Rangers, Rapid Shot

[Hyjynx]

Behemoth and Fafnir were around before you or before you heard of loldrk.

lol every time I bother to reply on BG, it seems that I spend all day trying to explain my point because 20 people in a row wont get it.

My point simply put is that you cannot blame BG, and BG alone, for the negative stigma attatched to DRK. Maybe the actual term lol<insert job> was started on bg, but that term is only a name given to an idea that's existed long before BG I'm sure... which was the point of my original reply

lol and that's not the popular opinion everywhere else? KI and Zam have a different opinion?

As you can see, I was not referring specifcally to the "loljob" joke but the idea behind the joke... I.E. "DRKs suck."

As far back as I can remember, (and this is my personal experience playing the game from just after PC release.) People have always hated inviting DRKs to their parties and have always made derogatory DRK jokes.

[*Shinzon*]

ACtually on mobs like Kirin, He'll actually out parse everyone else, usually it goes him > samurai > BLM > Everything else. You're DoT damage doesnt need to be high when you're weapon skills are doing so much more. Its a balance, and people aren't used to being balanced. If every shot isnt 500 damage people aren't pleased. Its the same with Samurai, DoT on endgame mobs is based on weaponskills not phyiscal hits for the most part. In EXP yeah mnks and wars with ridills may outparse you but its still not a nerf.

[layoneil]

As far back as I can remember, (and this is my personal experience playing the game from just after PC release.) People have always hated inviting DRKs to their parties and have always made derogatory DRK jokes.

than your memory sucks. when i started during the first Christmas after NA Release DRK was the DD job.

NAs couldn't afford to level RNG. MNK was LOL, WAR was a SJ, THF got nerfed because they can't Trick from the side. SAM was cool for WS but DRK and DRG was were it was at for DD.

than Penta got nerfed so lolDRG and for a short time it was all about DRKs up until when people started making enough gil to level RNG.

[Jaffar]

ACtually on mobs like Kirin, He'll actually out parse everyone else, usually it goes him > samurai > BLM > Everything else. You're DoT damage doesnt need to be high when you're weapon skills are doing so much more. Its a balance, and people aren't used to being balanced. If every shot isnt 500 damage people aren't pleased. Its the same with Samurai, DoT on endgame mobs is based on weaponskills not phyiscal hits for the most part. In EXP yeah mnks and wars with ridills may outparse you but its still not a nerf.

If you're kiting, obviously RNG will be up at the top... but I think BTL's TP burn Kirin shows that the kings of xp can also tear up HNM in the same mannor. Less damage than before = nerf, its not rocket science.

[*Shinzon*]

In that sense yes, it would be true. However you can't zerg every HNM, exp style without considerable consequences. One of the reasons that zerg worked was because they actually interupted Kirin's casting of stonega, which would have ended that melee zerg pretty fast.

Its still pretty situational, but I'll still stand by the fact that it wasnt a nerf in the sense that they crippled the job.

[Falaras]

If your gathered around it mellee burn style you can eat stonega's with ease. I'm guessing that one sidewinder on Kirin was with Flashy Shot? Minuetx2? I have never seen a ranger that can pull those numbers every WS on Kirin. Hell alot of them say doing 1000-1100 is top

[Lordwafik]

As far back as I can remember, (and this is my personal experience playing the game from just after PC release.) People have always hated inviting DRKs to their parties and have always made derogatory DRK jokes.

than your memory sucks. when i started during the first Christmas after NA Release DRK was the DD job.

NAs couldn't afford to level RNG. MNK was LOL, WAR was a SJ, THF got nerfed because they can't Trick from the side. SAM was cool for WS but DRK and DRG was were it was at for DD.

than Penta got nerfed so lolDRG and for a short time it was all about DRKs up until when people started making enough gil to level RNG.

And the only skillchain was Distortion! If you were not capable of distortion, prepare to lfg for eternity (poor oldschool monks).

[Demosthenes11]

In that sense yes, it would be true. However you can't zerg every HNM, exp style without considerable consequences. One of the reasons that zerg worked was because they actually interupted Kirin's casting of stonega, which would have ended that melee zerg pretty fast.

Its still pretty situational, but I'll still stand by the fact that it wasnt a nerf in the sense that they crippled the job.

have you ever melee burned Kirin? A stonega IV to the face hits everyone for like 400-500 damage...not a big deal

[TsingTao]

And the only skillchain was Distortion! If you were not capable of distortion, prepare to lfg for eternity (poor oldschool monks).

Damnit Wafik, my therapist had almost worked me through that trauma. Way to bring back the painful memories.

