INTERVIEW !!!!!!!!!! MAKE IT STICKY OR BURN :P

[Zihn]

Casual players or those not willing to go the extra mile and be "hardcore" fall by the wayside. This shit is rare for a reason... and often not rare enough.

That so called "extra mile" you need to go to be "hardcore" is called botting... get into your thick skull that the current king system is flawed beyond reason and only rewards cheaters.

[Masterofshade]

Exactly. I don't bot cuz I like my character, but I also don't get claims. I just turn down my settings and spam Flash/Voke/Stun. Sometimes my LS gets a claim. In maybe 30 of our latest Faffy camps (we only camp in the evening, because 90% of our LS works) we've claimed like 3. Pretty disgusting really.

Edit: missed a word.

[Eternus]

They want to keep the timesink intact. Also I disagree that everyone should be able to fight these monsters. Shit should be rare, so that we will keep playing.

Shit should be rare, but the people who get it shouldnt be decided upon a program running inside your computer.

Anyone who runs a PC can get those programs for free if they look hard enough to compete if they wish. If you want to ban all the botters in this game then go ahead, but you would be hypocritical to not ban the fishbotters, chocodiggerbotters, etc. The bots mean a shitload less than they used to... you get nulled on a bot if your settings aren't right anyway, and that still doesn't guarantee claim. I have seen plenty of legit claimers get claims. If the mob pops purple on your screen, then you might want to check up on your PC or your connection. It is understandable though with 100-200 people in an area for people to lag enough to not see Nidhogg.

Oh yeah and I don't think it is right anymore for a MMO to be cross platform for consoles and PCs. PC users will ALWAYS have advantages over console users no matter what a company does to prevent it. That is why MMOs should stay on PCs anyways. Putting FFXI on both PC and PS2 was a bad idea to start with... the playing field will never be even.

[phirien]

Casual players or those not willing to go the extra mile and be "hardcore" fall by the wayside. This shit is rare for a reason... and often not rare enough.

That so called "extra mile" you need to go to be "hardcore" is called botting... get into your thick skull that the current king system is flawed beyond reason and only rewards cheaters.

and when they finally put an HNM with good drops into a BCNM ( Bahamut v. 2) what happened?

well on my server, no NA LS can kill it. Most of them can't even kill Ouryu. My LS, one other mix JP/NA shell and a couple JP only shells are the only ones who have killed Bahamut 2. and guess what, those are the same LS that account for most of the HNM land kings claims.

bottom line is, people will always bitch about items and the difficulty involved with obtaining them until they are practically sent to them in their delivery box.

[*Shinzon*]

Eh thats not totally True Phi, Bahamut V2 is dependent on completing All of Zilart and CoP, and not every single person has bothered with the CoP rings/Finishing Zilart after DM. We need to get another group through bahamut ourselves who are just finishing their CoP missions.

[Zihn]

The reason why someone cannot get the best gear should be cause he is not good enough to kill said beast that drops the gear, and not cause he cant tab through 100 ppl and 1-3 darters faster than a bot can sniff the mob ID and voke it...

There are 2 reasons to defend current system

A: I have the gear and fuck it if i see any legit NA wearing my pimp shit.
B: I have a bot or my ls bots for me so what do i care... cant realy get better than being afk watching TV and still get my claim.

[theo]

and when they finally put an HNM with good drops into a BCNM ( Bahamut v. 2) what happened?

well on my server, no NA LS can kill it. Most of them can't even kill Ouryu. My LS, one other mix JP/NA shell and a couple JP only shells are the only ones who have killed Bahamut 2. and guess what, those are the same LS that account for most of the HNM land kings claims.

bottom line is, people will always bitch about items and the difficulty involved with obtaining them until they are practically sent to them in their delivery box.

Yeah I'd love to have a nice shiny abj. body armor, but hell I'd be happy if my LS had a chance to at least fight the mobs every so often. Attemping a really really hard BC is way more fun than sitting around for 3 hours, well at least for me anyway.

[bercus]

Also your 3 kings dropping the best 3 bodies for each jobs is a completely flawed. A.body for 1mp/tick or W.body for -10% breath dmg.

