Fapworthy WS, SC, or MB dmg.

[Lordwafik]

i think she posted it on her LJ that it didnt do much more than a Kclub's true strike, which indicates it's hitting a cap.

[RKenshin]

Yep, as Wafik said... Keichan did a lot of testing with it on her LJ and it did almost exactly the same damage as Kraken Club did, definitely hitting a cap.

Difference was so miniscule she's letting me use it over Horrent for the lower delay because she'd rather use Kraken for the faster TP gain.

[aurik]

I'm not surprised. 50% str mod, plus full-ish heca and stuff should bring you to some ludicrous base strength...say 150ish Your base damage during the WS is going to be 75ish + wdmg. So your base with Raph is 115, versus 86 with kraken...relatively a much smaller difference than the 400% increase on the weapon text.

Seriously, though, 700-800 average (non-DA) seems quite high. Even with capped pDIF at 3.0, 115 * 3 = 345, plus an offhand 115*3.0 = 690... and that's the optimal case. Looks like there are some mechanics at work that we don't understand.

[RKenshin]

Actually keep in mind when I say average I'm referring to the actual parse numbers, which count the double attacks that make it hit for 800-1.3k. I'm usually eating sushi as well, so it's safe to say I'm landing a DA WS more often than a partially missed one at about +20% DA.

Without any DAs or misses I'm pretty sure the average is about right where you said, in the 600-700 range.

[aurik]

Damn you for using mathematically precise terms correctly!

[RKenshin]

Damn youfor reminding me to update my LJ!

EDIT: Just got a 1 TP return True Strike in Dynamis-Xarcabard... lol

It did 312 damage, so seems to match up exactly with what you said.

[Ixidor]

Not the greatest numbers, but i still need some gear
68+62 STR with Balin's no food

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/ixidorDRK/1675.jpg
drk/thf Algol (1hit using sushi) Balin's capped out at 1404 and the algol at under 1500 with a hedge pie, died used sushi and hit 1675 with only a13 TP return... weird
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/ixidorDRK/1350.jpg drk/thf balin
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/ixidorDRK/2230.jpg drk/thf death scythe
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/ixidorDRK/2134.jpg
drk/war think double attack proc'd twice
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/ixidorDRK/1999.png drk/sam death scythe
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70.../selsdist1.png
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70.../selfdist2.png
BLU/nin FTW!

[Lordwafik]

I'm not surprised. 50% str mod, plus full-ish heca and stuff should bring you to some ludicrous base strength...say 150ish Your base damage during the WS is going to be 75ish + wdmg. So your base with Raph is 115, versus 86 with kraken...relatively a much smaller difference than the 400% increase on the weapon text.

Seriously, though, 700-800 average (non-DA) seems quite high. Even with capped pDIF at 3.0, 115 * 3 = 345, plus an offhand 115*3.0 = 690... and that's the optimal case. Looks like there are some mechanics at work that we don't understand.

Is it possible that like sidewinder/full swing @ 300%, it's higher than 3.0 ?

[Kaelan]

1000 damage seems pretty low if it was a 5.0 though

I'm not surprised. 50% str mod, plus full-ish heca and stuff should bring you to some ludicrous base strength...say 150ish Your base damage during the WS is going to be 75ish + wdmg. So your base with Raph is 115, versus 86 with kraken...relatively a much smaller difference than the 400% increase on the weapon text.

Seriously, though, 700-800 average (non-DA) seems quite high. Even with capped pDIF at 3.0, 115 * 3 = 345, plus an offhand 115*3.0 = 690... and that's the optimal case. Looks like there are some mechanics at work that we don't understand.

You sure you didn't forget to factor in the fSTR too?

(40+12+75)*3 for 2 hits would be 762, which is a little closer to that average (although it still doesn't explain an 800-1000 in any way other than "DA happened". Getting that close to the cap on a regular basis also seems kind of odd)

[Jg]

Damn youfor reminding me to update my LJ!

