DORP!

[Quixotic]

No argument there

[Stellar]

I'm not trying to be difficult and I gear my character for maximum enmity, but playing devils advocate a bit. Perhaps their damage strategy is smn's or something. If +16 enmity holds hate, I don't understand what the problem is with choosing other gears for those slots. We also have no idea what he macroes. Perhaps he was full enmity and opted for an HP setup to make fulmination more survivable. I just don't see the point in talking down on him..

[Therin]

http://students.washington.edu/~lngu...1-khimaira.jpg

Yeah, I was talking about his PLD/NIN gear.

Best sword in the game and he's using a Cassie, K. Hands, Adaman legs, NQ Body and Feet AF1, a Bomb Queen Ring, and a fucking Gigant Mantle. I'm also assuming that's an Ethereal Earring because I can't bear the thought that it might be something else.

That leaves his shield, head, first ring and belt which are actually decent.

Sorry for flaming people for gear, I guess I'm just emo that Fairy is 2/27 on it.

[ninjafox]

Waaay off topic, but i just realized drk can equip that sword... anybody else see something wrong with that?

[Marcin]

Ryko i'm curious about how much enmity/haste your pld build gives you.

Right now i'm with +25 Enmity (I use Machuahutl +1, but have been using Hauteclaire lately.) and 14.5% haste going by that Loq's Fast Cast is 1% haste and Homam legs Fast cast is 1.5% for 5.5% Haste off two pieces. I also -sometimes- use High Breath Mantle, and use Trance belt when I don't have Speed.

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7919/pldmarcdi2.jpg

We always have double March going in the tank pt, also.

[Ryko]

You don't wanna ask me, I'm as walmart as they come in terms of PLD gear. It leans in favor of enmity over haste assuming I have a full group there, when stalling I throw haste in. Best I have on in terms of haste on /nin atm is 9% with +34 enmity on. I could up that to 13% with 2 pieces of homam without losing any enmity in the tradeoff but tbh I'm not holding my breath on those.

[Stellar]

I have a problem with ear slots, because I have magnetic and can't afford hades +1 atm, so for pld/nin I don't really know what else to use besides cassie and buckler.. I have loquacious, but never used it for pld. Lemme see what my avg pld/nin build would have.. I could probably use constructive criticizm, since i'm new to the job...

Macahuitl +1
Koenig Shield
Lamian Kaman
Walahra Turban
Harmonia's Torque
Cassie / Buckler
Af1 NQ body ._.
Homam Hands
Hercules' / (BQ / Mermaid / Jelly)
Cerberus mantle +1
Warwolf / speed belt
Homam legs
HQ af1 feet

Comes out to.. +25 enmity assuming i'm not using mermaid with 17% haste..

[Kazen]

http://students.washington.edu/~lngu...1-khimaira.jpg

Yeah, I was talking about his PLD/NIN gear.

Best sword in the game and he's using a Cassie, K. Hands, Adaman legs, NQ Body and Feet AF1, a Bomb Queen Ring, and a fucking Gigant Mantle. I'm also assuming that's an Ethereal Earring because I can't bear the thought that it might be something else.

That leaves his shield, head, first ring and belt which are actually decent.

Sorry for flaming people for gear, I guess I'm just emo that Fairy is 2/27 on it.

And a Gigant mantle is bad how...? If you have plenty of emnity you dont really need the enchantment mantle. (This is not counting Valor Cape which is a bitch of a drop)

[Minions]

http://students.washington.edu/~lngu...1-khimaira.jpg

Yeah, I was talking about his PLD/NIN gear.

Best sword in the game and he's using a Cassie, K. Hands, Adaman legs, NQ Body and Feet AF1, a Bomb Queen Ring, and a fucking Gigant Mantle. I'm also assuming that's an Ethereal Earring because I can't bear the thought that it might be something else.

That leaves his shield, head, first ring and belt which are actually decent.

Sorry for flaming people for gear, I guess I'm just emo that Fairy is 2/27 on it.

And a Gigant mantle is bad how...? If you have plenty of emnity you dont really need the enchantment mantle. (This is not counting Valor Cape which is a bitch of a drop)

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/8049
High Breath Mantle.... 38MP and 5 Enmity. If you really need the 42 more HP on a mantle, get some better whms.

[Kazen]

My point is, its annoying to use a enchantment item (which locks you up for 10 seconds upon reuse) when 5 emnity usually isnt that big of a deal if you know how to play pld.

[Marcin]

And a Gigant mantle is bad how...? If you have plenty of emnity you dont really need the enchantment mantle. (This is not counting Valor Cape which is a bitch of a drop)

I don't think it is. Shadow Mantle annuls Physical Damage and that uh, isn't really necessary with /nin sub. Valor Cape like you mentioned is a bitch of a drop, so the only other I see really is High Breath, which I have, but almost never use.