Iam 100% sure they think now that those are the 3 best bodies
I could tell em Brown Belt is the best Monk Belt and they would hv said yes maybe.... or "OK!!" >.<

[phirien]

Eh thats not totally True Phi, Bahamut V2 is dependent on completing All of Zilart and CoP, and not every single person has bothered with the CoP rings/Finishing Zilart after DM. We need to get another group through bahamut ourselves who are just finishing their CoP missions.

Yeah I know shin, but that's the point i'm trying to make.

When SE finally put a tough HNM into a BC, people were too lazy to even complete the prerequesites to even attempt it. If a LS is too lazy to finish a couple missions then they don't deserve the drops from the BC, plain and simple.

not trying to sound like i'm criticizing anyone, hell i don't even have sea access myself, but on the same hand i'm not going to be complaining to SE about not being able to obtain a Bahamut's Mask.

[Eternus]

Nah I agree that the fight would be more interesting if everyone could attempt it. Instancing the fights still would make for the more "hardcore" people actually attempting and winning the fights. SE won't make the 3 Kings drops/fights in a BC form unless they find a suitable timesink that scales with the one they have in place now. They could easily manipulate what BRP made and make it an even more torturous timesink. Casual players still would not be able to do the fight, much less win.

[phirien]

The reason why someone cannot get the best gear should be cause he is not good enough to kill said beast that drops the gear, and not cause he cant tab through 100 ppl and 1-3 darters faster than a bot can sniff the mob ID and voke it...

There are 2 reasons to defend current system

A: I have the gear and fuck it if i see any legit NA wearing my pimp shit.
B: I have a bot or my ls bots for me so what do i care... cant realy get better than being afk watching TV and still get my claim.

I have pretty much everything I could ever want off landHNM kings, with the exception of Defending Ring (Full Koenig/Crimson/Zenith), and I still agree with you 100%.

The BEST items should go to the BEST players. Not the best/fastest botters. The not-so-great players should get not-so-great items, and so on.

SE is completely backwards, with the exception of Bahamut v2. But the point I was trying to make is that even if they did put Nidhogg/KB/Aspi into a BC and made them harder, for the most part you would see the same LS with the items, because at least on my server, most of the LS who complain about botting can't kill them anyway.

[NynJa]

I'm at school, so I cant get a screenshot of FFXIAPP, other than the ones found on its official website...which I dont want to use just so ppl cant find the URL by looking at the image location (though most ppl here know what the site is and you can google it np), you cant tell me that using a program to claim something while you afk for three hours cybering with some guy pretending to be a girl is elite.

[Garret]

I think the issue with 3 Kings is that it's more than just a timesink.

Dynamis is a timesink, but if you keep at it you do get rewarded for all the time invested, whether the rewards justify the time spent is up for debate.

However, the timesink currently required for 3 Kings is so far out of balance that the time you spend at them can in essence mean absolutely nothing because you aren't wasting time fighting them, yuo're wasting time trying to fight them.

If the KS99 Wyrm fight had an item it dropped at a 5% rate that let you fight an instanced Nidhogg when traded with 999KS it would still be a timesink, but like Dynamis if you keep at it you will get rewarded.

My point is if they want the timesink to exist as a barrier to getting these items they can create other timesinks which still make these items very rare & difficult to obtain but which level the playing field.

Kirin's Osode, for example, used to be an incredibly rare item, back when NA's first began fighting Kirin it was by no means a common item. But after being out as long as it has people have put in the time to equip their LS with these & it took a long time for it to crest over to the relatively common piece it is now among 75's. This example may not jive completely with say a Ridill or Defending Ring but it just demonstrates that SE is capable of creating large time sinks which do take quite a long time to overcome, and they can scale those time sinks with the rarity they want for an item if they try.

[Eternus]

By "hardcore" I mean people with the most spare time to dedicate to farming items or any other shit that will allow for access to any instanced fight with the 3 kings as well. The LSs that spend the most time complaining about the 3 kings are those who don't even camp usually. It is all about the timesink. Very little skill is involved, it is more organization and planning.

[NynJa]

Casual players or those not willing to go the extra mile and be "hardcore" fall by the wayside. This shit is rare for a reason... and often not rare enough.

