Dusk Gloves for WAR/NIN

[NynJa]

A prime example is my lvl 70 BST taking hate off of a PLD WAR and MNK constintly, I mean wtf?

Using rampage on a mob that is at 100% does not constitute taking hate.

[Takedown3]

TOA (12k-20k/hr)>>>>>>>>> COP (8k-12k/hr)

TOA = 8k/first half hour then 5k each half hour after when some level 72 pt with a smn, a sam and a drk didn't /sea zone and decides that it's better to snipe and end your chains then have a real xp pt

Ninja Edit: Don't forget. Dusk is haste 100% of the time. Unicorn is haste -most- of the time. There is a big difference there, especially in TP burn pts.

get a pt with some ridill wars or BB monks 2 brds and a good rdm and camp the middle, i can gaurentee you that the 72smn/drk/drg pt's wont bother you much out there

[Bagel]

This topic is pretty ridiculous even by KI WAR Forum standards. Quick, someone mention tungi!

[Asy]

What the fuck is with every War full time meleeing in Osode these days?

[Rocl]

This topic is pretty ridiculous even by KI WAR Forum standards. Quick, someone mention tungi!

Tungi has a hidden effect of +50% DA. My JP friend told me

[Sendra]

What the fuck is with every War full time meleeing in Osode these days?

'cause Osode is "leet" by old standards and easy to get

[SephYuyX]

A prime example is my lvl 70 BST taking hate off of a PLD WAR and MNK constintly, I mean wtf?

Using rampage on a mob that is at 100% does not constitute taking hate.

I only did that a few times :Q

[Raineer]

A prime example is my lvl 70 BST taking hate off of a PLD WAR and MNK constintly, I mean wtf?

Using rampage on a mob that is at 100% does not constitute taking hate.

I blame mass DC's.

[draxyl]

This thread needs more FLARE, on the duck plz.

[SassiAsura]

lol drax

[Ryko]

Stay away from unicorn shoes, the likelihood youll be at white hp enough to even get the haste at a consistant enough rate as opposed to a full time 2% haste boost from dusk is rather low especially if youre in a 4 DD TP burn.

[epigram]

Simple way of looking at haste from a DD perspective is just think of it as an increase in dmg per hit. Haste doesn't change accuracy so total delay isnt' an issue for comparison.

Let's say you have X much haste, adding one more haste will get you 1 more tp to WS round per 100 tp to WS rounds. You can just average this dmg out across your dmg per hit to figure if it is better to go with attack or str in the slot as opposed to haste.

A simple case would be where your average hit is 100 dmg and your average ws is 1000dmg. So for 7 tp per hit it would take you around 15 hits to get enough tp for ws.

That means per round you do 2500 dmg. Adding 1 haste would add 2500 dmg to 100 rounds worth of dmg or 250,000. Since haste gear does not change WS dmg (and you probably don't have any haste gear equipped while doing a ws) you would need to do a bit more per hit to equal that of a haste build (assuming same acc).

Out of the 100 rounds there was a total of 100,000 dmg from WS's and 150,000 dmg from hits. For 1500 hits you would need to do 101.6667 dmg per hit to equal one more haste. Two haste would be 103.333 dmg, X much haste would be 100 + X*1.6667.

So haste isn't always the way to go, it just depends on what gear is available to you, your average dmg per hit, and your average ws dmg.

[Jeryhn]

So haste isn't always the way to go, it just depends on what gear is available to you, your average dmg per hit, and your average ws dmg.

...what about the fact that Haste also gets Utsusemi timers back up faster to lessen damage received?

[layoneil]

So haste isn't always the way to go, it just depends on what gear is available to you, your average dmg per hit, and your average ws dmg.

...what about the fact that Haste also gets Utsusemi timers back up faster to lessen damage received?

cast time macros.

[Jeryhn]

So haste isn't always the way to go, it just depends on what gear is available to you, your average dmg per hit, and your average ws dmg.

...what about the fact that Haste also gets Utsusemi timers back up faster to lessen damage received?

cast time macros.

Idiots that blink out during Utsusemi deserve the 1200 damage Fang Rushes they will inevitably receive because I cannot Cure them.

[Judah]

im still in shock that the poster quote unquote has a ridill but doesn't know what to wear on their hands...

what fucking server allows that to happen?

[inafume]

So haste isn't always the way to go, it just depends on what gear is available to you, your average dmg per hit, and your average ws dmg.

...what about the fact that Haste also gets Utsusemi timers back up faster to lessen damage received?

cast time macros.

Idiots that blink out during Utsusemi deserve the 1200 damage Fang Rushes they will inevitably receive because I cannot Cure them.

/ma "Cure III/IV/V" <pX>

[Xajii]

im still in shock that the poster quote unquote has a ridill but doesn't know what to wear on their hands...

what fucking server allows that to happen?

you'd be surprised. it's not just ridill, either.

on Odin we have

at LEAST 10 mages with Abody that simply DONT use anything else
plds with full kaiser and aegis that still suck at the job (oh just 1)
wars that use ridill on fafhogg
thfs that use ridill and/or merc kris
r

[Jeryhn]

So haste isn't always the way to go, it just depends on what gear is available to you, your average dmg per hit, and your average ws dmg.

...what about the fact that Haste also gets Utsusemi timers back up faster to lessen damage received?

cast time macros.

Idiots that blink out during Utsusemi deserve the 1200 damage Fang Rushes they will inevitably receive because I cannot Cure them.

/ma "Cure III/IV/V" <pX>

I can assure you, my macros will not change from Cure <stpc> just to save an unimportant melee 1200 exp.

Ninjar-edited.

[Khamsin]

[quote=Jeryhn]

So haste isn't always the way to go, it just depends on what gear is available to you, your average dmg per hit, and your average ws dmg.

...what about the fact that Haste also gets Utsusemi timers back up faster to lessen damage received?

cast time macros.

Idiots that blink out during Utsusemi deserve the 1200 damage Fang Rushes they will inevitably receive because I cannot Cure them.

/ma "Cure III/IV/V" <pX>

I can assure you, my macros will not change from Cure <stnpc> just to save an unimportant melee 1200 exp.[/quote:cead3]

There's the reason your melees are dying to Fang Rushes, not because they're blinking out.