@Stellar, personally I never used Walhara Turban on pld, never had the need to. I used Aegishjalmr til I got my Bahamut's Mask. As for the Cerberus Mantle, idunno, I never use one on my Pld.

[Kazen]

And a Gigant mantle is bad how...? If you have plenty of emnity you dont really need the enchantment mantle. (This is not counting Valor Cape which is a bitch of a drop)

I don't think it is. Shadow Mantle annuls Physical Damage and that uh, isn't really necessary with /nin sub. Valor Cape like you mentioned is a bitch of a drop, so the only other I see really is High Breath, which I have, but almost never use.

@Stellar, personally I never used Walhara Turban on pld, never had the need to. I used Aegishjalmr til I got my Bahamut's Mask. As for the Cerberus Mantle, idunno, I never use one on my Pld.

Yeah i use a Gigant on my pld

[sephir]

Gigant when im /war
High Breath when im /nin

Also if for some odd reason I die and High Breath is not up then I use gigant. But to date only died once when Subbing nin and that was because my Healer/haster fell asleep at Ultima. I know ive been lucky with CB so far.

[Isildur]

My point is, its annoying to use a enchantment item (which locks you up for 10 seconds upon reuse) when 5 emnity usually isnt that big of a deal if you know how to play pld.

The basic principle of PLD/NIN is stacking Haste and Enmity, HP and DEF are secondary to those. When you can have +38HP and +5 Enmity in 1 slot, you can use something like Hauteclaire/Aegis/Mbody/etc with defensive stats instead of using +Enm on that slot. And imo, +5 Enmity on a back slot is a pretty big deal. I use High Breath Mantle for everything except for when i need to swap gear setups in fights like Bahamut/Ultima, then i just roll with a Cerberus Mantle since its almost the same thing.

Almost everything in the game can be tanked on PLD/NIN with 1500-1600 HP on, which isnt too hard to obtain for anyone except Tarus. The hard thing about PLD/NIN is obtaining enough +Enm/+Haste to hold hate well, you dont have access to "Cure IV spam" like PLD/WAR because you arent getting hit very often. I think my current Enmity/Haste setup is +25/+12% with +4 Enmity in merits....Gigant Mantle would drop me 5 enmity, and that would suck. Still have no homam legs/feet or loq earring though

But basically, if you need to boost your max HP high for any reason on PLD/NIN, you're doing it wrong.

[Marcin]

My point is, its annoying to use a enchantment item (which locks you up for 10 seconds upon reuse) when 5 emnity usually isnt that big of a deal if you know how to play pld.

The basic principle of PLD/NIN is stacking Haste and Enmity, HP and DEF are secondary to those. When you can have +38HP and +5 Enmity in 1 slot, you can use something like Hauteclaire/Aegis/Mbody/etc with defensive stats instead of using +Enm on that slot. And imo, +5 Enmity on a back slot is a pretty big deal. I use High Breath Mantle for everything except for when i need to swap gear setups in fights like Bahamut/Ultima, then i just roll with a Cerberus Mantle since its almost the same thing.

Almost everything in the game can be tanked on PLD/NIN with 1500-1600 HP on, which isnt too hard to obtain for anyone except Tarus. The hard thing about PLD/NIN is obtaining enough +Enm/+Haste to hold hate well, you dont have access to "Cure IV spam" like PLD/WAR because you arent getting hit very often. I think my current Enmity/Haste setup is +25/+12% with +4 Enmity in merits....Gigant Mantle would drop me 5 enmity, and that would suck. Still have no homam legs/feet or loq earring though

But basically, if you need to boost your max HP high for any reason on PLD/NIN, you're doing it wrong.

+25 Enmity and Haste 14.5%, I'm fine. Granted though, my Koenig Cuirass is collecting dust. I never tank in it

[baroom]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...m/img_0085.jpg

This was our first faf lead by slautman of odin.

[Kiro]

Ridill on your first kill. Grats.

[Aeromyth]

This was our first faf lead by slautman of odin.

OR

http://students.washington.edu/~lngu...1-khimaira.jpg

Which is worse? someone make a poll.

[Blackice]

I don't see getting a Ridill on your first kill as a bad thing. I think it's damn lucky, but not a bad thing. Congrats on your Ridill As for that PLD... I'm walking away from this one, there's just too much wrong with it.

[geno]

we got a ridill on our first faf kill too :D Oct 14 2004 i think... Flailed on the same fafnir > Hp'd > came back and reclaimed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../ffxi00281.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../ffxi00282.jpg