Apocalypse Nigh Earring choice

[Jeryhn]

But if you're refering to unique stats, Magnetic Earring has a stat unique to earrings: Conserve MP. There are less than a hand full of items that give Conserve MP.

And in one of the previous threads someone tested +5 conserve MP and it gave negligeable results.

Do you mean the same negligable results that a Convert 3% of damage received to MP earring would give to most mages who have this handy spell called Stoneskin?

Also, Novia Earring being a better potential earring than Magnetic? lol
Did your birth mother give you up for adoption or something?

[zhan]

I kinda have my heart set on Magnetic for when I clear the BC ... the Conserve MP allthough not a lot would be very helpfull when soloing bigger things as RDM/NIN, which is something I enjoy doing. If you enjoy getting E-peen burst go static. FFS PEOPLE DO WHAT TASTE RIGHT.

[inafume]

But if you're refering to unique stats, Magnetic Earring has a stat unique to earrings: Conserve MP. There are less than a hand full of items that give Conserve MP.

And in one of the previous threads someone tested +5 conserve MP and it gave negligeable results.

And I believe it was a WHM/SMN or something testing Cure 5. It's the same thing as haste. There's not really any point in using it by itself. When paired with other pieces that also have it, the benefit becomes apparent.

From a BLM perspective, stacking Conserve MP is "easier" to do than other jobs.

[NynJa]

But if you're refering to unique stats, Magnetic Earring has a stat unique to earrings: Conserve MP. There are less than a hand full of items that give Conserve MP.

And in one of the previous threads someone tested +5 conserve MP and it gave negligeable results.

And I believe it was a WHM/SMN or something testing Cure 5. It's the same thing as haste. There's not really any point in using it by itself. When paired with other pieces that also have it, the benefit becomes apparent.

From a BLM perspective, stacking Conserve MP is "easier" to do than other jobs.

too bad whm/smn fucking blows unless you're needing AA.

LOLDERAIL

[Priran]

I stack it with my AF2 boots and Weskit, but it's definitely not "negligible" if you put it all together.

i think they call that the placebo effect

[SephYuyX]

I stack it with my AF2 boots and Weskit, but it's definitely not "negligible" if you put it all together.

i think they call that the placebo effect

Conserve MP in its self is a placebo.

[Kross]

But if you're refering to unique stats, Magnetic Earring has a stat unique to earrings: Conserve MP. There are less than a hand full of items that give Conserve MP.

And in one of the previous threads someone tested +5 conserve MP and it gave negligeable results.

well, i am biased, I stack it with my AF2 boots and Weskit, but it's definitely not "negligible" if you put it all together. Again, this is just an opinion, but if you are a career mage, there is no real reason to not get a Magnetic.

Can anyone confirm if "Conserve MP+" increases proc rate? and by how much? Because to my understanding it only increases the MP that you save when it does proc.

[Jeryhn]

I stack it with my AF2 boots and Weskit, but it's definitely not "negligible" if you put it all together.

i think they call that the placebo effect

Much like the whole melee maxing out their DD capability thing.

Whatever. The Damage Convert on Etheral is a unique stat.
So is the Enspell Damage on Hollow. How many people are not laughing at others for choosing Hollow?

Unique stat =/= Useful stat.

[Masterofshade]

I chose magnetic. I macro it in for every spell I cast (excpet Ninjutsu, Inv Space > Sex with Jesus). It's pretty noticeable how often my Conserve goes off on WHM/BLM. Maybe a 1/10 or 1/12. Buffing in the middle of a Tiamat fight wiht Tectra/Shell for like 75 MP is pretty nice, and so is a CureV for 67mp.

I'm not gonna play like the other earrings aren't pretty good, but I'm with Nynja on this. Magnetic, for any mage, will give the largest overall benefit, while static and ethereal will give marginal benefits like 1/3rd of the time.

Ethereal is for PLDs, some DRKs who can't stun AoEs, and for piercing your grandmother's clit. Not much else really.

[Turlos.]

For whatever its worth, I picked a static earring and now wish I had picked ethereal. Might make a difference since my two main jobs I play regularly are PLD and BLM. BRD is only for xp and everything else just sits around.

When I decided the static, I decided to try to figure out which would be better for my BLM. The Static or the magnetic earring. I decided to test out conserve mp with my AF2 blm boots + genie weskit (which would be the same conserve mp as the weskit + a magnetic earring if I wore yigit feet instead).

THe tests that I did, while not entirely scientific enough to be "proof" did tell me 500 casts of Cure IV, and 500 casts of warp with the AF2 boots on (+5 conserve mp) vs the same number of casts without them seemed such a negligible difference that I couldn't rationalize to myself why I would get it.

