Handout for Square Enix

[Ryko]

don't change 3 kings system, it is perfect. people who complain about it want to turn every strong/rare item into forced pop, so eventually any player who spends a long time can get whatever item they want if their linkshell wants to give them.

At first I was gonna call you borderline retarded, but you just hopped that shit like a mexcian going for distance.

[Jeryhn]

Being a good war is done simply in relation to gear and merits...

No, being a good WAR is learning how to provoke off of mages keeping them alive (which a fuckton do not do). WARs willing to tank even though its not their given role when things go sour, or are willing to kite Xarcabard NMs with shadows and defender so paladins don't take more damage than they have to are good WARs.

Gear and merits can always be corrected. Being one-track minded and learning only how to use Berserk, Agressor and Rampage is not a WAR I want to party with.

[epigram]

3 kings system keeps precious items rare and more importantly forces the linkshells to compete. How else are linkshells supposed to compete if not for 3 kings?

BG points, fish ranking, who cares.

only the most organized and dedicated LS's can camp in all time zones the way 3 kings are right now, and the rarity and random aspect of items dropping still keeps it hard even for those LS's.

So those with any degree of skill but lots of time should get items.

the 3-hrs + per day does suck, but it is the only way to keep 3 kings revolving through all NA, EUR and JP times as evenly as possible. Now that kings go hyper they can not easily be held in time zones.

Yeah limbus sure sucks because I'm on an NA time zone.

stop complaining about botting, legit LS's get 3 kings all the time when they actually go and camp.

Really? Even though 18 botters will get the claim more often than 18 non-botters simply due to probability.

also 3 kings are nicely drawn and detailed NM's, set up in zones where everyone who camps is forced to see eachother and can /check eachother or just be involved. SE wants to make the powerful boss NM's good looking and famous FF-type mobs like King Behemoth, which will always require at least a group to take down, so anyone who comes to watch will see that at high lvl play it requires organization and effort to fight awesome NM's that pop only around once a week. if new high lvl people want to see awesome looking NMs they need to go to beautiful areas like aery where it is difficult to journey to and then will see the dedicated senior people there wearing rare/powerful armor and camping powerful NM's with beautifully drawn graphics, that look intimidating,, so even anyone looking over the shoulder of a player at his comp will obviously know that it is a high-lvl area fighting a giant HNM, and ffxi will show impressive environments and enemies for high lvl people to go to. even after years of going, aery still is beautiful to look at, dominion is ominous and scary at night and when you hear thunder...

lol

there's enough forced-pop type eq in dynamis for everyone to get that. if you want abj/dring/rid go suffer camping HNMs like everyone else, at least you'll be competing with other LS's and earning a rare/powerful item instead of just organizing a bunch of people to perform forced-pop tasks like in sky, or like BCNM's. dynamis is the perfect way for people who don't agree with 3 kings system to get powerful, so lvl rdm or blm and farm hats @ xarc, or farm beauc for ninja body or start working on a relic. if you want dalmatica or ridill go to aery but be ready to compete for it.

So someone with more free time should get nice stuff again regardless of skill. Dedication is too subjective of a matter to claim.

The pop times of HNMs are perfect because they should be a little more rare than the cooldown times for dynamis, so items will stay rare and it gives as much chance to everyone as possible to go and camp and get lucky for a random drop of a precious item.

So, your saying that rarity can only be accomplished by 24 hour pops hnm? BTW you still haven't explained what skill it takes besides having a lot of free time to camp them.

the point is if you want powerful items in a forced-pop type system dynamis is there, but if you want 3kings loot you need to compete for it, and the current system is the best way to take care of as much as possible while trying to still be fair to all players in different time zones. there's no way to keep items fair unless it's all random. that is the most fair way, even if it is frustrating.

Actually dynamis has a lot of shitty items for many jobs, what your really saying is that you can be mentally retarded with a lot of free time and get three kings loot.

it is very obvious that SE knows loot from 3 wyrms or even AV or other powerful NM's are arguably not as good as loot from 3 kings, so stop pointing that out.

I don't think that is entirely obvious.

it's done on purpose so that organized groups of players will be rewarded accordingly for what development team decides is a more difficult and significant task: interacting with other LS's and competing in lag for claim against 250 people or posting on a website or /lsmes to be at jormungand next time he pops so he can be zerged.

Not really, it's old stuff with old principals. You can't claim this was a desired intent when only a handful of ls's could take down these NM's. I sincerely doubt SE inteded dragon's aery to be a lag fest of 180 people each day.

The reality is that you camp kings, and you don't want to see all your time spent to attain these items seem insignificant if SE does make a change. You bring up notions of dedication, but dedication is very subjective, it could simply be that your ls members have nothing better to do with their time, or have very fragile ego's and need to be better than others to maintain any albeit false sense of self-worth. In the end you waste 3 hours every day to get some rare item that under a different system could be equaly as rare, requires more skill to attain, and more evenly distributed amongst the servers. Still I find it comical that you have such grandure of three kings and consider checking other people to be some form of pinacle of social interaction.

