The Most Important Skill for Bard

[miokomioko]

The difference between me leveling pup because I find it a fun job class to play and you flailing and CFHing on kings you claim, is I'm only wasting my own time.

Although this is purely for the sake of argument now because I still think you're full of shit.

[Viq]

Notice how he hasn't been around for the "cool" stuff his LS does.

We totally straight tanked KB, but I wasn't there. We flailed ourselves because it's fun, but I wasn't there. We CFH and kill things all the time, just not when I'm there. BUT IT'S TOTALLY KICKING RAD even though I haven't done any of it

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I didn't think it would be fun either or right, but FFXI is too much of a fucking carebear game. I thought differently before, but I have become more jaded the longer I fucked around at Kings camps. The end game is such a fucking joke that 3 Kings camps deserve to be shitted on in such a manner. Sage Sundi needs to be bound to a cardboard cutout of the 3 Kings and have FFXI players take turns shitting all over him. Limbus and Dynamis do deserve some respect since they are at least somewhat designed to go hand in hand with the whole MMO for pansies theme. Lets discourage aggression and confrontation, yet still allow for competition lol. I do and have played several MMOs with various forms of PvP (open or instanced). I have more friends in FFXI so I still play it. The HNM drama is all to blame on the claim system, it encourages competition. We all should know friendly competition doesn't last forever.

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I love it

[Seebo]

I didn't think it would be fun either or right, but FFXI is too much of a fucking carebear game. I thought differently before, but I have become more jaded the longer I fucked around at Kings camps. The end game is such a fucking joke that 3 Kings camps deserve to be shitted on in such a manner. Sage Sundi needs to be bound to a cardboard cutout of the 3 Kings and have FFXI players take turns shitting all over him. Limbus and Dynamis do deserve some respect since they are at least somewhat designed to go hand in hand with the whole MMO for pansies theme. Lets discourage aggression and confrontation, yet still allow for competition lol. I do and have played several MMOs with various forms of PvP (open or instanced). I have more friends in FFXI so I still play it. The HNM drama is all to blame on the claim system, it encourages competition. We all should know friendly competition doesn't last forever.

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I love it

Me too, Kuno wins this thread

[Eternus]

I already have played WoW and that game has its problems as well, its not perfect lol. I like FFXI more and am fascinated more by it in different ways. You totally missed my point, but too many of you have very little in the way of reading comprehension. You think I am comparing FFXI just to WoW, when FFXI has done plenty of the same shit with Bahamut v2 and Ouryu as far as Kings could go. Regarding relic weapons I just want them to be better overall weapons and not just DD toys like some of them are (should be better than just that). Relic weapons should be unquestionably the best item to put in the weapon slot for every job in the game. That isn't comparing MMOs, that is just saying the top shit should really be the top shit (cough lolstaff should at least replace all HQ staves) or it should partially reverse some of the nerfs done to certain jobs. Hell they could do some more job balancing too. I like pretty much the rest of FFXI. That is a shitload of stuff which is more than enough reason to play. I would like to see them fix those parts more than the others.

Whether I have faith or not that they will fix those things is another thing, but even that won't make me quit lmao. The other stuff is enough for me to keep playing. Almost all MMOs have the same types of problems to differing degrees, I just want FFXI to better. SE needs to have their hand forced in some way, they just like all developers need a damn good reason to get off their ass and make fundamental changes. FFXI still will remain my favorite regardless, just I would be stupid to not to want them to fix it.

Your definition of forcing their hand is different than mine, bitching on forums only goes so far and people abandoning the game isn't the answer either. See all the MPK at Kings almost made them do something really substantial to fix it (Ouryu type deal), they did something less dramatic with the claim patch. That went further with the training nerf... People found other ways to MPK at Kings and the issue still exists in the minds of SE. Otherwise they would rather ignore the way the timesink is, they seem to not do anything permanent about botters (not that they can do jack shit imo, but no MMO with players on PC really can). All they can do is make it so there is no reason to bot or MPK for the Kings (nobody bots or MPKs at ENMs, Ouryu or Bahamutv2). You need bad things to happen for somebody to be willing to do something to fix it. Shitting all over it makes them have to do something to keep it from being shit on, etc.