What I could not test was what the conserve mp would be of weskit + boots + earring though. Perhaps if its high enough, you suddenly see a big difference, I am not sure.

Either way I chose Static for my BLM, and swap out my moldavite for the static on fights like Fafnir. I really don't see a ton of difference there either though, and wish I had just gotten the ethereal for my Paladin instead.

I might not be right, am wrong alot.. but this was how I made my choice at least.

[Masterofshade]

I decided to test out conserve mp with my AF2 blm boots + genie weskit (which would be the same conserve mp as the weskit + a magnetic earring if I wore yigit feet instead).

THe tests that I did, while not entirely scientific enough to be "proof" did tell me 500 casts of Cure IV, and 500 casts of warp with the AF2 boots on (+5 conserve mp) vs the same number of casts without them seemed such a negligible difference that I couldn't rationalize to myself why I would get it.

Might wanna fix that?

[safer]

why would someone care for a unique stat if they'll NEVER use it...

you're just packrating and letting items rot

wtf am i gonna do with ethreal earring? leave it in storage until i quit the game?

i've already gotten soooooooooooooooooo much use out of my magnetic that i dont regret ever getting it

[Turlos.]

I decided to test out conserve mp with my AF2 blm boots + genie weskit (which would be the same conserve mp as the weskit + a magnetic earring if I wore yigit feet instead).

THe tests that I did, while not entirely scientific enough to be "proof" did tell me 500 casts of Cure IV, and 500 casts of warp with the AF2 boots on (+5 conserve mp) vs the same number of casts without them seemed such a negligible difference that I couldn't rationalize to myself why I would get it.

Might wanna fix that?

Sorry Cure III I meant obviously. Its what I get for typing during nidhogg camp.

[Turlos.]

why would someone care for a unique stat if they'll NEVER use it...

you're just packrating and letting items rot

wtf am i gonna do with ethreal earring? leave it in storage until i quit the game?

i've already gotten soooooooooooooooooo much use out of my magnetic that i dont regret ever getting it

tbh, my Suppa sits in my mog house and I only take it out when I go to skill up my club on BLM w/prudence rod. I got it for when I get nin to 37 and WHM to 75. Conversely my Magnetic never leaves my inventory.

I actually almost got Ethereal, but realized that I do have stoneskin up most times and I won't be able to wear HP+ on my ear on BLM without hurting it's usage really, so yeah.

Turlos, that was a good way of testing/thinking, I wouldn't have thought of that, and it's fascinating you didn't see it proc more. Maybe it was just situational though. bleh!

No, I actually had it proc less often with AF2 boots on then without on my Cure tests that I did. Thats why I said my tests probably were not a large enough sample size. But the fact I used more MP with more conserve MP on one of my tests troubled me.

I basically saw it proc anywhere from 7-9% of total mp conservation. Without it, was 7-8%. Once again, I welcome more tests, since more data helps even out irregularities.

[aurik]

I've had apocalypse nigh complete for 3 months and haven't chosen an earring yet.

[Masterofshade]

[quote=Turlos.]

I decided to test out conserve mp with my AF2 blm boots + genie weskit (which would be the same conserve mp as the weskit + a magnetic earring if I wore yigit feet instead).

THe tests that I did, while not entirely scientific enough to be "proof" did tell me 500 casts of Cure IV, and 500 casts of warp with the AF2 boots on (+5 conserve mp) vs the same number of casts without them seemed such a negligible difference that I couldn't rationalize to myself why I would get it.

Might wanna fix that?

Sorry Cure III I meant obviously. Its what I get for typing during nidhogg camp.[/quote:def5d]

Np, just looked goofy.

Yeah Aurik, I also took a while to choose mine. I had Apoc Nigh done when I was around a level 50 WHM. I carefully gauged the stats of the earrings. 5Eva and 5Att? If I need one, I don't need the other. Ethereal? I was tempted to lvl PLD after WHM, so I waited til i was for sure doing SAM. And that Racc one... was actually tempting. Would be nice for THF solo.

But in the end, I look @ magnetic, and knew that I would -never- take it off on my WHM, It would be macroed in for Cures on NIN/WHM and macroed into all my spells on DRK. I just can't see a situational earring benefitting more than a full time wear earring. No matter the stats.

[Septimus]

I stack it with my AF2 boots and Weskit, but it's definitely not "negligible" if you put it all together.

i think they call that the placebo effect

Much like the whole melee maxing out their DD capability thing.

Whatever. The Damage Convert on Etheral is a unique stat.
So is the Enspell Damage on Hollow. How many people are not laughing at others for choosing Hollow?

Unique stat =/= Useful stat.

