for bard so i really wouldnt consider even putting bard in the top 5 for one.

[Gregorio]

Meh I wouldnt even take an osode if my LS offered it to me. As a bard I just merited the shit out of everything and slapped on my manteel. It has almost as much CHR as an osode and the casting time- is unbeatable at HNMs and XP. Whenever I run into a bard who prefers osode over manteel I laugh. Not only can I land my songs just as often, I can usually land them more due to haste% and casting time-.

Bottom line. Osode is mediocre for bard so i really wouldnt consider even putting bard in the top 5 for one.

Land them more? If you're a good bard you shouldn't be getting resisted to the point where you have to land your songs "more". Manteel takes 1 second off normal melee buff type songs, and the 2% haste takes less than half a second off your recast.

The only situation I would use Manteel over Osode is at a kited fight where your BLMs are runnin all over the place and they always tend to move out of range 1 second before the song finishes. And if your exp chains are hinging on that 1 second that the manteel takes off your casting time, you need to re-evaluate your pulling technique.

[Khamsin]

Even if there was no such thing as Manteel, BRD AF1+1 body > Osode. It has the CHR+10 VIT+10 that BRDs like from Osode, as well as HP +20, String Instrument Skill +6, and Enmity -3.

[Ayaz]

well lets face it. every bard gets resisted from time to time. cerberus, nidhogg, tiamat, etc. i understand that the haste from manteel is nothing special BUT when combined with other haste gear its a pretty nifty thing.

this is an incredibly small thing to mention but the casting time- is useful in a lot of situations because when you see "Cerberus' elegy effect wears off", you can get it right back on him with the quickness.

its like saying this:

Osode: "yeah this car has 500 horsepower but doesnt have power windows"

Manteel: "this car only has 480 horsepower but it has those power windows"

the difference is miniscule but makes for more convenience and makes it much better piece of gear in my eyes.

[Navia]

Meh I wouldnt even take an osode if my LS offered it to me.

On Asura its a lot easier to just pay ~14mil for an osode nowadays than kiss linkshell admin ass for the opportunity to get one free and have them hold it over your head.
Based on the /shouts I saw last night i jeuno, Gilsellers sell osodes for less than byakko haidates(22m) now

[Gregorio]

I already said AF1+1 body is nice, and it could be considered better than Osode, but since I'm saving up my coins for other items I'll pass on it. Especially since I don't really need the enmity- that much (and if I did I'd just throw on errant and hit myself with a dirge ;D ), and the string skill is crap.

[epigram]

If everyone has equal points, has given as many blow jobs, has been in the same lenght of time, or is the same sex + one or more of the above that are also equal unless one took out their teeth or used them.

1. RNG -- Well if you still use them

2. Chi-Blasting MNK -- Well if your ls has them

3. Solo BST -- Next to ranger gets the most use out of it, but unlike a ranger probably doesn't contribute much to your ls.

4. BRD/SAM/NIN and others too cheap to get something else.

5. WAR that likes Great Axe.

[BRP]

Osode isn't so good that 'how much it would contribute to your LS" is even much of an issue. It should be "how much it would contribute to the job", if anything, participation first.

Anyway, lol @ Rangers-if you still use them. People are still overacting about that nerf? Ironicly, Rangers are the best SC closers on a kited Kirin.

[Eaglestrike]

Osode isn't so good that 'how much it would contribute to your LS" is even much of an issue. It should be "how much it would contribute to the job", if anything, participation first.

Anyway, lol @ Rangers-if you still use them. People are still overacting about that nerf? Ironicly, Rangers are the best SC closers on a kited Kirin.

Only gimps kite Kirin these days.

My LS still kites...

[epigram]

Last few times I fought kirin it was straight tanking, kiting if tanks went down. Hell I got my osode as bst... well until I let a ranger in my borrow it, and promptly rmt'ed it... Like he couldn't wait a week for his to drop...

Sometimes I wish I still had it, it's good for bst for general purpose mobs like Goobue, or if your going to get hit like fighting wyverns. Depending on your build you might get more out of SH+1 on trolls though. But for TP burn or any form of DD priority Hauberk is better.

It really is great ranger gear though.

[NuJersIsh]

Manteel+Byakkos Haidate = sex

[Reality]

Of all the jobs that can wear Osode, no other job makes the most use out of it as Ranger, having no other piece of gear that even comes close.

Does this mean there should be job priority on the Osode? Depends, but if you don't you have to be prepared to do the same with all the other items in the game (Hai2u Ridill drama).

pre-COP i'd have to agree here, but now with shikaree aketon/archer's jupon, there are better per-shot body pieces than osode, osode is best used as a WS macro piece now, even for RNG

+STR doesn't really add a whole lot to per-shot damage, tbh

[Zigma]

mnk>sam>rng>war>nin>everything else.

[BRP]

Osode isn't so good that 'how much it would contribute to your LS" is even much of an issue. It should be "how much it would contribute to the job", if anything, participation first.

Anyway, lol @ Rangers-if you still use them. People are still overacting about that nerf? Ironicly, Rangers are the best SC closers on a kited Kirin.

Only gimps kite Kirin these days.

My LS still kites...

My LS doesn't want to try not kiting. From what I hear its fun if you don't.

[Yeargdribble]

Manteel+Byakkos Haidate = sex

While this might be true for recast Haidate is harder to get these days than Osode and I think people would be tossing more Osodes at their BRDs than Haidate's.

As for the String skill on the AF+1 body, almost any BRD these days knows that Wind > String anyway. Besides, on HNM what the fuck would you use string for? Elegy uses a wind instrument. While the enmity is a nice touch and essentially the AF+1 body > Osode the AF+1 Legs and Musical Earring > AF+1 body and it's arguable to say the same about the AF+1 hands. That's a lot of coins to spend before worrying about getting the body if your LS can let you use an Osode instead.

Saying it is of marginal use for BRD and therefore BRD shouldn't be on the list to recieve it is not a great reason or point considering how marginally useful it is for all of the other jobs that can use it. as well. This is quite the same argument as giving a Dalmatica to a BLM or a Defending Ring to... anything but a PLD.

[Judah]

last week we went 6/6 on byakko haidate.

we dont get shit off kirin.

bard getting osode before haidate? maybe if ur ls does kirin all day.

[Jer]

Atleast your getting Haidates. We're 0/6 for Haidate and 2/6 for Osode. Getting oddly high number of w.legs in place of everything else :s 5/6 with 2 being a double drop.

[Ayaz]

my LS has gone roughly 0/20 on heca body from kirin. we dont have any in LS. how cool is that?

[Gregorio]

There's so many better options out there for BRD than Haidate. We always get shafted on haidates too, so I'd much rather see it go to a melee.

[Mufferino]

my LS has gone roughly 0/20 on heca body from kirin. we dont have any in LS. how cool is that?

2 heca bodies in about a year + as a linkshell now. So fuckin weak haha