If you like the 3 Kings the way they are, then fine lol. Making drama threads about botters and MPK at kings really doesn't fix anything without contacting SE more themselves. A good portion of this board does nothing but bitch and wait for someone else to do your thinking for you. I will credit you guys with some witty comebacks and internet insults via one liners. That isn't content at all, sadly. Is it wrong to think people should try to think up somewhat realistic ideas about what SE could and should do to fix the game? I criticized BRP's idea but he was making contructive criticism towards SE and giving them some sort of idea. I take it back mostly. Bercus tried his best to do a good interview as well, but alot of people bashed him. At least they tried something. Its like bitching about Bush and not giving better ideas on how to get out of Iraq correctly given the current situation, now that the problem happened you still have to do something about it even though it sucks. Too late to go back in time. Damn I type too much lmao. Time for bed.

[Daahan]

please stop

[Eternus]

please stop

Ok since you asked politely and said please instead of using insults I will.

[Illverin]

so how bout those brd merits?

[Seebo]

so how bout those brd merits?

Based on the posts that have come out of him, no amount of merits in the right places will save whoever he has to BRD for -.-

[Eternus]

so how bout those brd merits?

Based on the posts that have come out of him, no amount of merits in the right places will save whoever he has to BRD for -.-

lol you overestimate the difficulty of BRD and assume he is just asking me, yeah at least he was trying to put the thread back on the rails.

-enmity does it justify not doing ballad I on WHMs, will it be affected by the +2 to all songs on relic horn

+enmity does it justify not doing ballad I on PLD or advancing march on blink tanks, will it be affected by the +2 to all songs on relic horn

-song casting/recast ja... would be good maybe for xp, but most likely on HNM would make me pull more hate than I already do. Maybe for a BRD/NIN Mazurka tank to get lots of hate really fast by spamming songs.

+song duration job ability... maybe use right before you use the last song rotation before your soul voice runs out, or you could use it on a party you are about to leave in a HNM alliance when you get shifted to another. Would the song duration thing make the potency of etudes wear down slower? Well since etudes get weaker over time.

Do 2 lullaby recast, 4 minuet and 4 madrigal merits. What would melee do for an extra 4 attack or accuracy? That helps, but costs alot of merits total. BRD is effective enough without merits anyway.

[Septimus]

I just wish Square would create some "make people stand where they are supposed to" merits. My Bard's only 39, but I still want to take someone's head off because of it. >_>

[Eternus]

I just wish Square would create some "make people stand where they are supposed to" merits. My Bard's only 39, but I still want to take someone's head off because of it. >_>

Yeah or make more faster casting songs that are targetted so you can do your ballads on one person at a time like a RDM lol. Hell you could do all BRD buffs like etudes/preludes. That would suck ass in a way, but would be better for kited fights. My perma had a PLD from 32 to 60 and he caught on really fast how to position for ballads and we had a THF as well who was really good as far as when he stood behind the tank and not getting hit with ballad. They spoiled me really. Doing that later on was less fun, but I did fine. Getting PLDs to angle themselves so I can hit them and the mages with ballads at the same time and keep the mages out of breath/cone type attack area directly behind the PLD was fun.

[Seebo]

so how bout those brd merits?

Based on the posts that have come out of him, no amount of merits in the right places will save whoever he has to BRD for -.-

lol you overestimate the difficulty of BRD and assume he is just asking me, yeah at least he was trying to put the thread back on the rails.

-enmity does it justify not doing ballad I on WHMs, will it be affected by the +2 to all songs on relic horn

+enmity does it justify not doing ballad I on PLD or advancing march on blink tanks, will it be affected by the +2 to all songs on relic horn

-song casting/recast ja... would be good maybe for xp, but most likely on HNM would make me pull more hate than I already do. Maybe for a BRD/NIN Mazurka tank to get lots of hate really fast by spamming songs.

+song duration job ability... maybe use right before you use the last song rotation before your soul voice runs out, or you could use it on a party you are about to leave in a HNM alliance when you get shifted to another. Would the song duration thing make the potency of etudes wear down slower? Well since etudes get weaker over time.

Do 2 lullaby recast, 4 minuet and 4 madrigal merits. What would melee do for an extra 4 attack or accuracy? That helps, but costs alot of merits total. BRD is effective enough without merits anyway.

Do you mind explaining to me, without killing my brain cells, why meriting Madrigal is of importance to a BRD? JSMs don't work til after you're 75, and there is not one time in the game at 75 that you use Madrigal for any reason. I don't even have my madrigal instrument anymore. Ballad, March, Mambo, Minne, Minuet, Etude, Carol, Lullaby, Finale, Elegy, Threnody...HAY NO MADRIGAL!