[Hyjynx]

As far back as I can remember, (and this is my personal experience playing the game from just after PC release.) People have always hated inviting DRKs to their parties and have always made derogatory DRK jokes.

than your memory sucks. when i started during the first Christmas after NA Release DRK was the DD job.

NAs couldn't afford to level RNG. MNK was LOL, WAR was a SJ, THF got nerfed because they can't Trick from the side. SAM was cool for WS but DRK and DRG was were it was at for DD.

than Penta got nerfed so lolDRG and for a short time it was all about DRKs up until when people started making enough gil to level RNG.

Actually people did feel that way at first, in my experience. However, that didnt last long past the 40s. After that it was all about rng. You weren't a DD unless you were a RNG.

By the time I was 60, DRK had become lol as far as xp parties went... in fact even WAR was a "shitty" job back then.

I remember vividly because I was semi-staticed with with a drk from 55-65ish and he constantly bitched about not getting any invites and how people gave Drk no respect ect ect. (The rest of the "static" ended up lvling on their own ahead of the DRK and he ended up quitting the game.)

... even before that though, the first job we ever made fun of was DRK. We used to make fun of all the people who had some random generic gothic soudning name or had some variant of xxsephirothxx and picked a white haired elf just so they could fit their idea of the "DRK" persona... and the population of taru DRK/BLMs that used to swear up and down that /BLM was the best sub for DRK.
This was all around my first time going through the jungles as a n00b MNK around the early part of the first January after NA PC release.


Anyway I'm done with my personal derailment...

RNG doesnt "suck" but it's not as damaging as it was pre-nerf... same old song and dance... yada yada.
Carry on.

[Not Kuno]

As far back as I can remember, (and this is my personal experience playing the game from just after PC release.) People have always hated inviting DRKs to their parties and have always made derogatory DRK jokes.

than your memory sucks. when i started during the first Christmas after NA Release DRK was the DD job.

NAs couldn't afford to level RNG. MNK was LOL, WAR was a SJ, THF got nerfed because they can't Trick from the side. SAM was cool for WS but DRK and DRG was were it was at for DD.

than Penta got nerfed so lolDRG and for a short time it was all about DRKs up until when people started making enough gil to level RNG.

Actually people did feel that way at first, in my experience. However, that didnt last long past the 40s. After that it was all about rng. You weren't a DD unless you were a RNG.

By the time I was 60, DRK had become lol as far as xp parties went... in fact even WAR was a "shitty" job back then.

I remember vividly because I was semi-staticed with with a drk from 55-65ish and he constantly bitched about not getting any invites and how people gave Drk no respect ect ect.

... even before that though, the first job we ever made fun of was DRK. We used to make fun of all the people who had some random generic gothic soudning name or had some variant of xxsephirothxx and picked a white haired elf... and the population of taru DRK/BLMs that used to swear up and down that /BLM was the best sub for DRK.
This was all around my first time going through the jungles and a n00b MNK around the early part of the first January after NA PC release.


Anyway I'm done with my personal derailment...

RNG doesnt "suck" but it's not as damaging as it was pre-nerf... same old song and dance... yada yada.
Carry on.

You must not be an old player then. NOBODY touched rng for a very long time.

[Falaras]

RNG doesnt "suck" but it's not as damaging as it was pre-nerf... same old song and dance... yada yada.
Carry on.

Of course ranger doesn't suck but saying it isn't gimped is stupid.

[Hyjynx]

Like I said Kuno, I started just after NA release.

RNG was actually my first advanced job and also my first job to 45. It got too expensive for me though and I got annoyed having to constantly shoot arrows.

/lazyfatfingers


[edit]

Of course ranger doesn't suck but saying it isn't gimped is stupid.

lol I dunno if I would consider rng "gimped" either. I think they just forced RNG to actually have to compete with the other melee jobs.
I do think they should reduce the severity of the "nerf" though. Mainly the "sweet spot" nerf. I didn't mind rngs being xp/merit powerhouses. Sitting on the sidelines while 10 rngs assaulted Kirin did get a bit frustrating though. I think the damage balance (vs very strong mobs) was more than enough to do to rngs.

[Falaras]

What they should do is just make Haste affect ranged attacks, that would put it on par with most jobs out there. Or small updates like stronger bows or 100% Crits would help.

[Lordwafik]

You must not be an old player then. NOBODY touched rng for a very long time.

Dunno bout Bahamut, but on asura's early years, there were a fuckton of shitty Rangers who were all elvaan, and had names like :

Legolas
Legalas
Legalus
Logolas
XLegolasx

etc

Your typical "I use wooden arrows to 75" kind of ranger. None of the sexy kind of rng we had a while back.

