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[divisortheory]

There are so many more useful things you can do with gil, time, and resources in game than a relic weapon.

Like what? Buy a Haubergeon +1 instead of a Haubergeon, so you can have an extra STR+1, DEX+1, Acc+2, Att+2?

Buy an extra Kraken club so your LS DRKs can ass rape HNM.

But if you personally already have a Kraken Club, then you're gold, and you can use your money for relic while the LS uses its money for whatever it wants.

[Eternus]

Seriously do something that benefits the entire LS. Bravura sucks ass, get a Ridill and Maneater. GKT is better than Hagun but not by much on HNM. H2H aren't worlds better than Destroyers. Scythe doesn't improve Spiral Hell by more than 500 damage its not worth it. GS is a joke period just by the supposed WS modifier and the fact it is a GS lol.

None of those are by a big enough margin to justify the insanity that is a relic upgrade. Kraken club in the hands of a DRK is more devastating than all of those relic weapons.

[Eternus]

But if you personally already have a Kraken Club, then you're gold, and you can use your money for relic while the LS uses its money for whatever it wants.

No you can get a second Kraken moron, hence why I said another. That way you can have 2 DRKs going off instead of passing the club from one dead DRK to another. Speed belts, HQ cursed pieces for abjurations, etc are all much bigger game changers than a relic and alot cheaper to boot.

[½pint]

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[Lithiani]

Who cares? If "it's not worth doing XXX" is your criteria, then quit the game and go do something worthwhile like saving starving children in Africa, because the last time I checked, FFXI was an enormous waste of time and effort.

The point of doing a relic weapon upgrade is to have a fucking relic weapon.

[Mifaco]

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Better one is inviting them to PT, and then go "hey a war logged on, i'm replacing you bye"

lol@your avatar and sig btw

[Eternus]

Who cares? If "it's not worth doing XXX" is your criteria, then quit the game and go do something worthwhile like saving starving children in Africa, because the last time I checked, FFXI was an enormous waste of time and effort.

The point of doing a relic weapon upgrade is to have a fucking relic weapon.

too bad they are rare/ex and only benefit one person lol

Nah some things are more of a waste of time and effort than others. Relic weapons are the biggest waste of time in the entire game.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Seriously do something that benefits the entire LS. Bravura sucks ass, get a Ridill and Maneater. GKT is better than Hagun but not by much on HNM. H2H aren't worlds better than Destroyers. Scythe doesn't improve Spiral Hell by more than 500 damage its not worth it. GS is a joke period just by the supposed WS modifier and the fact it is a GS lol.

None of those are by a big enough margin to justify the insanity that is a relic upgrade. Kraken club in the hands of a DRK is more devastating than all of those relic weapons.

1/5 minutes (fully merited) yeah. Scythe (the one I have experience with) does improve damage a shitton, why? Because the WS fucking rocks. It does a bit more than spinning slash damage and hastes the DRK. All at 100 tp. Basically, instead of waiting for 300 to spiral hell you let the relic do its work 3x quicker, plus greatly enhanced DoT due to acc+ allowing more attack gear and the WS's additional haste effect. Obviously if you have a kclub the souleater enhancements don't matter, but its still a damned hot scythe.

From my experience with the scythe I am sure the Polearm (and possibly Bravura and GSwd) has similar potential as well as the 1h ones.

[Lithiani]

Who cares? If "it's not worth doing XXX" is your criteria, then quit the game and go do something worthwhile like saving starving children in Africa, because the last time I checked, FFXI was an enormous waste of time and effort.

The point of doing a relic weapon upgrade is to have a fucking relic weapon.

too bad they are rare/ex and only benefit one person lol

Nah some things are more of a waste of time and effort than others. Relic weapons are the biggest waste of time in the entire game.

You hear that whooshing noise? That's the sound of the point going over your head.

Relic Weapon quests are like climbing mountains. Why do it? Because it's there to be done. You don't need a reason, it's a goal, not a requirement.

[divisortheory]

But if you personally already have a Kraken Club, then you're gold, and you can use your money for relic while the LS uses its money for whatever it wants.

No you can get a second Kraken moron, hence why I said another. That way you can have 2 DRKs going off instead of passing the club from one dead DRK to another. Speed belts, HQ cursed pieces for abjurations, etc are all much bigger game changers than a relic and alot cheaper to boot.

So now regular LS members should buy Krakens for other people in their LS? Fuck that. People earn money to spend it on themselves. If you want an LS fund to buy krakens then great. But when you're sittigna round with 600 million gil in your own personal bank, I seriously doubt that you're thinking "Lemme buy 5 krakens and give them to people in the shell out of the goodness of my heart".

[Eternus]

You hear that whooshing noise? That's the sound of the point going over your head.

Relic Weapon quests are like climbing mountains. Why do it? Because it's there to be done. You don't need a reason, it's a goal, not a requirement.

Nope climbing a mountain is more like killing every mob in the game (AV, Kings, Kirin, Hydra, Bahamutv2, Cerberus, CoP Wyrms, etc.) Relic weapon is a singular goal of one player with entirely selfish intentions usually. You have no point other than fufilling a quest to enhance your Epeen only by marginal standards instead of benefiting the LS as a whole.

