Handout for Square Enix

[epigram]

Hydra gear could be saved by letting all jobs that could equip other scale mail equip it.

[bercus]

For example :

Question 3 :
How to handle the questions about the heavily camped 3 Kings areas
Increase the drop rate on Jailers in Sea. Then more Linkshells can pop Absolute Virtue. Make Absolute virtue a BIT easier. Noone knows the way to deactive its 2 hour use. Then more people will get Ninjurtas Sash. This will decrease the Speed Belt price and is also a better Item, what the community asks for.

Give Hydra a Sword that hits 2-3 times as well, cause of its 3 heads. Give it maybe the same amount of Damage then Ridill. Make Hydra a 21-24 hour pop. Make Cerberus as 21-24 hour pop. Give Jorm Dalmatica Abjuration and make him 21-24 hours repop. Give Tiamat Crimson Body Abjuration and make her 21-24 hours repop. Give Vrtra Koenig Body and make her 21-24 hours repop. I doubt any Linkshell can then camp all of them :D.

^^

I don't know where that suggestion came from, but please do not encourage the 21-24 hour pop timers on anything. Just because every linkshell couldn't camp them all if they became this way doesn't mean every linkshell wants to spend the time to camp them. I think they got the spawn timer right on Cerberus; he spawns rarely enough to prevent camping, but often enough for plenty of linkshells to get their chance. Again, please do not encourage any more 21-24 hour spawn timers.

Ok, let me tell you why I think this would be ONE Good Idea.
A 3 hour window every day would make it possible for everyone to camp one of these mobs. Sure Fafnir/KB/Aspid have to be made harder, cause most people would be there then.

With KB, Fafnir, Aspid,Hydra,Cerberus,Jorm,Tiamat,Vrtra beeing 21-24 hours we would have 8 mobs for Gear, well 7 for Abjuration or Ridill-like weapons. Also to give what Item to what Wyrm was just an example.

Also Jorm/Tiamat/Vrtra I think would if it stays like it is, still be dominated by the LSs who dominate 3 Kings. With making them all 21-24 hours it could be easier set as an Event for not that experiences Linkshells. Making Fafnir/KB/Aspid harder HAS to be done that though.

Duno, there are so MANY ways how to handle this issue. The Orb thingy would work. The Instancing it somewhat else would work. So many things could work. IT JUST HAS TO BE DONE SOMEWHAT, cause I dont wanna keep watching how it is right now. Getting claim 10% of the time, and see JP and/or Botting LSs dominating the Kings.

(again fucking submit button)ß3128032180)erwqf32

[Senoska]

PLEASE NO MORE 21-23 HOUR POPS THANK YOU.

I can barly do one or two, don't give the message people like these. It will be another bot fest, its fucking stupid

[bercus]

PLEASE NO MORE 21-23 HOUR POPS THANK YOU.

I can barly do one or two, don't give the message people like these. It will be another bot fest, its fucking stupid

Do you really think that once Jorm/Tiamat/Vrtra would get Abjurations that you would be just able to go up there and kill em once they are up?

Do you really think the dominating LSs wont just have one person there and once its up call 6-8 people to hold it and later kill it? Nice then we also dont get them, and no botting is even needed to worry about.

My opinion is that with a 21-24 hour time the "weaker" Linkshells would hv a chance to kill them for Abjurations then.

I doubt any Linkshell would bother to camp 7 Mobs for Abjuration/Ridills 24/7 with a 21-24 hour Window.

Maybe its just better to do 3 Kings 10-12 hours and Increase drop rate or do the Instancing thingy. And also increase Jorm/Timmys/Vrtrass droprate pool.

(FIX FUCKING SUBMIT BUTTON)

[Senoska]

yes, they would bot it, yes there would be people camping it 24/7, no more 24/7 camping please... get all the tods seprate and ull have people doing what they do now, 1 LS at all 3 king pops.

[miokomioko]

Is it too much to ask for no more bullshit worthless trophy items from HNMs?

lolmercurialpole
lolrevilershelm
lolbahamutzaghnal
loldragonstaff
lolandvaranauts

so on and so forth

[bercus]

Glad now?

Give Hydra a Sword that hits 2-3 times as well, cause of its 3 heads.
 Give Hydra’s Sword maybe the same amount of Damage then Ridill.
 Make Hydra pop more often OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Make Cerberus pop more often OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Give Jorm Dalmatica Abjuration and make him pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool ov
 Give Tiamat Crimson Body Abjuration and make her pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Give Vrtra Koenig Body and make her pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool
I doubt any Linkshell can then camp all of them
 Increase the chance on KS99 Kings to drop Black Belt Items.

 OR SIMPLY INCREASE THE DROP RATE FOR EVERY NM/HNM BY THE PERCENTAGE OF 75 PLAYERS YOU HAVE NOW COMPARED TO 1 YEAR AGO ^ ^. 40-50% drop rate on many Items would be really helpfull.

