Gungnir @ Midgardsormr!

[Lordwafik]

You'd have to take hate to have the spikes proc.

DRG solo a lot

Every RDM here knows how awesome shock spikes are for soloing.

*continues to cast ice spikes since they're the only ones worth a shit*

[jiang]

ice spikes rape in ballista.

[Eaglestrike]

ice spikes rape in ballista.

Rdm's aren't worth meleeing in ballista...

[jiang]

black mages :]

[BRP]

You'd have to take hate to have the spikes proc.

DRG solo a lot

Every RDM here knows how awesome shock spikes are for soloing.

*continues to cast ice spikes since they're the only ones worth a shit*

What does that have to do with being attacked by a monster? ;o

[Rocl]

You'd have to take hate to have the spikes proc.

DRG solo a lot

Every RDM here knows how awesome shock spikes are for soloing.

*continues to cast ice spikes since they're the only ones worth a shit*

What does that have to do with being attacked by a monster? ;o

Unless they're fucking jesus spikes and last for three hours it's not gonna mean much

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

You'd have to take hate to have the spikes proc.

DRG solo a lot

Every RDM here knows how awesome shock spikes are for soloing.

*continues to cast ice spikes since they're the only ones worth a shit*

What does that have to do with being attacked by a monster? ;o

Unless they're fucking jesus spikes and last for three hours it's not gonna mean much

I dont believe in jesus.

And they just have to last until the drg uses the ws again.

[divisortheory]

Why can't people understand that Gungnir is the best weapon in the game, hands down?

[BRP]

You'd have to take hate to have the spikes proc.

DRG solo a lot

Every RDM here knows how awesome shock spikes are for soloing.

*continues to cast ice spikes since they're the only ones worth a shit*

What does that have to do with being attacked by a monster? ;o

Unless they're fucking jesus spikes and last for three hours it's not gonna mean much

But, the Dragoon will still be attacked, making it possible to test them, which Aurik jokingly commented was impossible for a Dragoon to test because of their lack of hate gain.

[Tonko]

Why can't people understand that Gungnir is the best weapon in the game, hands down?

Because?

*cough*Ridill*cough*

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

[Eaglestrike]

Why can't people understand that Gungnir is the best weapon in the game, hands down?

If the defense down is potent it would be very awesome for the newer HNM's lolHydra and Cerb, and worth putting them in for older HNM's too. Edit: As well as Kirin melee-burn style.

The shock spikes could be awesome for soloing if they're like a Phuabo's plasma charge...lol

[jiang]

It's kind of upsetting how little thought was put into these relic weapons when they constructed them. What on earth plagued SE to believe that an AGI modifier and add. effect shock spikes would do for dragoon?

[Falconblade]

It's kind of upsetting how little thought was put into these relic weapons when they constructed them. What on earth plagued SE to believe that an AGI modifier and add. effect shock spikes would do for dragoon?

I thought the person was joking about AGI =x. Is it really agi?

[Eaglestrike]

It's kind of upsetting how little thought was put into these relic weapons when they constructed them. What on earth plagued SE to believe that an AGI modifier and add. effect shock spikes would do for dragoon?

No idea. But the only relic ws's with good mods are Dagger (STR), Gkat (STR), Gaxe (STR, see a pattern?) and then Metsu is DEX which isn't too bad for a nin. Gsword, Scythe, lance, axe, sword, bow, gun are all trumped by either crappy mods or earlier ws's that are much stronger (Gkat, Gaxe and Metsu aren't amazing boosts from earlier ws's I don't think though)

fTP mod should be at least 4x on relic ws's, kinda sad a ws at level 55 rng has a much higher fTP mod than the best ws's in the game.

Edit: Falconblade - It's listed as AGI here http://www.freewebs.com/vzx-01/index.htm

That could be wrong but...probably isn't.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

It's kind of upsetting how little thought was put into these relic weapons when they constructed them. What on earth plagued SE to believe that an AGI modifier and add. effect shock spikes would do for dragoon?

Because its another thing to max out instead of just STR like it is for most WSes, difference can be good.

[divisortheory]

Dynamis Dagger: 61/61 Attestation X
1152/7000 Bynes

Someone just inherited a shit load of currency!

[BRP]

Honestly, can you begin to understand SE? Making "Resist" and "Killer" traits no where nearly as useful as things like Triple Attack or Attack Up traits. Or the fact they couldn't predict NIN being a tank despite giving them the ability to completely ignore damage on a short recast? Or they couldn't predict how overpowering the Dual Wield and Martial Arts trait(and items) would be? Why SMN AF has Avatar: Enmity-2? Or Hydra Mail set? Just save yourself painful experience and don't try to understand them.

[Eaglestrike]

It's kind of upsetting how little thought was put into these relic weapons when they constructed them. What on earth plagued SE to believe that an AGI modifier and add. effect shock spikes would do for dragoon?

Because its another thing to max out instead of just STR like it is for most WSes, difference can be good.

Except there isn't gear that supports mods like AGI/INT on Scythe or MND/CHR on Gsword for those jobs, whereas they can pound on STR, which also effects ws's greatly because of fSTR.

It's another example of SE going "Look, different stuff to do!" and it failing horribly.

[Tonko]

The flat out addidtional effect of things like Angon, and Acid Bolts, don't stack. They give the same status, and only the stronger one will take effect.

Arguably, Angon + Geirskogul won't stack either, but we won't know for sure untill there are some tests in Ballista.

Angon is already -20%, and that's a pretty big chunk. Not very likely that a Relic Weaponskill will surpass that amount.

But even with that, Ridill would still be a better weapon, because 2-handed weapons fail.