That so called "extra mile" you need to go to be "hardcore" is called botting... get into your thick skull that the current king system is flawed v. 2) what happened?

well on my server, no NA LS can kill it. Most of them can't even kill beyond reason and only rewards cheaters.

and when they finally put an HNM with good drops into a BCNM ( Bahamut Ouryu. My LS, one other mix JP/NA shell and a couple JP only shells are the only ones who have killed Bahamut 2. and guess what, those are the same LS that account for most of the HNM land kings claims.

bottom line is, people will always bitch about items and the difficulty involved with obtaining them until they are practically sent to them in their delivery box.

GOOD

These no skill faggots who zerg aery with 50 people dont DESERVE to get kills and wins by merely overwhelming these fights.

[Eternus]

Also alot of the people who cry about the 3 kings were either fishbotters who cheated to get their gil or people who bought gil themselves to cheat their way through FFXI in the first place. Botters could have done the same thing as well, but cheating is cheating no matter which time sink you cheat to avoid. "Elite" means the people who spend the most time in the game. They are "haijin", which means they have no lives outside the one they spend in FFXI. Those dedicated types are the ones who get the gear they want and fight the mobs others don't get the chance to fight.

[NynJa]

Also alot of the people who cry about the 3 kings were either fishbotters who cheated to get their gil or people who bought gil themselves to cheat their way through FFXI in the first place. Botters could have done the same thing as well, but cheating is cheating no matter which time sink you cheat to avoid. "Elite" means the people who spend the most time in the game. They are "haijin", which means they have no lives outside the one they spend in FFXI. Those dedicated types are the ones who get the gear they want and fight the mobs others don't get the chance to fight.

http://hello.nynja.ca/mandau.jpg
and I think the kings sytem is beyond retarded.

And thats coming from someone who actually found sea worthwhile, partially because I dont see any difference between:
YourLSMember defeats the Aspidochelone.
You find a D.Abjuration Ft. on the Aspidochelone.
and
YourLSMember defeats the Jailer of Prudence.
You find a Prudence Rod on the Jailer of Prudence.

[layoneil]

SE doesn't want more people to have access to those monsters or the items they drop. They want to keep the timesink intact.

even if we accept that argument, that in no way explains the crap that drops off of Jailers, Vrtra, Jorm, Cerberus, Hydra and Bahamut.

what is everyone getting all worked up over? Ridill, Defending Ring, Dalmatica, Koenig Cuirass, Adaman Haubrek.

they can easily make any other weapon similar (slightly worse than Ridill) and put it on the other mobs. Soboro Sukehiro drops off a Lv 50 cap NM, why?

Bahamut's Zaghnal is trash. would a 2-3 hit scythe with 60 DMG really break the game? i don't see how if Ridill isn't breaking the game. and they can make the drop rate on those things just as rare as Ridill. if a player who had both DRK and WAR leveled can get a scythe like that would they still waste away all that time in DA?

why the hell did they put Yinyang Robe on an NM that can be duoed (maybe even soloed)? why is there no RDM equivalent on some harder mob (like Hydra)? why not make something equivalent to Adaman Haubrek for jobs that can't equip Adaman Haubrek?

why are there no Staves that are slightly better than HQ Elemental Staves, why do they not drop off of Jailers?

they can easily keep their timesinks and not break their game and not frustrate the hell out of people at the same time. but they don't understand what the problems are. basically, they are just ignorant and stupid about their own game, which is sad.

[Reality]

that was depressing

saori looks moderately hot

She looks like a vutlure D:

agreed. nerds have bad taste. and by bad i mean "will hit anything that moves".

[Don Katsu]

SE is completely backwards, with the exception of Bahamut v2. But the point I was trying to make is that even if they did put Nidhogg/KB/Aspi into a BC and made them harder, for the most part you would see the same LS with the items, because at least on my server, most of the LS who complain about botting can't kill them anyway.

I remember a certain LS that went from complaining about botting and wiping to Fafnir, to killing it a few times in a row under 30 mins. Everything can be done with the right jobs and right numbers and right strategy. It's not always going to happen at the very moment you fight the mob for the first time.