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  1. #101
    Ridill
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    Quote Originally Posted by aurik
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyreth
    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus
    Quote Originally Posted by ertyu
    you are stupid. While gil sellers are a big nuisance to us, the ones that do not hack don't do anything against the ToS. The mule who actually hold the gil and send it to other players is what violates the ToS. And last time they did this, everyone who was banned was using hacks and just lying... so don't pull that thf crap. If you all want to get rid of gil sellers then make everyone stop buying gil
    Gil farmers are paid in real money to farm fake money for a company that sells it at a mark up to players. Sounds like the farmers are violating the ToS to me.
    Farming gil =! breaking TOS. Gil being transferred to someone for real money = breaking TOS. So the farmers don't get banned unless they do something else- hacking, namely.

    It's like busting someone for cashing their paycheck because you think they're going to use it to buy crack.
    Farming gil != breaking ToS. However, these farmers are being paid IRL to give up their portion of the loot. They're being paid real money in return for fake money. As soon as they get compensated IRL for the loots that they helped farm, they are breaking ToS.
    Bingo!

  2. #102
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    i'm laughing hysterically about how many people actually believe "SE screwed up FFXI big time"

    do you realize how successful this game actually is?

    you can call SE all sorts of names if that's what gets you off, but when you wake up tomorrow, you are STILL PLAYING

    what else should SE give a fuck about?

  3. #103
    Corwens a slot
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    Sad part is they have 1 person continuously sell the gil, so how can you prove anyone else recieves $ payment for it ;x

  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nodachi
    Bans like these seem to bring out all the scrubs.

  5. #105
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    Like I said before, my ranger buddy has never used any type of third party programs and has never given out his password to anyone, comes on mosts days to only craft, run to an enm to run to work and do another enm a few hours later. If they're targetting people who do the above we're gonna have serious issues. One of the reasons they may have flagged his account was because he moves alot of money from the items they recieve from enms. And Thats a bullshit reason to ban or suspend an account.

  6. #106
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    Okay, I reviewed my "account information." I apologize for the misunderstanding, but it seems they gave me a grace period of free in June, charged me $7.49 in July, and then this August charged me $12.95. Seems they made use of the "We can change your rate at any time clause."

    I thought it seemed too illogical to charge Xbox users who can just as easily access it on the PC $4 less. Just my misunderstanding.

  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by *Shinzon*
    Like I said before, my ranger buddy has never used any type of third party programs and has never given out his password to anyone, comes on mosts days to only craft, run to an enm to run to work and do another enm a few hours later. If they're targetting people who do the above we're gonna have serious issues. One of the reasons they may have flagged his account was because he moves alot of money from the items they recieve from enms. And Thats a bullshit reason to ban or suspend an account.
    All people who bot, pos etc say that.

  8. #108
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    mini stop selling gil kthx

  9. #109
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    ENMs were made to catch people who pos and fleehack

  10. #110
    Ridill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minions
    Quote Originally Posted by aurik
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyreth
    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus
    Quote Originally Posted by ertyu
    you are stupid. While gil sellers are a big nuisance to us, the ones that do not hack don't do anything against the ToS. The mule who actually hold the gil and send it to other players is what violates the ToS. And last time they did this, everyone who was banned was using hacks and just lying... so don't pull that thf crap. If you all want to get rid of gil sellers then make everyone stop buying gil
    Gil farmers are paid in real money to farm fake money for a company that sells it at a mark up to players. Sounds like the farmers are violating the ToS to me.
    Farming gil =! breaking TOS. Gil being transferred to someone for real money = breaking TOS. So the farmers don't get banned unless they do something else- hacking, namely.

    It's like busting someone for cashing their paycheck because you think they're going to use it to buy crack.
    Farming gil != breaking ToS. However, these farmers are being paid IRL to give up their portion of the loot. They're being paid real money in return for fake money. As soon as they get compensated IRL for the loots that they helped farm, they are breaking ToS.
    They dont break the tos! they sell the time it took them to farm the gil, not the actual gil! loldiablo2
    Officer, I'm not a prostitute, I'm just promiscuous. They're just paying me for the time I spend with them.

    It doesn't work that way. If you pay someone for their time, and expect the items and gil they gathered during that time, you are actually purchasing the items and gil they gathered during that time. No amount of semantic wishywashery and lawyering will change that.

  11. #111
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    BAN CHINESE IPS-- PROBLEM FIXED

  12. #112
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    I do most of these ENMs with him lol, which is my point. You'd have to know the people in my shell to understand.

  13. #113
    >The Implying
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    Quote Originally Posted by senoska
    BAN CHINESE IPS-- PROBLEM FIXED
    Grats to all the competition-free American gilsellers I guess.

  14. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by *Shinzon*
    I do most of these ENMs with him lol, which is my point. You'd have to know the people in my shell to understand.
    Bet he pos-hacked his uleguerand or attohwa key item.

  15. #115
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    Quote Originally Posted by senoska
    BAN CHINESE IPS-- PROBLEM FIXED
    No, that's a bandaid solution to the problem, how about SE just bans the gilsellers ?

    Anyway on a similar note, my limbus LS always tell me just before any major update, a majority of them get extreme lag, they're mostly chinese playing from within China.


    Dear SE : I would like N.hands, but Ullikimi is a cunt due to pos hacking gilsellers, fix please.
    SE : Ok! Let's make it more exciting by having it randomly pop around the room! That way it will be luck for anyone to get it!

  16. #116
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jooeetheplatypus
    ENMs were made to catch people who pos and fleehack
    People are just stupid this way.

    For example, if you're going to POS hack in Attowha, don't fucking go from the bottom of the mountain to the top straight away. There's a section near the end of the entire mountain climbing process that comes very low to the ground.

    "Jump" up to that ledge. Climb mountain as you normally would.

  17. #117
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    Yea I got banned.

  18. #118
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    lm-11?

  19. #119
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeryhn
    Quote Originally Posted by Jooeetheplatypus
    ENMs were made to catch people who pos and fleehack
    People are just stupid this way.

    For example, if you're going to POS hack in Attowha, don't fucking go from the bottom of the mountain to the top straight away. There's a section near the end of the entire mountain climbing process that comes very low to the ground.

    "Jump" up to that ledge. Climb mountain as you normally would.
    people do much more bizzare stunts than that: pos hacking from entrance of a promy straight to the bc entrance and then pos hacking back and forth within the BC to fight it and afterwards boost about how they "solo'ed the lv30 enms"

  20. #120
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhan
    Yea I got banned.

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