I got Hollow Earring and I do not regret it.

I have two jobs at 75, RDM and WAR. None of these earrings do much of anything for WAR, so the considerations were all made for RDM.

Static- I cannot even remember the last time I magic bursted.

Etherial- Stoneskin and Phalanx negate the bulk of the usefulness of this earring.

So that left the choice down to Magnetic and Hollow. All reports showed that the Conserve MP from the Magnetic Earring was very weak. So I could get an earring with a weak effect, or get an earring that is a happy plaything. Since neither of them was going to be game-breakingly astonishing for me, I chose the happy plaything. (And it was really fun before the shadow-nerfed en-spells in Excavation Duty.)

[Nerull]

You guys talk about unique stats... "Added damage to Magic Burst" is pretty unique and badass on a earring slot.

How often do you use MB's ??

On most HNM fights...
Number of times I've wished Conserve MP had kicked in? Could count on one hand, mostly cases when I ran out of MP soloing trying to get chain 6-7.

and http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/4398 , those are better for MB's than Zenith+1 fyi. So all it takes is to find out what the MAB on Static Earring is.

Neither AF2 gloves nor Static add to magic attack bonus. lol at how many people like to discuss gear for jobs they don't even play, or know shit about.


Magnetic may be the best choice for someone who plays all different mage jobs often. Best for a hardcore career Black Mage? Not even close. You're telling me you'd give up 5 or 7 Magic Attack Bonus for some +MP that does nothing when you don't rest to full, and some negligible Conserve MP?

[aurik]

[quote=Masterofshade]

I decided to test out conserve mp with my AF2 blm boots + genie weskit (which would be the same conserve mp as the weskit + a magnetic earring if I wore yigit feet instead).

THe tests that I did, while not entirely scientific enough to be "proof" did tell me 500 casts of Cure IV, and 500 casts of warp with the AF2 boots on (+5 conserve mp) vs the same number of casts without them seemed such a negligible difference that I couldn't rationalize to myself why I would get it.

Might wanna fix that?

Sorry Cure III I meant obviously. Its what I get for typing during nidhogg camp.

Np, just looked goofy.

Yeah Aurik, I also took a while to choose mine. I had Apoc Nigh done when I was around a level 50 WHM. I carefully gauged the stats of the earrings. 5Eva and 5Att? If I need one, I don't need the other. Ethereal? I was tempted to lvl PLD after WHM, so I waited til i was for sure doing SAM. And that Racc one... was actually tempting. Would be nice for THF solo.

But in the end, I look @ magnetic, and knew that I would -never- take it off on my WHM, It would be macroed in for Cures on NIN/WHM and macroed into all my spells on DRK. I just can't see a situational earring benefitting more than a full time wear earring. No matter the stats.[/quote:5d26f]

Ethereal earring is great for what it is useful for. Nin/drk @ hnm. Pld. Drg/whm. Basically anyone who gets hit a lot, and either cures themselves or always has someone to cure them. Other than that, it's just an attack earring without -eva, something that most DDs don't care about really. In fact, Ethereal is pre-empted by other good earrings for a lot of the popular merit jobs. Suppa+brutal is a devastating combo.

Now that my BLM is almost 75 I'm thinking of going Magnetic for the extra conserve MP. I'm going to mostly be using my BLM for solo-duo-trio, and no earring will help me recover mp faster than this one, even if the effect is quite small.

[aurik]

"Magnetic may be the best choice for someone who plays all different mage jobs often. Best for a hardcore career Black Mage? Not even close. You're telling me you'd give up 5 or 7 Magic Attack Bonus for some +MP that does nothing when you don't rest to full, and some negligible Conserve MP? "

I wear AF1 gloves, Phantom Earring, and Magnetic in Dynamis. I don't have many merits for BLM yet, and zenith paws makes me die more since I'm the main caller for BLM statues. I do better damage with that combo than I do with my Moldy atm :/ (again, this is just me, and I know people have much different opinions)

I think if i'd be doing HNM again it'd be a lot different, but just for instanced situations on BLM it's pretty nice to stack all the cMP stuff.

but then again, I'm a career SMN who has BLM to 75 because it was her first job, and I do have fun with it in Dynamis.

Aurik: do you have the BLM af2 boots? I'm a weird BLM in that I don't use anything but BLM af2 boots (don't really like Rostrums as much, but I do have a pair) and that I don't have RDM as a sub (whm for ds, erase, etc), I'm meriting enfeebling magic before Elemental ... despite all this I really do like the pairing of af2 + earring.

No af2 boots and my dynamis shell is about 60% black mage, so I'm somewhere like 30th in line for them haha.

I'll be using Yigit Crackows for a long long time.