I still think that making the BIG stuff 21-24 would help us as a End Game Community more then always need to have ppl standing at Wyrms Camps (only Tiamat worth it a bit atm) to see if it is up.>.<

[aurik]

Glad now?

Give Hydra a Sword that hits 2-3 times as well, cause of its 3 heads.
 Give Hydra’s Sword maybe the same amount of Damage then Ridill.
 Make Hydra pop more often OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Make Cerberus pop more often OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Give Jorm Dalmatica Abjuration and make him pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool ov
 Give Tiamat Crimson Body Abjuration and make her pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Give Vrtra Koenig Body and make her pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool
I doubt any Linkshell can then camp all of them
 Increase the chance on KS99 Kings to drop Black Belt Items.

 OR SIMPLY INCREASE THE DROP RATE FOR EVERY NM/HNM BY THE PERCENTAGE OF 75 PLAYERS YOU HAVE NOW COMPARED TO 1 YEAR AGO ^ ^. 40-50% drop rate on many Items would be really helpfull.

I still think that making the BIG stuff 21-24 would help us as a End Game Community more then always need to have ppl standing at Wyrms Camps (only Tiamat worth it a bit atm) to see if it is up.>.<

Give us more limbus-style stuff to do and we won't want to waste 3 hours waiting for something to pop.

[Senoska]

Glad now?

Give Hydra a Sword that hits 2-3 times as well, cause of its 3 heads.
 Give Hydra’s Sword maybe the same amount of Damage then Ridill.
 Make Hydra pop more often OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Make Cerberus pop more often OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Give Jorm Dalmatica Abjuration and make him pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool ov
 Give Tiamat Crimson Body Abjuration and make her pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Give Vrtra Koenig Body and make her pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool
I doubt any Linkshell can then camp all of them
 Increase the chance on KS99 Kings to drop Black Belt Items.

 OR SIMPLY INCREASE THE DROP RATE FOR EVERY NM/HNM BY THE PERCENTAGE OF 75 PLAYERS YOU HAVE NOW COMPARED TO 1 YEAR AGO ^ ^. 40-50% drop rate on many Items would be really helpfull.

I still think that making the BIG stuff 21-24 would help us as a End Game Community more then always need to have ppl standing at Wyrms Camps (only Tiamat worth it a bit atm) to see if it is up.>.<

Give us more limbus-style stuff to do and we won't want to waste 3 hours waiting for something to pop.

Thank you, please, seriosly, 3 hours a day is fucking annoying. Just make it like a BCNM / Limbus / something else.

your giving the Devs a totaly wrong view of what a large majority of end game players want.

rare is rare, 1-5% drop rate on ridill is down right annoying.

Anyone got a screenshot of the opening "Okay" buttion when opening FFXI? "Dont let this game interfear with real life, school, friends, or work" or some crap. yea, really hard to do when you want semi decent gear when u gotta camp 3 hours a day every day.

[bercus]

Glad now?

Give Hydra a Sword that hits 2-3 times as well, cause of its 3 heads.
 Give Hydra’s Sword maybe the same amount of Damage then Ridill.
 Make Hydra pop more often OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Make Cerberus pop more often OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Give Jorm Dalmatica Abjuration and make him pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool ov
 Give Tiamat Crimson Body Abjuration and make her pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool
 Give Vrtra Koenig Body and make her pop more often. OR/AND Better his loot pool
I doubt any Linkshell can then camp all of them
 Increase the chance on KS99 Kings to drop Black Belt Items.

 OR SIMPLY INCREASE THE DROP RATE FOR EVERY NM/HNM BY THE PERCENTAGE OF 75 PLAYERS YOU HAVE NOW COMPARED TO 1 YEAR AGO ^ ^. 40-50% drop rate on many Items would be really helpfull.

I still think that making the BIG stuff 21-24 would help us as a End Game Community more then always need to have ppl standing at Wyrms Camps (only Tiamat worth it a bit atm) to see if it is up.>.<

Give us more limbus-style stuff to do and we won't want to waste 3 hours waiting for something to pop.

Thank you, please, seriosly, 3 hours a day is fucking annoying. Just make it like a BCNM / Limbus / something else.

your giving the Devs a totaly wrong view of what a large majority of end game players want.

rare is rare, 1-5% drop rate on ridill is down right annoying.

Anyone got a screenshot of the opening "Okay" buttion when opening FFXI? "Dont let this game interfear with real life, school, friends, or work" or some crap. yea, really hard to do when you want semi decent gear when u gotta camp 3 hours a day every day.

