Smallest amount of people for Jailers?

[Jhun]

We've done Temperance with 1 PT
NIN kiter
BRD WHM RDM healing+refreshing
SMNx2 for dmg
it took us about 1:20~hrs becasue we almost wiped from a Ghrah nearby agro but it's easily doable with this setup.

Also we've done all Ix'aerns with 1 PT maybe 1PT+2people. Ix'aern MNK droped us a deed twice in 2 kills with only 1 organ to trade.
Also if anyone knows, where can I farm H.Q Euvhi organs?? we farmed for about 2 hours yesterday with TH4 and no single drop not even NQ organ

[Russta]

At JLo, breakga was hitting people not even on the hate list.

Love behaves a bit differently and will hit anyone in AoE, hate list or no (like Nidhogg, KB, etc).

Jailer of Faith's breakga and spells do not hit out of alliance.

I don't know when they changed it but they do now.

[inafume]

Also if anyone knows, where can I farm H.Q Euvhi organs?? we farmed for about 2 hours yesterday with TH4 and no single drop not even NQ organ

I assume you were in Garden? Euvhis don't drop HQ organs (not sure on NQs) in Palace. Just like Aerns don't drop HQs in Garden.

[Krandor]

At JLo, breakga was hitting people not even on the hate list.

Love behaves a bit differently and will hit anyone in AoE, hate list or no (like Nidhogg, KB, etc).

Jailer of Faith's breakga and spells do not hit out of alliance.

I don't know when they changed it but they do now.

Really? ._. It was still normal about a month ago, haven't been back there since then. But on a Rostrum run 2 weeks ago Alastor's Breakgas wouldn't hit me outside of ally.

[Jhun]

Also if anyone knows, where can I farm H.Q Euvhi organs?? we farmed for about 2 hours yesterday with TH4 and no single drop not even NQ organ

I assume you were in Garden? Euvhis don't drop HQ organs (not sure on NQs) in Palace. Just like Aerns don't drop HQs in Garden.

So all pop items can be farmed in Huxzoi not Ruhmet? I mean Ghrah M Chips, HQ Aern and Euvhi organs?

[Krandor]

Except he just said that Euvhi drop HQ organs in the Garden and not the Palace

[Verix]

Lowest we've done Jailers with...

Temperance: 4 (pre-gravity resist up patch)
Faith: 6
Fortitude: 8
Justice: 14
Hope: 14
Prudence: 16
Love: 24

You could definitely do Faith/Fort with 6, Temp could be rough since gravity is required to kite him and it builds up resist now. Prudence is definitely the roughest of tier1s/2s, but with a few more people I bet you could do Hope. Justice is a bit tricky with the summons and charm, need at least 2 tanks and a few nukers for the pets.

[epigram]

From the last few faiths I've fought, it seems to follow:

Break-ga for engaged group if target is in maingroup
Break-ga for at least outside group if target is outside.

I'm not entirely sure about the second one, but I never was hit by break-ga until I was the target of the spell, then the out-of-alliance whm and I were petrified.

I don't remember if the main alliance was petrified by that break-ga though.

[Turlos.]

From the last few faiths I've fought, it seems to follow:

Break-ga for engaged group if target is in maingroup
Break-ga for at least outside group if target is outside.

I'm not entirely sure about the second one, but I never was hit by break-ga until I was the target of the spell, then the out-of-alliance whm and I were petrified.

I don't remember if the main alliance was petrified by that break-ga though.

this might be the case then. I don't recall breakga ever hitting anyone outside of the alliance. We have not done Faith in the last two patches though, so something might have changed then.

[SassiAsura]

I've been collecting Ghrah M Chips, I've got 10.
If my LS were to pop JoF I believe we'd have just a bit above 8 people. Do you deal with the lesser ghrahs immediatly or over time? What are things you'd suggest to watch out for? I imagine you had more than one tank and quite a few people? (I hope they weren't all Blm?) ^^;

As a War I imagine I'd find myself more useful on either sub kiting or dealing with the lesser ghrahs?

[inafume]

Also if anyone knows, where can I farm H.Q Euvhi organs?? we farmed for about 2 hours yesterday with TH4 and no single drop not even NQ organ

I assume you were in Garden? Euvhis don't drop HQ organs (not sure on NQs) in Palace. Just like Aerns don't drop HQs in Garden.

So all pop items can be farmed in Huxzoi not Ruhmet? I mean Ghrah M Chips, HQ Aern and Euvhi organs?

HQ Aern organs only drop from Aerns in Grand Palace of Hu'Xzoi.

HQ Euvhi organs only drop from Euvhis in Garden of Ru'Hmet.

Ghrah M Chips drop from Ghrahs in either Palace or Garden.

[Kaeko]

Ix'MNK is definately soloable if you use single organ to pop. I did this last week as BLM/RDM using only a reraise hairpin and 3 yag drinks. I'm positive a RDM could do this much easier. Took about 35 minutes.

Basic idea is run the MNK to the ebon panel room and die. Everything not the NM should despawn and you can take Ix'MNK solo. Then it was just Poison II (lands easily even on BLM), Bio II, and occassionally drain. Gaiters helped alot as well.

3-organ pop can be duoed pretty easily as well. It's the same deal except for a more complicated pull. One guy pops it and run back to the room. The other person diagas the 2 Qn'aerns and runs for the warp portal (or finds a seperate place to die). Once the NMs seperate, it's just duoing Ix'MNK in the ebon panel room. I think the 2 people need to be in seperate parties on the pull or party aggro issues occur. It's probably possible to Solo a 3-organ pop if you can seperate the NMs. Since the 2 Qn'aerns are casters, it's possible the MNK just seperates on it's own, but I haven't tried it yet.