[Hyjynx]

Legolas
Legalas
Legalus
Logolas
XLegolasx

We had our share of those too >_>;; Though it wasnt long till RNG became Mithra onry and people were saying "Elvaans make sucky rangers"... which pretty much ruined their world.
We do have an original Legolas running around on Seraph still though...

What they should do is just make Haste affect ranged attacks, that would put it on par with most jobs out there. Or small updates like stronger bows or 100% Crits would help.

I agree with you, it is silly that rangers can't benefit from haste the way other jobs do.

[Mephisto]

You must not be an old player then. NOBODY touched rng for a very long time.

The wave of DRG gone RNGs that hit sometime during mid 2004 D;

[Semitry]

RNG KC parses

http://semi.all-manga.net/03-04-2006.html

Taimoor - Ridill/joy/maneater, full armada minus body (geon +1), hecta for WS blah blah, almost full merited (atrributes?)...
Corwen - Kraken, fully merited marksmanship, rajas, snipers HQ, charm, life belt, war gloves, sky gear blah blah
Semitry - Kraken club, with the only acc gear being optical hat, snipers ring HQ x 2, and peacock charm, with 3 club/marksmanship merits, + some enmity (nin)

Demons in the range

http://semi.all-manga.net/03-07-2006.html

Taimoor - Ridill/joy/maneater, full armada minus body (geon +1), hecta for WS blah blah, almost full merited (atrributes?)...
Dannte - Ridill/joy/maneater, full adaman/hecta fully merited...
Semitry - Kraken club, with the only acc gear being optical hat, snipers ring HQ x 2, and peacock charm, with 3 club/marksmanship merits, + some enmity (nin)
Truffle - tanking nin left early
kazumon - tanking nin

Off Demons in the range and this is considered a bad parse since I had way too many arrow shields.


http://semi.all-manga.net/07-18-2006.html

Ladydeathstrike- nin/war
Seany - mnk/nin - pimp/merited monk minus black belt.
dedaj - nin/war - pimp nin

Thickets


From Corwen

"

Bhaflau Thickets - Puks + Mamool Jas

semi.all-manga.net/04-25-2006.html

Krenna: NIN/WAR
Corwen: RNG/NIN
Taekichi: WHM/???
Sapphiresiren: BRD/WHM
Codernaut: NIN/WAR
Supavash: WAR/NIN - Juggernaut/Ridill, Adaman Hauberk


Please note that Supavash was not here for the first 24 fights as reflected
in his total damage, however if you look at the average damage per fight, I
averaged 1485 damage per fight to his 1270.

I was hasted on a regular basis this fight, and was wearing 9% in haste
between haidate and swift belt, so was Supavash.

5-2 Mount Zaoyhlm (sp?) - Trolls

http://semi.all-manga.net/05-02-2006.html


Merril : MNK/NIN
Supavash : WAR/NIN
Corwen: RNG/NIN
Ixon - disregard, I was his replacement for this party
Minimort - MNK/NIN
Kainstryder - WHM/BLM
Sapphiresiren - BRD/NIN (accidentally edited her stats out instead of
Ixon's)

I was NOT hasted on a regular basis, I only recall receiving haste twice
throughout the night, Supavash however was hasted on a regular basis.
Kainstryder lacked a nobles tunic or other form of refresh equipment and
therefore had less of an MP pool to work with and he decided to skip me in
the haste order. As you can see here, my average damage was 1360 compared
to Supavash's 1495. The disadvantage of not being hasted along with my lack
of a piercing bonus on trolls as compared to Puks was what made the
difference. I do feel that if i had received haste on a regular basis that
this would have made up the difference in average damage.
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[superfob]

Well I started at NA release, and from what I saw was RNG was only for the rich, but presushi and after TP nerf, it was loldrk, loldrg. Early 2004 is when RNG fad came about (hi2u fish botting) as well as NIN tanking. Sushi brought about our current DOT jobs (atk gear setup) - NIN, WAR, MNK.

So basically it was loldrk and loldrg ever since the TP nerf. Sushi helped a little bit, but the /NIN fad put them back down.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Well I started at NA release, and from what I saw was RNG was only for the rich, but presushi and after TP nerf, it was loldrk, loldrg. Early 2004 is when RNG fad came about (hi2u fish botting) as well as NIN tanking. Sushi brought about our current DOT jobs (atk gear setup) - NIN, WAR, MNK.

So basically it was loldrk and loldrg ever since the TP nerf. Sushi helped a little bit, but the /NIN fad put them back down.

You really dont remember the Spinning Slash fad?