Smallest amount of people for Jailers?

[NEmINIS]

Breakga from faith defenetly does not hit outside alliance people.
Did him bout a week ago.

I have a question to people who soloed duod ix'mnk..
how do u manage not get hit by it?
we trained it to panel room but it still always kept up with our crimson pld.
I mean we easy kill it with a party but i wanna know how to solo/duo it.

Ix'drg is too weak solo or duo since u can use the teles to dot it to death.

thx for answers (=

[Suiram]

Though it was a number of months ago, I duoed MNK 5-6 times and soloed it once. Duos were usually blm/nin + blm/rdm, and the solo was on blm/nin. Both of us have gaiters, and Ix'aern MNK ran at normal speed, so it was not difficult to put distance between ourselves and it.

Someone in my LS said the other day that he felt Ix'aern MNK would catch up to him in gaiters the last time our LS popped it (3-organ pop), so it's possible they changed his movement speed at some point (it's been 2 or 3 major updates since the last time I attempted solo/duo). Another possibility is that 3-organ MNK is faster than 1-organ MNK (all of my duos and solo were with 1-organ pop). Or perhaps he and your PLD are simply wrong?

Btw, none of the solo/duo attempts yielded a deed or a vice; didn't seem worth it unless you have some way to do a 3-organ pop, or a lot of free time and luck.

[NEmINIS]

Well as i said our crimson pld didnt seem to run away from it thats why im always astonished to read about people soloing /duoing it...
can anyone confirm this? or did i just have the wrong impression?

and well we pop always just 1 organ.. are 2/3 on the deed.

[Alibeemac]

I'd just like to point out that prudances second mob can be kited rather easily.

All it takes is Wlegs, Nin AF boots or even Mazurka, which turns the second mob from shen into a baby kirin >_>.

We don't kite Prudence. 2 PLDs hold the Prudences together with WHMs and RDMs spam curing them and a mass of BLMs aoe nuke the crap out of both of them to about 5% then stop damage and focus on one, kill it, then kill off the 2nd. We've done it flawlessly and also messily. Just make sure your whms aren't afk on pop lol like happened to us once. >.>

[tyraravenlocke]

Our main RDM soloed the mnk to about 78% with just dot while the rest of our guys were killing the other nm's and dealing with other stuff.

Didn't really take him very long, and he never got hit even once.

Mind you he does have fast pants.. but even still.

[NynJa]

I'd just like to point out that prudances second mob can be kited rather easily.

All it takes is Wlegs, Nin AF boots or even Mazurka, which turns the second mob from shen into a baby kirin >_>.

We don't kite Prudence. 2 PLDs hold the Prudences together with WHMs and RDMs spam curing them and a mass of BLMs aoe nuke the crap out of both of them to about 5% then stop damage and focus on one, kill it, then kill off the 2nd. We've done it flawlessly and also messily. Just make sure your whms aren't afk on pop lol like happened to us once. >.>

may I ask how you deal with the TP shared Sinuate Rush x2 ??

one Sinuate rush does somewhere between 500-800 dmg, so how do you deal with two (not to mention the stun effect) ??

[Daahan]

I'd just like to point out that prudances second mob can be kited rather easily.

All it takes is Wlegs, Nin AF boots or even Mazurka, which turns the second mob from shen into a baby kirin >_>.

We don't kite Prudence. 2 PLDs hold the Prudences together with WHMs and RDMs spam curing them and a mass of BLMs aoe nuke the crap out of both of them to about 5% then stop damage and focus on one, kill it, then kill off the 2nd. We've done it flawlessly and also messily. Just make sure your whms aren't afk on pop lol like happened to us once. >.>

may I ask how you deal with the TP shared Sinuate Rush x2 ??

one Sinuate rush does somewhere between 500-800 dmg, so how do you deal with two (not to mention the stun effect) ??

and the inevitable, multiple hate resets?

[Sylvrdragon]

I think its about time I solo me up a Merciful cape...

If you could put up with hours of sleep/nuking Aerns to pop him, I have absolutely no doubt that Ix'Drk could be soloed the same exact way, especially since the Qn'Rngs have such stupid long range, by the time you get to the kiting room, they will be FAR out of linking range with Ix'Drk. From there you just don't get hit with Bloodweapon or a bunch of melee hits and you're fine.

[RKenshin]

I'd just like to point out that prudances second mob can be kited rather easily.

All it takes is Wlegs, Nin AF boots or even Mazurka, which turns the second mob from shen into a baby kirin >_>.

