Auto Refresh vs Conserve MP

[Not Kuno]

1mp/tick is 280 mp per minute?

[darkdeath]

3 Cure IVs are already like 240 MP. oh wait it took you 10 secs to cast it.. >.>

[aurik]

Who the fuck cares about comparing these in a vacuum? They don't exist in a vacuum. It doesn't matter what job you're talking about, /blm you get a shitload of useful spells. and /smn you don't. If you have a fucking problem that requires an extra 20 mp a minute or you wipe, get one of these.

[Raineer]

1mp/tick is 280 mp per minute?

Go back and try again, wasn't what I said.

And 3 Cure IV's in 10 seconds, ok didn't know we were talking Dynamis Lord fights, you need yourself some tanks.


I just answered the OP's retarded question, nothing in this game exists in a vaccum so it's pointless to discuss (but most of BG posts are anyways).. I'm just tired of BLM's acting like they fucking double their MP with Conserve MP, with no alterations you have to spend 2800 in 10 minutes (or 280/min, what you quoted), to top Auto Refresh. If you do that on BLM, congrats, then it works for you. You shouldn't be discussing the topic with RDM's or WHM's that don't nuke solid for minutes at a time. Shouldn't shock anyone that different things work for different jobs.

I realize that I can spend 240mp in 10 seconds, however I wouldn't be casting shit for the next 50 seconds if I did that since you can only curebomb so much in this game. Retarded example, as will be the following "my nukes cost 350mp each and I cast them in 4 seconds", ignoring the fact you don't chainnuke for 60 seconds solid.

[darkdeath]

well, you can cast 3 cure IVs in a merit PT. theres always dumb people out there willing to die.

Also, yes you can curebomb someone in a party and not deing. do you know what phalanx, SS and Blink are?.

On the dynamis lord thing, lolcureIV, he shoudnt even touch people.

Thank you.

[aurik]

1mp/tick is 280 mp per minute?

Go back and try again, wasn't what I said.

And 3 Cure IV's in 10 seconds, ok didn't know we were talking Dynamis Lord fights, you need yourself some tanks.


I just answered the OP's retarded question, nothing in this game exists in a vaccum so it's pointless to discuss (but most of BG posts are anyways).. I'm just tired of BLM's acting like they fucking double their MP with Conserve MP, with no alterations you have to spend 2800 in 10 minutes (or 280/min, what you quoted), to top Auto Refresh. If you do that on BLM, congrats, then it works for you. You shouldn't be discussing the topic with RDM's or WHM's that don't nuke solid for minutes at a time. Shouldn't shock anyone that different things work for different jobs.

I realize that I can spend 240mp in 10 seconds, however I wouldn't be casting shit for the next 50 seconds if I did that since you can only curebomb so much in this game. Retarded example, as will be the following "my nukes cost 350mp each and I cast them in 4 seconds", ignoring the fact you don't chainnuke for 60 seconds solid.

240 mp is less than 1 T4 + 1 T3 spell <_< its not that much.

[Delekii]

240 mp is less than 1 T4 + 1 T3 spell <_< its not that much.

1 minute isnt very long, either.

If you cast 240mp of nukes on a HNM every 1 minute, you will get hate very very fast.

[Raineer]

well, you can cast 3 cure IVs in a merit PT. theres always dumb people out there willing to die.

Also, yes you can curebomb someone in a party and not deing. do you know what phalanx, SS and Blink are?.

On the dynamis lord thing, lolcureIV, he shoudnt even touch people.

Thank you.

Yup, I have no clue how to play RDM, you're right. thx4theinsight

[darkdeath]

well maybe you do, but your arguments say the opposite. as a RDM youshould know u can burn all ur MP in a matter of seconds.

[aurik]

240 mp is less than 1 T4 + 1 T3 spell <_< its not that much.

1 minute isnt very long, either.

If you cast 240mp of nukes on a HNM every 1 minute, you will get hate very very fast.

If you run out of MP as BLM on a HNM, even without auto or conserve, you're probably dead anyway. Sit yo ass down and rest mp.

[Raineer]

1mp/tick is 280 mp per minute?

Go back and try again, wasn't what I said.