[Sonomaa]

Being a good war is done simply in relation to gear and merits...

No, being a good WAR is learning how to provoke off of mages keeping them alive (which a fuckton do not do). WARs willing to tank even though its not their given role when things go sour, or are willing to kite Xarcabard NMs with shadows and defender so paladins don't take more damage than they have to are good WARs.

Gear and merits can always be corrected. Being one-track minded and learning only how to use Berserk, Agressor and Rampage is not a WAR I want to party with.

provoke is a level 76 ability for some warriors
and lol at the guy saying kings were fine, I guess he doesnt have to deal with rampant botting and linkshells getting M bodys for thier mannequins
that competition isnt healthy at all nor is it fair

[Takedown3]

Being a good war is done simply in relation to gear and merits...


as far as his PLD goes:
*cue quote of "all it takes is a team of good support to make even a retard pld look good"*

YOU MUST NOT KNOW WHO I AM!!!!

IM THE JUGGERNAUT BITTTTTTCCHHH

i lold when i saw that in the xmen3

[Don Katsu]

it's done on purpose so that organized groups of players will be rewarded accordingly for what development team decides is a more difficult and significant task: interacting with other LS's and competing in lag for claim against 250 people or posting on a website or /lsmes to be at jormungand next time he pops so he can be zerged.

I don't believe SE intended on 40+ people to spending 3 hours away from their keyboards running third party programs only to have 120+ become frustrated to the point where they slowly quit the game.

[Gatsby]

Hell if you added ONE king abjuration to jorg and vrtra, people would kill those 2 wyrms just for the off chance of getting a dalm and others. Give em the entire 3 kings ABJURATION loot pool, and people would farm em and complain that they got D feet.

[Nirokun!]

(had to address this) whm af2:

head: useless
body: best thing in the world, refresh body with -enmity, use for all spells (except flash, blessed briault) that arent cure, unless you have nashira body (raise spells, all non-cure/non-regen spells in situations where hate is not important)
hands: selfcare, enfeebling nice when sleep lands on IT after you flash it and ESeal isnt up
legs: barspells
feet: barspells, dont really need it to hit cap on stoneskin, cure V macro (or if you're lazy like me, keep it macroed for all cures in situations where hate is not important, change your macro to include blessed pumps when you do a sketchy hate fight ;P)

whm af2 is good >_>

[epigram]

If bst af2 was deleted from the game I wouldn't really care or notice :/

[Jeryhn]

(had to address this) whm af2:

head: useless
body: best thing in the world, refresh body with -enmity, use for all spells (except flash, blessed briault) that arent cure, unless you have nashira body (raise spells, all non-cure/non-regen spells in situations where hate is not important)
hands: selfcare, enfeebling nice when sleep lands on IT after you flash it and ESeal isnt up
legs: barspells
feet: barspells, dont really need it to hit cap on stoneskin, cure V macro (or if you're lazy like me, keep it macroed for all cures in situations where hate is not important, change your macro to include blessed pumps when you do a sketchy hate fight ;P)

whm af2 is good >_>

Which is why everyone wears Noble's and Blessed legs/feet/hands almost fulltime right?

Head: You said head is useless, npok.
Body: The enmity- is nice... if WHM had any spells that pull hate besides Cure and Flash.
Hands: Nice for enfeebling or banishing. How many WHMs are landing Paralyze on HNMs though?
Legs: The only reason why a WHM's Barelemental spell will reduce more damage than an RDM's.
Feet: Stoneskin macro! ...only all that MND and Haste on Blessed gear is better for trying to cap Stoneskin (and get it back up faster if need be) than Cleric's (assuming you're a good WHM with capped Enhancing, of course).

[Banstick]

3 Kings IMO should all just be 1 big BCNM

Omega Orb: This shiny orb emits a powerful aura

Buy it @ Jeuno NPC

Omega Orb 100,000,000

trade to a ??? in a new BCNM type zone (Must be large)

When trading You will be given 1:30mins to kill KB Nidg and Aspid only 18 ppl are allowed in the BC every 3 days, All Kings are up upon appearance
when you first engage a king the other will not link and instead will aggro at a certain % (like Promy vahzl) Adds are 100% resistant to sleep, and KB will gain a resistance to gravity really fast.

This BCNM has a 3 day dynamis/limbus wait
(Ridill could be added to Nidg's Loot)

imo this a really good way to weed out the 3-4 ls competition.

[stollio]

If bst af2 was deleted from the game I wouldn't really care or notice :/

You'd notice when it didn't drop every xarc run instead of useful af

[aurik]

3 Kings IMO should all just be 1 big BCNM

Omega Orb: This shiny orb emits a powerful aura

Buy it @ Jeuno NPC

Omega Orb 100,000,000

trade to a ??? in a new BCNM type zone (Must be large)

When trading You will be given 1:30mins to kill KB Nidg and Aspid only 18 ppl are allowed in the BC every 3 days, All Kings are up upon appearance
when you first engage a king the other will not link and instead will aggro at a certain % (like Promy vahzl) Adds are 100% resistant to sleep, and KB will gain a resistance to gravity really fast.