[Jhun]

Also if anyone knows, where can I farm H.Q Euvhi organs?? we farmed for about 2 hours yesterday with TH4 and no single drop not even NQ organ

I assume you were in Garden? Euvhis don't drop HQ organs (not sure on NQs) in Palace. Just like Aerns don't drop HQs in Garden.

So all pop items can be farmed in Huxzoi not Ruhmet? I mean Ghrah M Chips, HQ Aern and Euvhi organs?

HQ Aern organs only drop from Aerns in Grand Palace of Hu'Xzoi.

HQ Euvhi organs only drop from Euvhis in Garden of Ru'Hmet.

Ghrah M Chips drop from Ghrahs in either Palace or Garden.

Thx.
But still the HQ euvhis are rare

[Kyomu]

Thank you everyone who had input on this. Gonna work on getting some more BLM's (my own BLM is 60, and I know other WHM's that can take my place when I get it up there so that's one solution) and support jobs. Third time through all CoP missions GO ><

The differing opinions on if Faith's Breakga hits out of alliance kinda worries me though, but I'm assuming the only way to find that out is to give it a shot. That was the one I was looking towards doing, because a couple of our MNK's were looking at Faith Baghnaks for toys.

Thanks again, I knew I was asking in the right place.

[Turlos.]

Also if anyone knows, where can I farm H.Q Euvhi organs?? we farmed for about 2 hours yesterday with TH4 and no single drop not even NQ organ

I assume you were in Garden? Euvhis don't drop HQ organs (not sure on NQs) in Palace. Just like Aerns don't drop HQs in Garden.

So all pop items can be farmed in Huxzoi not Ruhmet? I mean Ghrah M Chips, HQ Aern and Euvhi organs?

HQ Aern organs only drop from Aerns in Grand Palace of Hu'Xzoi.

HQ Euvhi organs only drop from Euvhis in Garden of Ru'Hmet.

Ghrah M Chips drop from Ghrahs in either Palace or Garden.

Thx.
But still the HQ euvhis are rare

i have roughly 13 of them on a mule =\

you will easily get 2 - 5 of them for every NQ Euvhi organ you get trying to help people get their earring I find.

[phlux]

The differing opinions on if Faith's Breakga hits out of alliance kinda worries me though, but I'm assuming the only way to find that out is to give it a shot. That was the one I was looking towards doing, because a couple of our MNK's were looking at Faith Baghnaks for toys.

As epigram mentioned, Faith's breakga does not hit out of alliance. It does, however, hit everyone in alliance with the target. I often have the role of refreshing our out-of-alliance WHM, and have pulled hate with cures several times and the two of us have got stoned while everyone around (i.e., main alliance) has not.

A very good idea for Faith (and some other NMs, like the KS99 Behemoth) is to have one person using /assist on the NM and calling out the target so that you'll know who hate is on.

Send me a tell if you have other sea questions :D

[GanondorfLeviathan]

I fought Fortitude once and the strat was just leave everything alive and blink the reflected spells >.> fight was over in 10 minutes with the only deaths being the blm that got unlucky with blink lol other than that no problems. Was a very fun fight ^^;; hope to do it again soon with my own shell, provided pop in exchange for weapon.

Ganon

[Turlos.]

I fought Fortitude once and the strat was just leave everything alive and blink the reflected spells >.> fight was over in 10 minutes with the only deaths being the blm that got unlucky with blink lol other than that no problems. Was a very fun fight ^^;; hope to do it again soon with my own shell, provided pop in exchange for weapon.

Ganon

If your blms do fortitude as blm/nin, they won't ever have the problem of being unlucky with blink. The only problem you will have then is when randomly one of the pets will come after you, and then you just kite till its bored and goes elsewhere.

[Russta]

The differing opinions on if Faith's Breakga hits out of alliance kinda worries me though, but I'm assuming the only way to find that out is to give it a shot. That was the one I was looking towards doing, because a couple of our MNK's were looking at Faith Baghnaks for toys.

As epigram mentioned, Faith's breakga does not hit out of alliance. It does, however, hit everyone in alliance with the target. I often have the role of refreshing our out-of-alliance WHM, and have pulled hate with cures several times and the two of us have got stoned while everyone around (i.e., main alliance) has not.

Thanks for that information. We did three Faith's shortly after I posted what I did (3/3 Virtue ) and I was trying to pay attention to what was going on with Breakga to people outside the alliance but it's kinda rough as only tank.

[Byrd]

If my LS were to pop JoF I believe we'd have just a bit above 8 people. Do you deal with the lesser ghrahs immediatly or over time? What are things you'd suggest to watch out for? I imagine you had more than one tank and quite a few people? (I hope they weren't all Blm?) ^^;

Recent topic on JoFort:

http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewto ... +fortitude

Ghrah M Chips drop from Ghrahs in either Palace or Garden.

While I'm sure they do drop in the Garden, in the time we farmed 15 Euvhi organs (and probably 30 HQ Euvhi organs), we got 0 Grah M Chips in the Garden of Ru'Hmet.

Contrarily, last night, we got 8 Grah M Chips in 2 1/2 hours killing grah on the entry floor of the Grand Palace. (and none on the lower level). If you want Grah chips, my recommendation is to kill grah there.