We don't kite Prudence. 2 PLDs hold the Prudences together with WHMs and RDMs spam curing them and a mass of BLMs aoe nuke the crap out of both of them to about 5% then stop damage and focus on one, kill it, then kill off the 2nd. We've done it flawlessly and also messily. Just make sure your whms aren't afk on pop lol like happened to us once. >.>

may I ask how you deal with the TP shared Sinuate Rush x2 ??

one Sinuate rush does somewhere between 500-800 dmg, so how do you deal with two (not to mention the stun effect) ??

We don't usually kite either of them anymore now as well, every time we tried it we ended up just straight tanking it anyway. For the most part as long as everyone uses common sense it goes just about as smooth as it gets for a fight against Prudence.

No matter what you do it gets messy sometimes, but 1-3 tanks holding them in place with support and damage a good distance away usually works fine. Sunate Rush usually will just hit tanks this way, and it doesn't hit them very hard with melee or TP attacks.

Every time we've tried to kite it though it ends up just warping away from the kiter and either going after a DD or the other tank (who never touched the mob or the kiter).. Pretty sure that the hate on those two are linked to an extent somehow. Or maybe just some crazy bad luck? /shrug

And I've never seen them use a hate reset TP attack, and I've tanked at least 6 or so rounds of them by now. What TP attack do you mean Daahan?

[DrObvious]

Sounds like he's talking about it warping and losing hate, that's the only time it does so.

[RKenshin]

I don't really remember it completely losing hate after warping around either... If anything it might shed some hate, but definately doesn't completely lose it.

[Suiram]

Pretty sure there's no hate-reset either, just what I guess you would call 'hate restructuring'?w Like if you have X hate from Prudence 1, and Y hate from Prudence 2, then every time they PD and warp you have X+Y or (X+Y)/2 from both of them equally, and then it's independant again until the next time they use Perfect Dodge. That's how it appears to me anyway.

[RKenshin]

Sounds right to me too, probably is something like that.

Knowing SE it's probably overly complicated for no reason anyway.

[Kaylia]

Could probably do temperance without trouble with something like 2 war/nin 2 rdm, 1 whm. Kite in blunt mode, do what you want for piercing if you have joyeuse/dagger/polearm leveled and straigth tank on slashing. Well, any setup could work, but 2 gravity wouldnt hurt, and war/nin is good for trading hate when you kite.

I've done it easily with 3 war/nin, 1rdm, 2whm (one war was two boxing a whm) and 1 blm.

[Daahan]

I don't really remember it completely losing hate after warping around either... If anything it might shed some hate, but definately doesn't completely lose it.

That's what I'm talking about. From my experience, when it warps around it goes after whoever the fuck it wants.

[Kuropiko]

Yeah Prudence has some weird stuff with hate. On our last pop, i was kiting around the second one and after simultaneously using Perfect Dodge, mine just warped and went on the other tank than did nothing to it, and then i had to Provoke and Flash 3 f'ing times to get it back on me.

Maybe they just have something like... When warping or using Perfect Dodge they just instantly gain the same level of hate over the person that has the highest hate on one of them around, hence the other PLD gaining high hate on my Prudence and my hate completely being shed.

[Turlos.]

For people talking about Prudence warping around alot randomly when kiting one, I have a question.

We've done nearly 30+ Prudence fights thanks to it having the worst virtue drop rate in the history of time. We haven't done any however in the last 2 patches or so (we had a few 6th virtues stored up), but we have roughly 4 or 5 prudence popsets saved for the near future.

Our first 5-8 kills were all adventurous since Prudence was new, and we ran into all kinds of bugs with it disappearing or whatever. We finally got a decent system down where we straight tank one and kite the other away until the first dies.

In the last 15-20 kills I don't recall any time when the one that was kited away suddenly warped back to the other prudence and caused alot of havoc.. As far as I am aware it never happened once. Is this behavior something people have been seeing only recently? Or are people kiting one differently than how we do it to cause it due to some proximity?

[Suiram]

With Prudence warping you're dealing with 2 different elements of his AI that work together. One is the 'hate restructuring' each Perfect Dodge that I referred to a few posts above. The other is the rule that says "during Perfect Dodge, disappear and warp next to the person with the most hate if they are not in melee range". This is why it seems to warp to random people, because the hate list is dramatically altered at the same time that the rule to warp around takes effect. This is also the reason why in some circumstances it won't warp at all; it all depends on who has hate and how close they are to them.

[Turlos.]

I guess what I am asking though is, it seems alot of people talk about the kited prudence warping back to the main group and thus suddenly having 2 prudences on the main tank. Which is something I don't recall ever seeing before in many many kills.

I'm wondering if this is either new behavior, or if people kite him differently than we do, and its based on some proximity coding. (ie: if the kited prudence is far enough away, he won't warp back to the main group)

[Jeryhn]

may I ask how you deal with the TP shared Sinuate Rush x2 ??

Bio 2 (or 3, if you have a quirky RDM who capped it out).