Dusk Gloves for WAR/NIN

[SephYuyX]

It just all seems very.. I-don't-want-to-swing-at-anything-VT-or-higher-ish..

ToAU has made people more retarded.

[Roranora]

lol.. 4serious.. I swear that amount of accuracy couldn't hit anything higher level than a puk. I hate ToA and I hate how many people think chain200 at 80xp/kill is the only way to go.

Where's m'boy Maxx? CoP > ToA

[Jeryhn]

It just all seems very.. I-don't-want-to-swing-at-anything-VT-or-higher-ish..

ToAU has made people more retarded.

Guess I should go back to the Ulli camp in sky, because getting chain 7 in an area without Sanction exp bonus or refresh, and then taking 3 minutes to rest to full is less retarded.

[Ungeheur]

Hi, I just wanted to see what ppl thought about the idea of using dusk gloves on WAR/NIN..

Here's the gear i use currently for TP gain:

Maneater/Ridill
Royal Guard Collar (hope to upgrade to PCC soon)
AF1 Shoes

Why does it bother me so much that people can get a ridill and use shitty gear?

The only thing better for a neckpiece for WAR is PCC.
AF1/Efeet/Amir are all the same unless you want to shell out the money for dusk/unicorn.

So thats like... 16-22 mil for two piece of gear.

Temperance Torque or Fortitude Torque if you have access to them! :O Fortitude torque for ridill probably though.

[Epoxy]

It just all seems very.. I-don't-want-to-swing-at-anything-VT-or-higher-ish.. and Hecatomb > Enky The KI WAR link is feeling pretty applicable right now.

Huh? He has like 22 ACC (if he uses hauby) and has a solid haste setup, so I'm assuming he's using sushi and so he could probably hit ITs pretty consistently with that setup.

[SephYuyX]

It just all seems very.. I-don't-want-to-swing-at-anything-VT-or-higher-ish..

ToAU has made people more retarded.

Guess I should go back to the Ulli camp in sky, because getting chain 7 in an area without Sanction exp bonus or refresh, and then taking 3 minutes to rest to full is less retarded.

Whoosh.

[Sendra]

so I'm assuming he's using sushi.

lol

[Roranora]

That was the exact point of it, but going any farther would require moving to the sticky.

[Zalius]

It just all seems very.. I-don't-want-to-swing-at-anything-VT-or-higher-ish..

ToAU has made people more retarded.

Guess I should go back to the Ulli camp in sky, because getting chain 7 in an area without Sanction exp bonus or refresh, and then taking 3 minutes to rest to full is less retarded.

Whoosh.

i want to scream "MORTAL COOOOOOOMBAAAAAAAAT" every time i see your avatar

[mademine]

Why does it bother me so much that people can get a ridill and use shitty gear?

Why does it bother me when people are jealous of what others have and have to judge other people's gear? Mademine: my gear isn't perfect, but I bet yours isn't either so quit being a moron kthx.

Thanks to everyone else for the advice, it's much appreciated.. unicorn legs are so rare on my server, but if I ever have the opportunity I'll try them out.

Ok, i will admit my gear isn't perfect but it is a hell of alot bettert then what you are listing here. You have argueably the beast weapon in the game and you are using af1 feet, and a fucking royal gaurds colar. My god rather then buy dusk hands why don't you get dusk feet or maybe adaman and a c.chain?

And yes i am jelous that you have a ridill and I don't. If I had one i wouldn't make stupid posts that belong on Alla about what gear i should wear with it. I suppose if you bought an account you would have no clue what to equip an endgame war with.


Edit:
Fixed one of my many typos

[Jeryhn]

It just all seems very.. I-don't-want-to-swing-at-anything-VT-or-higher-ish..

ToAU has made people more retarded.

Guess I should go back to the Ulli camp in sky, because getting chain 7 in an area without Sanction exp bonus or refresh, and then taking 3 minutes to rest to full is less retarded.

Whoosh.

There's no "whoosh" involved. EXP is about efficiency. 12k/hr trumps 5k/hr any day. There's no "need" to play smart. Chaining Ts-VTs allows you to sacrifice more accuracy for more STR, attack, Haste, etc.

Captain Obvious ftw, I know.