[NynJa]

Seriously do something that benefits the entire LS. Bravura sucks ass, get a Ridill and Maneater. GKT is better than Hagun but not by much on HNM. H2H aren't worlds better than Destroyers. Scythe doesn't improve Spiral Hell by more than 500 damage its not worth it. GS is a joke period just by the supposed WS modifier and the fact it is a GS lol.

None of those are by a big enough margin to justify the insanity that is a relic upgrade. Kraken club in the hands of a DRK is more devastating than all of those relic weapons.

wow elitist...

I bet you wear velcrow shoes too, because laces take more effort and more time to accomplish the same end result.

[Eternus]

So now regular LS members should buy Krakens for other people in their LS? Fuck that. People earn money to spend it on themselves. If you want an LS fund to buy krakens then great. But when you're sittigna round with 600 million gil in your own personal bank, I seriously doubt that you're thinking "Lemme buy 5 krakens and give them to people in the shell out of the goodness of my heart".

LOL the shell farms the relic currency that could be used to buy the Kraken Clubs. Most relics are done with a shitload of work by the entire LS. That work is all for naught alot of the time with a marginal upgrade to the weapon the user already had. When I see relics do what 2 DRK with Krakens can do with a HNM, then they will be worth a damn. Shield and Horn notwithstanding for tanking purposes maybe.

If you have 600 mil on you, then you cheated like a motherfucker to get it. You can spend the 600 mil you made from fishbotting to PL your crafting skill or however the majority of private relic funded cheaters financed their way through a relic upgrade. I hope people who do it that way never get an attestation, let alone a fragment. Not saying you are one of those people, but yeah. Spend your gil however you want, but a LS is dumb as fuck to support most relics.

[divisortheory]

What is your motivation behind wishing to "benefit the LS as a whole"? Is it so your LS can kill stronger mobs more easily, which in turn provides you easier and more frequent chances to obtain the items that these mobs drop? If so, then you already have selfish intentions and as such are in no position to talk about people who wish to upgrade relic weapons. If not, then quit playing because you obviously have nothing else to gain from the game.

[NynJa]

So now regular LS members should buy Krakens for other people in their LS? Fuck that. People earn money to spend it on themselves. If you want an LS fund to buy krakens then great. But when you're sittigna round with 600 million gil in your own personal bank, I seriously doubt that you're thinking "Lemme buy 5 krakens and give them to people in the shell out of the goodness of my heart".

LOL the shell farms the relic currency that could be used to buy the Kraken Clubs. Most relics are done with a shitload of work by the entire LS. That work is all for naught alot of the time with a marginal upgrade to the weapon the user already had. When I see relics do what 2 DRK with Krakens can do with a HNM, then they will be worth a damn. Shield and Horn notwithstanding for tanking purposes maybe.

If you have 600 mil on you, then you cheated like a motherfucker to get it. You can spend the 600 mil you made from fishbotting to PL your crafting skill or however the majority of private relic funded cheaters financed their way through a relic upgrade. I hope people who do it that way never get an attestation, let alone a fragment. Not saying you are one of those people, but yeah. Spend your gil however you want, but a LS is dumb as fuck to support most relics.

I find it funny how someone who talks as much shit as you do only has 1 75, and its fucking bard no less...

[FFXIFlux]

LOL the shell farms the relic currency that could be used to buy the Kraken Clubs.

And then the person with the club "lends" it to someone else who won't give it back, and coincidentaly they're walking around with 100M gil more gear.

[Eternus]

wow elitist...

I bet you wear velcrow shoes too, because laces take more effort and more time to accomplish the same end result.

No I wear regular dress shoes to work because shit like that (Velcro lol) isn't respectable in my workplace. I do what is required at my job, I am not a lazy bitch who wears Velcro shoes.

Bring what is most efficient to the job and what works best or go the fuck home. When your relic closes a darkness SC for more than a DRK with no relic and 300 TP Spiral Hell can.. lolololol. That same DRK can equip a Kraken that costs a fraction of your relic and assrape a HNM worse than you can with relic. You are damn right I am an elitist, this is the END GAME of an MMO we are talking about.

[divisortheory]

LOL the shell farms the relic currency that could be used to buy the Kraken Clubs.

I'd also like to point out that if everyone did that, there would be no market for Dynamis currency because 0 people across all servers would upgrade. As such, your foolproof plan for funding these Kraken Clubs would fail.

Care to rethink your position?

[NynJa]

LOL the shell farms the relic currency that could be used to buy the Kraken Clubs.

I'd also like to point out that if everyone did that, there would be no market for Dynamis currency because 0 people across all servers would upgrade. As such, your foolproof plan for funding these Kraken Clubs would fail.

this idiot doesnt think that far ahead...

on the same token, Kraken Clubs would also be much more expensive since everyone would be buying em.

[XxSlusherxx]

To clarify Kalia, I'm not saying Triton or Mesraq or whatever is better than gungir, but assuming you farm stones religiously, you end up using your "high damage" lance so infrequently, I'm saying, that you might as well just use Triton.

Yes, I realise you could have both, but, to me it's like if I had a Blau Doltch(sp?) for when I do peircing floors in dynamis on nin or war.

I'm happy, I'm guessing Deeds is pretty cool, since his LS let a drg upgrade, but from what I've seen (dmg and SC placement) it's a disapointment.