And 3 Cure IV's in 10 seconds, ok didn't know we were talking Dynamis Lord fights, you need yourself some tanks.


I just answered the OP's retarded question, nothing in this game exists in a vaccum so it's pointless to discuss (but most of BG posts are anyways).. I'm just tired of BLM's acting like they fucking double their MP with Conserve MP, with no alterations you have to spend 2800 in 10 minutes (or 280/min, what you quoted), to top Auto Refresh. If you do that on BLM, congrats, then it works for you. You shouldn't be discussing the topic with RDM's or WHM's that don't nuke solid for minutes at a time. Shouldn't shock anyone that different things work for different jobs.

I realize that I can spend 240mp in 10 seconds, however I wouldn't be casting shit for the next 50 seconds if I did that since you can only curebomb so much in this game. Retarded example, as will be the following "my nukes cost 350mp each and I cast them in 4 seconds", ignoring the fact you don't chainnuke for 60 seconds solid.

240 mp is less than 1 T4 + 1 T3 spell <_< its not that much.

Which is why you create the deliniation of "do you cast 2800+ every 10 minutes?"

You can slice this up however you want I guess, but to look at a job trait based on what you can cast in 10 seconds is retarded. You don't say a DRK is better than a WAR for DoT because they can do 20k damage in 10 seconds every 2 hours, you pick the WAR 99% of the time because he can stand up and tank + DoT with the best of them.

I don't understand why BLM's even get involved in this. You get conserve MP no matter what, it's not even a fucking choice. You can BLM/SLM and be completely fucking worthless to anyone else if you need that much MP.

This is a WHM and RDM discussion, so please leave the Thunder4 spammage out of it. You need to know wtf you're going to be doing to even enter the discussion. Are you spamming cures on a PLD/WAR tanking tiamat with no AA? Probably going to need /BLM since you're going to easily be spamming 280/min+. Are you doing something a lot lighter like Fafnir? Then /SMN can come into play, and I preffered going to Fafnir that way.

Our Fafnir kills weren't always 10 minutes, some were 25-35 simply because we had like 10 people and not the right mix (and I don't care how elite you think you are, EVERYONE has 45min-50min 5am fafnirs buried somehwere.) For slower fights like that, /SMN owned.

[Raineer]

well maybe you do, but your arguments say the opposite. as a RDM youshould know u can burn all ur MP in a matter of seconds.

Why...

[darkdeath]

Why do you PLD/WAR tiamat again?

[Raineer]

Why do you PLD/WAR tiamat again?

Didn't, and you're missing the point completely (I actually said that's the only time that Conserve MP is actually better than A/R on RDM.) Again another example of "well if shit hits the fan then oh noes you're not as effecient!!!"

If your LS knows wtf it's doing then nothing in FF is "new" anymore and you shouldn't even have any surprises barring Bahamut V2 the first round or 2. There isn't a good reason that I should have to dump all my mana as RDM, probably happened once every 3 months and wasn't at an LS event outside of dynamis or KV, there's just not many places you zerg something that fast.

If shit hits the fan, it hits the fan just as hard no matter what your sub is. If you're arguing that Conserve MP gives you 7% more MP than Auto Refresh during those times that you're having to chainspell/phalanx/blink/stoneskin tank randomHNMfor 60 seconds because all your tanks are dead/weakened then OK, you win that round. I've been there (on early tiamats), and I actually did that as /DRK with neither benefit.

[darkdeath]

Want a cookie?.

[Raineer]

Want a cookie?.

Keep trying.

[darkdeath]

that was a cheap respone from me and you to try to stop this meaningless argument. :D

[DeadLegend]

I'm much more willing(and fairly sure everyone else is) to trust the multi-paragraph responses which actually answer concerns and provide examples than the half-sentence ones that don't respond to anything.

Point: Raineer o.o/

[Charla]

*looks for the op*
I think he GTFOed

[darkdeath]

The answer is not always in these"multi-paragraph" sentences your talking of.
Sometimes you can find your answer with just a simple word.

Anyways, im just gonna arguing over something that is meaningless 'cause it has no OMGUBERDIFFERENCE on MP gaining, i'd say to this topic:

To each their own.