Then again not everyone plays the same way, so if you do use Madrigal, explain why?

[NynJa]

to straight tank KB and flail their own nidhogg obviously....

[Navia]

I just wish Square would create some "make people stand where they are supposed to" merits. My Bard's only 39, but I still want to take someone's head off because of it. >_>

You're allowed to bitch at people and tell them where to stand and they might listen cause you're the BRD! ;3
I was leveling rng the other day and bitched out the sam for the brd because he was tp'ing on the same side as the pld and in the ballad radius canceling out his minuet

COR is my next job to level and i'm already cringing at people standing in the wrong place jacking up what rolls people get.

[Awoir]

so how bout those brd merits?

Based on the posts that have come out of him, no amount of merits in the right places will save whoever he has to BRD for -.-

lol you overestimate the difficulty of BRD and assume he is just asking me, yeah at least he was trying to put the thread back on the rails.

-enmity does it justify not doing ballad I on WHMs, will it be affected by the +2 to all songs on relic horn

+enmity does it justify not doing ballad I on PLD or advancing march on blink tanks, will it be affected by the +2 to all songs on relic horn

-song casting/recast ja... would be good maybe for xp, but most likely on HNM would make me pull more hate than I already do. Maybe for a BRD/NIN Mazurka tank to get lots of hate really fast by spamming songs.

+song duration job ability... maybe use right before you use the last song rotation before your soul voice runs out, or you could use it on a party you are about to leave in a HNM alliance when you get shifted to another. Would the song duration thing make the potency of etudes wear down slower? Well since etudes get weaker over time.

Do 2 lullaby recast, 4 minuet and 4 madrigal merits. What would melee do for an extra 4 attack or accuracy? That helps, but costs alot of merits total. BRD is effective enough without merits anyway.

Do you mind explaining to me, without killing my brain cells, why meriting Madrigal is of importance to a BRD? JSMs don't work til after you're 75, and there is not one time in the game at 75 that you use Madrigal for any reason. I don't even have my madrigal instrument anymore. Ballad, March, Mambo, Minne, Minuet, Etude, Carol, Lullaby, Finale, Elegy, Threnody...HAY NO MADRIGAL!

Then again not everyone plays the same way, so if you do use Madrigal, explain why?

When melees eat (superior) meat in Thickets, on NIN and THF Mamool.

[Sui]

When melees eat (superior) meat in Thickets, on NIN and THF Mamool.

Do they even have THF mamool ja in the thickets any more? I thought the update that swapped around their jobs removed them, so there are just BLMs, NINs, BSTs, DRGs and BLUs now.

[Clynt]

When melees eat (superior) meat in Thickets, on NIN and THF Mamool.

Do they even have THF mamool ja in the thickets any more? I thought the update that swapped around their jobs removed them, so there are just BLMs, NINs, BSTs, DRGs and BLUs now.

At the north camp by the zone to Jade Spulcher.

[DoliantheBard]

I know alot of people said it, but I'll recap some things.

I capped 8 Wind. Whoever said Elegy is ridiculously easy to land has clearly never played BRD on some of the higher level HNMs. Sometimes resists are a bitch, and that wind boost helps you land it. I use Mary's Horn and Piccolo +1 for Lullaby/Threnody too, cause of my massive wind skill. The only real thing I use string for is Finale (Military Harp). Singing like stated before basically caps out by the time you're 75, so have fun wasting merits in another 1-2 attack rather than increasing the land rate of elegy.

Assuming BRD is your main and the job you play for your LS always, go 5 CHR, 8 Wind, 5 Minuet (lolmeripos), 5 Lullaby recast...then idk about the newer songs, but it seems that the enmity ones are pointless being that my tanks would be much better off with ballad and march than missing one of them for a bit of enmity, and mages would want double ballad. Trobodour (sp?) is good after Soul Voice, it makes it last longer. I guess Nightinggale is good for elegy spam if you're getting a few nasty resists and absolutely need it on.

Just dont merit string for God sakes.

This thread should have ended on page 4. This is the answer.

[Tdizzle]

When melees eat (superior) meat in Thickets, on NIN and THF Mamool.

Do they even have THF mamool ja in the thickets any more? I thought the update that swapped around their jobs removed them, so there are just BLMs, NINs, BSTs, DRGs and BLUs now.

At the north camp by the zone to Jade Spulcher.

And this is why they made Feint of course.