EDIT: Just got a 1 TP return True Strike in Dynamis-Xarcabard... lol

It did 312 damage, so seems to match up exactly with what you said.

I got the same results in xarca last night. I didn't have a bard and used Horrent, and my results were 1tp return = 321 dmg, 13tp = ~400-550, and 14tp = 650-700.

[aurik]

You sure you didn't forget to factor in the fSTR too?

Nope

(40+12+75)*3 for 2 hits would be 762, which is a little closer to that average (although it still doesn't explain an 800-1000 in any way other than "DA happened". Getting that close to the cap on a regular basis also seems kind of odd)

You're forgetting wsc=0.83 on the 50% str.

[RKenshin]

Went through a few of the screens so far from 2 exp sessions and a limbus run, all of these SAM/WAR with no SV or anything other than normal buffs + 2xminuet.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7833/img0588nq1.jpg

I'm guessing the 1828 must've had the second hit critical or something?

This weapon is so broken...

[Mashu]

This weapon is so broken...

So is your LJ D:

I keep hitting F5... and I'm not seeing an update.

I love you Rukenshin in the straightest way possible.

[RKenshin]

Got a lot of screens out of the way today actually!

I suppose the above is kind of a preview.

[Georgetp]

Old SS from back in May, got lucky on some DAs before warriors charge and resulted in that. Only real good SS of damage I have.. I play PLD 99% of the time, one of the 2 cerbs I've actually been allowed WAR

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8...0095xg4.th.jpg

Edit: too small.. heres a link http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0095xg4.jpg

[chiz]

I'm not surprised. 50% str mod, plus full-ish heca and stuff should bring you to some ludicrous base strength...say 150ish Your base damage during the WS is going to be 75ish + wdmg. So your base with Raph is 115, versus 86 with kraken...relatively a much smaller difference than the 400% increase on the weapon text.

Seriously, though, 700-800 average (non-DA) seems quite high. Even with capped pDIF at 3.0, 115 * 3 = 345, plus an offhand 115*3.0 = 690... and that's the optimal case. Looks like there are some mechanics at work that we don't understand.

Is it possible that like sidewinder/full swing @ 300%, it's higher than 3.0 ?

Not sure what the story is with full swing, but ranged attack criticals are a bit different. pDIF caps at 3.0 instead of 2.4 and a critical on ranged/ranged WS gets another 1.25x pDIF for a maximum of 3.75.

I think the most likely situation with True Strike (and Full Swing, if its also a critical strike WS) is what Aurik said, a +1.0 bonus to pDIF that can stack with the +1.0 pDIF from critical (SA or critical) that can exceed any cRatio level penalty to hit 3.0 pDIF cap.

Warrior is really the ideal job to test damage cap with since its really the only job that can get attack high enough (with songs) to really cap the WS on high level mobs and also force a double attack or critical on all strikes with Mighty Strikes.

[Kurp]

Went through a few of the screens so far from 2 exp sessions and a limbus run, all of these SAM/WAR with no SV or anything other than normal buffs + 2xminuet.

I'm guessing the 1828 must've had the second hit critical or something?

This weapon is so broken...

How is that broken really? That's how it -should- be... for every relic.

[Dbill]

RKenshin wrote:
Went through a few of the screens so far from 2 exp sessions and a limbus run, all of these SAM/WAR with no SV or anything other than normal buffs + 2xminuet.

I'm guessing the 1828 must've had the second hit critical or something?

This weapon is so broken...


How is that broken really? That's how it -should- be... for every relic.

I think he is still amazed at how powerful this weapon really is. Not broken.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

...maybe I WILL skill up club before I get kclub That true strike is pretty rediculous and I see no reason DRK can't do it well.

[Dbill]

...maybe I WILL skill up club before I get kclub That true strike is pretty rediculous and I see no reason DRK can't do it well.

Drag out the good old warp clubs and sub ninja and go beat up some crabs. Just don't warp while your fighting.