I forgot that I also got this on a Handout for them about 3 Kings

How to solve the problem about 3 Kings-
 -make them Instanced Fights with 60 minutes time. 12-18 people can Enter at a Time. You can do this fight every 7 days. The chance you engage a HQ Version in this Instance is 1:4.
or
 -lower the repop time to 10-12 hours. Make it a 20 minutes window. Increase the drop rate on Ridill. Slightly Increase the drop rate on Abjuration Bodies.
Or
 Look at the Shee of Paper I did hand you out about the 4 Step BRP System from a FF XI player

Like often said, there is so much they could do about it. After the Interview its maybe time for everyone to write them about our wish
to get Kings instanced. I like the Idea about the BRP System that is something I suggested almost the same in my Handout to them.
The only diffrence is, that I would like to get those Orbs with ENMs or KS30 or BC99 or something else with Conquest Points, like 4k Battles. Duno, but shouldnt be a problem at all. And also more people can attend in those fights then. The only thing I would change, is that you can only do one Fight every Tally. As a HNM LS you can do then arround 2-3 Fights per Tally. In the NQ Fights you get Orbs for HQ Fights. Those can separate be done once every Tally. This wont lead into a dramatic Increase of everyone having Koenig Body but give everyone the fair chance to Fight those Mobs.

[bercus]

Where is the BG Interview with Sage Sundi gone?
I cant see the Link on Big Kills anymore >.<

[Gasgul]

Berc please do not suggest 21-4 hr pops, for the love of god,

Server maintanence is at a set time, everytime,
these should of been on a 12hr timer in the first place, due to the game you know being played 24hrs a day in eu/jp/na time slots,
having hnms pop 1/day was a bad design on the onset,
they need to realise that,

[quannum]

Where is the BG Interview with Sage Sundi gone?
I cant see the Link on Big Kills anymore >.<

http://www.theorderls.com/bigkill_sundi.php

[½pint]

They should just do 7-8 hour repops on kings, with the same 1min windows at 7, 7:30 and 8. Put about 10 different Fafnir's in the game and have one randomly pop, to make it more difficult for people botting to know which one to target. (They've done something like this with leaping lizzy I think?)

[bercus]

Where is the BG Interview with Sage Sundi gone?
I cant see the Link on Big Kills anymore >.<

http://www.theorderls.com/bigkill_sundi.php

I marry you. jk Thanks a lot.

[Artemuller]

Just wanted to give my opinion in regards to suggestions for king's pop conditions. I like BRP's idea. Basically the conflict in camping kings has revolved around competition, bots, and question about time worthwhile in pursuing. Changing pop times or making it more variable would improve the conditions: less ls's camping at once. However, the other problems would arise again. I think by approaching it in an orb process would be better because a lot more would be involved than just camping/botting. My only concern though is we have to make sure that the sky situation does not repeat in this: early triggers for the orbs a target for GS to monopolize.

[NynJa]

HOLY SHIT FUCK OFF WITH THE 21-24 POPS !!!!
I WILL FLY TO SWITZERLAND OR WHEREVER YOU LIVE AND GOUGE YOUR EYES OUT WITH A RUSTY SPORK.


21-24 pops were the stupidest thing ever. 21h is ok, 21h with a window 15 min prior, 15 min after and at 21h on the dot is ok. THREE HOURS OF AFKING WITH FFXIAPP RUNNING IS FUCKING JEWISH.


If SE is that adamant about keeping kings the way they are, include a new method of fighting them, and move the drops there. Oh, they allready did...except they forgot to move the drops over.

[Don Katsu]

Shikigami Weapon was by far the most clever idea. It's almost impossible to bot with one character since you have to cast to make it appear.

[Ksandra]

Please bertus if you're going to add any suggestions to the hnm issue please let it be about bcnm/instance style fights versus windows. I think it's safe to say that most of the community wants that and they need to hear that part especially. Not just with the handout they may not read.

Changing window times won't change voke botters, bcnm fights will. And like other said sitting around for 3 hours hoping for that chance you'll claim the mob is stupid. Please for the love of everything don't give them the idea we like long windows.

[Lockecole]

Bahamut 2. Best BC Ever. Put shit like Ridill in an instanced fight like that, with the same if not more difficulty, and watch ONLY the elite of the server get the good gear.

But guess what? EVERYONE will want Ridill, so everyone will try and do what it takes to be an LS good enough to kill Bahamut. Reason why 90% of the fucking community sucks at this game, is because there is no incentive to be good enough to kill the hard things in this game. Give Bahamut 2 (or an equally hard to get to BC) Ridill, E.Body, M.Body, and watch the general skill/knowledge of this game fucking skyrocket within endgame LSes.

Either that, or only the people who deserve the really good gear will have it, so either way you win. There's not even close to a surplus of Bahamut 2 gear on any server, so its obvious this wont flood the server with M.Bodys and E.Bodys...at least no more then a Nidhogg that can be killed in 20mins without any amount of skill or risk taken.

(Sorry I didnt read this whole topic except the first page, if this was stated forgive me.) Hey at least I apologized =P

And for all of you who complain that this will isolate those who aren't good at this game. Well boohoo, noone has an excuse for failing at this game, its just all about being knowledgable in what you're doing...taking the time to study strats and being able to make up your own, based off your LSes strengths.