This just may be the SMN in me talking, but what amuses me more than anything else about melee characters is the importance they place on their gear, the importance they place on bashing other people based on their gear, or the importance they place on bitching about how "undeserving" someone is of a Ridill, and yet, outside of Dynamis, there's almost no importance to have these jobs on hand to do anything substantial, aside from using them to get merit points as a means to an end to enhance their other jobs. Grats on that.

[Sendra]

My god rather then buy duck hands why don't you get dusk feet or maybe adaman and a c.chain?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56...ellow-duck.gif

[SephYuyX]

It just all seems very.. I-don't-want-to-swing-at-anything-VT-or-higher-ish..

ToAU has made people more retarded.

Guess I should go back to the Ulli camp in sky, because getting chain 7 in an area without Sanction exp bonus or refresh, and then taking 3 minutes to rest to full is less retarded.

Whoosh.

There's no "whoosh" involved. EXP is about efficiency. 12k/hr trumps 5k/hr any day. There's no "need" to play smart. Chaining Ts-VTs allows you to sacrifice more accuracy for more STR, attack, Haste, etc.

What im saying is that because the ToAU mobs are weak as crap, melee can get away with jack shit equip, and then when it comes to fighting HNM and other hard things it's 'uhhh why me no hitting lots and doing dmgs to mobby?' Thusly a ToAU raised person will be super gimp compaired to someone who 'grew up' on IT XP mobs.

A prime example is my lvl 70 BST taking hate off of a PLD WAR and MNK constintly, I mean wtf?

[Matheson]

mademine, wth are duck hands? lol, but you do make a good point about the c.chain.

[Jeryhn]

What im saying is that because the ToAU mobs are weak as crap, melee can get away with jack shit equip, and then when it comes to fighting HNM and other hard things it's 'uhhh why me no hitting lots and doing dmgs to mobby?' Thusly a ToAU raised person will be super gimp compaired to someone who 'grew up' on IT XP mobs.

ToAU has been out for 4 months. People have been "raised" on ToAU?

I think everyone can agree here that the real expansion that tests a player's mettle is CoP, and by and large, most NAs completely sucked ass before they made their way through it, and many who still haven't still do suck ass. ToAU has absolutely nothing to do with this equation.

A prime example is my lvl 70 BST taking hate off of a PLD WAR and MNK constintly, I mean wtf?

Why do you care? If you're in an EXP party as a BST, you're probably subbing NIN and blinking a few attacks before hate gets transferred to someone else. Yeah it does smack of "wtf", but ToAU didn't suddenly suggest to players to delete their Provoke macros either.

[Cylo]

mademine, wth are duck hands? lol, but you do make a good point about the c.chain.

Just go away already. You got your info, let the thread derail and die.

[Takedown3]

most COP mobs i leveled on were VT as well... ule range was vastly VT mobs with a couple IT in there depending on the level they poped as. and i think i remember some of the eye's being T but not sure.

deco weapons? all VT (i know not COP mob)

if i remember correctly the biggest issue with meriting in the past was the complete lack of IT mobs (outside of aura stats) with decent pop times for nice chains

TOA (12k-20k/hr)>>>>>>>>> COP (8k-12k/hr)

[SassiAsura]

Like it has been pointed out previously, you'd find more help in job specific forums like KI. Of course making a what should I wear thread is asking for 3 things... people bitching about search function (you're not the first), people derailing, people flaming.

In short, you can't ever go wrong with haste builds. Especially with Dusk, you get att as well. Now as for the rest of your gear, Osodes full time is a no no. You'll want to reserve that for Steel Cyclone or parading in town. Keep that hauby on. You also have to make a distinction between TP gear and WS gear. When TPing your Str rings won't really benefit you, so might as well put some acc there.

My favorite debate however is the Unicorn leggings vs Dusk Ledlesens. I'm always inclined toward Dusk for TPing/Haste build. For a 1% difference and far less gil spending you gain +4att. TPing's also about DoTing in my books, why not throw some att in. Nobody will miss that 4Str.

[wartortle]

TOA (12k-20k/hr)>>>>>>>>> COP (8k-12k/hr)

TOA = 8k/first half hour then 5k each half hour after when some level 72 pt with a smn, a sam and a drk didn't /sea zone and decides that it's better to snipe and end your chains then have a real xp pt

Ninja Edit: Don't forget. Dusk is haste 100% of the time. Unicorn is haste -most- of the time. There is a big difference there, especially in TP burn pts.

[Matheson]

Thanks again for the advice folks, I really appreciate it!