This BCNM has a 3 day dynamis/limbus wait
(Ridill could be added to Nidg's Loot)

imo this a really good way to weed out the 3-4 ls competition.

That would wipe out gil so fast. We already have a bit of a "dwindling currency" problem on our hands, the last thing we need is a major sink like this.

[Don Katsu]

10,000,000 gil would make more sense... or.......... obtaining the Orb from an ENM/Garrison/KS99

[Krandor]

10,000,000 gil would make more sense... or.......... obtaining the Orb from an ENM/Garrison/KS99

50% drop off Bahamut

[layoneil]

Or rather, the Bahamut's Zaghnal shouldn't be the piece of shit it is.
Crank up its damage. Same thing with the Amood.

Or better yet, release more weapons like Ridill, good multiattack weapons, but instead of making it drop in the Aery, make it drop off of HNMs that matter, like Hydra.

what DMG would Mercurial Pole have to have for MNKs to merit staff instead of H2H like WARs with Sword and Axe merits?

[Jeryhn]

Or rather, the Bahamut's Zaghnal shouldn't be the piece of shit it is.
Crank up its damage. Same thing with the Amood.

Or better yet, release more weapons like Ridill, good multiattack weapons, but instead of making it drop in the Aery, make it drop off of HNMs that matter, like Hydra.

what DMG would Mercurial Pole have to have for MNKs to merit staff instead of H2H like WARs with Sword and Axe merits?

40 rather than 4.

[Banstick]

3 Kings IMO should all just be 1 big BCNM

Omega Orb: This shiny orb emits a powerful aura

Buy it @ Jeuno NPC

Omega Orb 100,000,000

trade to a ??? in a new BCNM type zone (Must be large)

When trading You will be given 1:30mins to kill KB Nidg and Aspid only 18 ppl are allowed in the BC every 3 days, All Kings are up upon appearance
when you first engage a king the other will not link and instead will aggro at a certain % (like Promy vahzl) Adds are 100% resistant to sleep, and KB will gain a resistance to gravity really fast.

This BCNM has a 3 day dynamis/limbus wait
(Ridill could be added to Nidg's Loot)

imo this a really good way to weed out the 3-4 ls competition.

That would wipe out gil so fast. We already have a bit of a "dwindling currency" problem on our hands, the last thing we need is a major sink like this.

heh maybe its a lil over priced,but 10mil is a rediculously low price for a chance at 1-4 Abj. Body/Dring/Ridill and other goods

is it a good idea though?

[Don Katsu]

Or rather, the Bahamut's Zaghnal shouldn't be the piece of shit it is.
Crank up its damage. Same thing with the Amood.

Or better yet, release more weapons like Ridill, good multiattack weapons, but instead of making it drop in the Aery, make it drop off of HNMs that matter, like Hydra.

what DMG would Mercurial Pole have to have for MNKs to merit staff instead of H2H like WARs with Sword and Axe merits?

40 rather than 4.

Maybe that weapon was a Type-o

[BRP]

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/186...temcopygp5.jpg
Thar yah go. (a bit ugly, I know)
Anyway to include what couldn't fit on chart.
Behemoth Orb
Orc King - 100%
*new* Tonberry King - 100% (3-7 day timer)
New HNM - 50% (3-7 day timer)
New HNM - 50% (3-7 day timer)
KSNM99 - 30%
Certain BCNMs and ENMs - 10%
Other Quests(Garrison? Unwelcomed Guest?) - 5%
Metal Chip Limbus - 100%
Fafnir Orb
Yagudo King - 100%
*new* Sahagin King - 100% (ect, ect, just assume for all below)
New HNM - 50%
King Vinegarroon - 50% (now has more health and doesn't depop, 3-7 day timer, 1 new drop, higher drop rates)
KSNM99 - 30%
Certain BCNMs and ENMs - 10%
Other Quests(Garrison? Unwelcomed Guest?) - 5%
Metal Chip Limbus - 100%
Adamantoise Orb
Quadav King - 100%
*new* Antica King - 100%
New HNM - 50%
Xolotl - 50% (now has more health, summons more and no limit of number of summons, 3-7 day timer, 1 new drop, higher drop rates)
KSNM99 - 30%
Certain BCNMs and ENMs - 10%
Other Quests(Garrison? Unwelcomed Guest?) - 5%
Metal Chip Limbus - 100%

Both Metal Chip Limbus reward 1 Orb 100%, randomly chosen.

On the scale of toughness. NQ should be in the Ouryu range(though, probably a little easier) and HQ should be in the Bahamutv2 range, maybe even harder due to new strategies that would be required.

Forgot somethings(sources of orbs and got rid of the question marks). I also got rid of my name, to avoid that kind of 'drama'. Anyway, Bercus I hope this becomes apart of your handout, I suck at photoshop, so it was a bitch to make.